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Post by VBCOACH on Nov 6, 2006 23:23:49 GMT -5
With all of the American specialization, who's gonna coach? I mean, how's a liebero gonna coach even a high school team? She's never hit, blocked or ever played any front row position in her life.
How's a middle or leftside gonna coach, never having passed, played defense or played any back row position?
If the Head Coach is a specialist, (i.e., not a six position player in her playing days) how many assistant coaches will she need? Let's see, a coach for: the setters, the outsides, the middles and a passing/defense coach. That's a minimum of 4 coaches, none of which could have played the same position in her playing days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2006 23:36:58 GMT -5
Right. Because NO ONE plays all the way around. EVERYONE is a specialist.
It's like those baseball coaches who played all 9 positions, or the football coaches who played all 22 -- and kicked. Or the basketball coaches who played all 5... shall I go on?
Gawd, this argument is boring.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 7, 2006 0:03:35 GMT -5
With all of the American specialization, who's gonna coach? I mean, how's a liebero gonna coach even a high school team? She's never hit, blocked or ever played any front row position in her life. I know someone who was a football coach at the high school where he taught PE and (I think) biology. He got tired of that and took over as girls' VB coach and learned on the job. He's been a volunteer coach at the college level for years as well as an assistant on a US national team. A lot of coaches I know of have never played at the college level.
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Post by VBCOACH on Nov 7, 2006 0:10:08 GMT -5
Right. Because NO ONE plays all the way around. EVERYONE is a specialist. It's like those baseball coaches who played all 9 positions, or the football coaches who played all 22 -- and kicked. Or the basketball coaches who played all 5... shall I go on? Gawd, this argument is boring. Let's see, football has: Quarterback Coaches, Offensive Line Coaches, Receiver Coaches, Running Back Coaches, Defensive Line Coaches, Linebacker Coaches, Kicking Coaches, and Defensive Back Coaches. Baseball has: Pitching Coaches, Hitting Coaches, among other specialist Coaches available. Baseball is a poor example for you to bring up. Fielding a ground ball at any of the 4 infield positions does not require a separate coach for each position. Same for outfielders catching fly balls. In volleyball, each position is different. A setter, who has never played middle blocker, would have a hard time coaching middles. Same for other positions all across the board. (Middles can't coach Liberos; Outsides can't coach setters.)
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Post by lilred on Nov 7, 2006 0:11:30 GMT -5
Mike Leach never played college football and I am not sure if he played high school football. He coaches Texas Tech by the way. He actually has a law degree.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 7, 2006 0:12:02 GMT -5
This is to say that you cannot teach what you haven't done yourself .... ummmm, that doesn't sound right.
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Post by simplycurious on Nov 7, 2006 0:13:11 GMT -5
A lot of coaches I know of have never played at the college level. Well, one person who immediately comes to mind every time people like BearClause mention coaches who never played volleyball before they started coaching is John Dunning (he was a high school math teacher). Oh BearClause, sorry to mention Stanford with the sting of your recent loss to them still fresh!
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Post by VBCOACH on Nov 7, 2006 0:15:35 GMT -5
I know someone who was a football coach at the high school where he taught PE and (I think) biology. He got tired of that and took over as girls' VB coach and learned on the job. He's been a volunteer coach at the college level for years as well as an assistant on a US national team. A lot of coaches I know of have never played at the college level. There are always exceptions. I know a guy who's a volleyball coach. He's also a Doctor. And a computer programmer. And a handyman. And good at all of these things.
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Post by VBCOACH on Nov 7, 2006 0:18:23 GMT -5
This is to say that you cannot teach what you haven't done yourself .... ummmm, that doesn't sound right. As a general rule, yes. That's why Debbie Green doesn't coach middles. Someone on this board once observed that former Northwestern setter Drew Robertson never developed to her potiential because Northwestern didn't have a setting coach during her tenure as a player.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 7, 2006 0:52:23 GMT -5
Most NCAA D1 teams already have 4-5 assistants.
Up to 3 paid assistants, a volunteer assistant, and an student assistant along with the head coach.
If they can't cover all the necessary skills with up to 6 coaches then there is a problem larger than having specialized players.
Just because the various assistant coaches aren't named by position / skill doesn't mean they don't have the skills to train players in one (or more) skill area of volleyball.
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Post by LowVBIQ on Nov 7, 2006 1:03:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't all 3 'main' coaches at Hawaii former setters? They seem to do pretty well training the girls.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 7, 2006 1:10:33 GMT -5
Most NCAA D1 teams already have 4-5 assistants. Up to 3 paid assistants, a volunteer assistant, and an student assistant along with the head coach. Three head/assistant coaches, one volunteer assistant coach, and any number of student assistant coaches. I've gone over this before. Any other position that doesn't fit into those can't be considered a "coaching" position (like a manager). A student assistant coach (these days) is required to be an injured player who can't continue playing, and within the "five year eligibility" window.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 7, 2006 3:31:54 GMT -5
I know someone who was a football coach at the high school where he taught PE and (I think) biology. He got tired of that and took over as girls' VB coach and learned on the job. He's been a volunteer coach at the college level for years as well as an assistant on a US national team. A lot of coaches I know of have never played at the college level. There are always exceptions. I know a guy who's a volleyball coach. He's also a Doctor. And a computer programmer. And a handyman. And good at all of these things. well there ya go... in part you just answered your own question. as with any job, if you're lacking in something (a skill or knowledge), then you simply go out and learn it. let's not forget that few college players are gonna get a head coaching job right off the bat. (perhaps at a lower level, but certainly not at the college level). instead, they start out as that grad assistant or volunteer assistant... and slowly work their way up the chain. in the meantine they're learning how to coach from the head coach who hired them. in any case, even if you've specialized in a position... even a libero (who grew up playing the sport) will know enough about it to teach many, if not all, aspects of it. in the end the measure of the coach will not necessarily be how he was as a player (all the exceptions mentioned thus far in this thread prove that)... rather, it's his/her ability to teach the game. you can't measure that ability just by looking at the position the person played in college....
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Post by itsallrelative on Nov 7, 2006 13:58:00 GMT -5
And I think sometimes, the skills that are easiest to coach, are the ones that come toughest to you. Because that's what you've worked on.
That which comes naturally to you--you just instinctively do, and hence have a tough time coaching. For example, I feel I coach passing and setting best, even though those were my weakest skill playing. I have a tough time teaching a hitter to "see" the holes both in blocks and in defense, because that came more naturally.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 7, 2006 14:04:34 GMT -5
This is to say that you cannot teach what you haven't done yourself .... ummmm, that doesn't sound right. As a general rule, yes. That's why Debbie Green doesn't coach middles. Someone on this board once observed that former Northwestern setter Drew Robertson never developed to her potiential because Northwestern didn't have a setting coach during her tenure as a player. Did Debbie ever want to coach anyone other than a setter? Shoji was a setter in college, but he certainly coaches more than just the setter. In fact, he has an entire coaching staff of former setters. Clearly, these coaches are coaching more than just the setter. As for Robertson not developing to her potential, you are probably correct in assessing the problem as her not having a setting coach during her tenure. You seem to place the emphasis on the skills that the coach performed beforehand (ie a former setter coaches the setter), I place the emphasis on the one-on-one contact and more individualized attention that Robertson would've received had she the benefit of a setting coach. She would've been aided by ANY coach ... regardless of the coach's setting experience, because of the individual attention. A good coach can coach anyone on any skill. For crying out loud, Richard and Oracene Williams coached their daughters Venus and Serena to the highest echelon of a sport that they had never ever played before.
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