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Post by saywho on Nov 25, 2006 1:38:58 GMT -5
Nana Meriweather is not a good defensive player. She is more offensive....and we all know that. The PAC-10 Player of the Year will definitely go to Morrison. Now personally...I would rather see it go to a setter like Thompson or Spicer. I was very disapointed in how courtney played aginst stanford tonight. Kehoe stole her thunder in every catagory, and when they played UCLA Spicer was the better setter too. So is CT is great as everyone makes her out to be? I personally don't think so. I think she is a good setter. And I think she has the most determination and a great winning mentality...but I think there are better setters out there talent wise.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 1:55:43 GMT -5
I was very disapointed in how courtney played aginst stanford tonight. Kehoe stole her thunder in every catagory, and when they played UCLA Spicer was the better setter too. So is CT is great as everyone makes her out to be? I personally don't think so. I think she is a good setter. And I think she has the most determination and a great winning mentality...but I think there are better setters out there talent wise. Everyone can have a bad match in a four year career. All of her accomplishments over the last four years can't be written off because of losses to Top 5 teams, especially if passing went south.
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Post by w2l on Nov 25, 2006 2:02:00 GMT -5
What I meant was, Meriweather is not a complete player. I have never seen her dig a ball in her life. Okay, so she can hit and she can block. But is she she a good passer? Is she a good backrow player? And don't tell me that's a liberos job. That's why POYs always goes to an OH majority of the time.
There have been a few midle blockers that have been phenomenal in all parts of their game, and they have been conference players of the year and even national players of the year. (Lauren Cacciamani, Angelica Ljungquist and Danielle Scott)
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 2:05:37 GMT -5
What I meant was, Meriweather is not a complete player. I have never seen her dig a ball in her life. Okay, so she can hit and she can block. But is she she a good passer? Is she a good backrow player? And don't tell me that's a liberos job. That's why POYs always goes to an OH. Always? uh-uh. Is it her job to pass and dig or to block and make herself available to terminate? Usually I would agree with you that the POY should be an all-around player, but Nana's effectiveness on offense and defense is hard to ignore considering the opposition that she faced this year. In most matches, she has terminated at will ...even with all of the great Pac-10 blockers in her face.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Nov 25, 2006 2:05:40 GMT -5
I think Meriwether will get the POY, but Thompson is right after her with Barboza and Morrison a close third.
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Post by hoosierman on Nov 25, 2006 2:08:19 GMT -5
Meriwether should get Pac-10 POY. Though both Barboza and Morrison have been steady leaders to their respective teams, I don't think Nana's performance should be ignored.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Nov 25, 2006 2:10:44 GMT -5
By the way, Barboza is not overrated.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 25, 2006 2:14:48 GMT -5
What I meant was, Meriweather is not a complete player. I have never seen her dig a ball in her life. Okay, so she can hit and she can block. But is she she a good passer? Is she a good backrow player? And don't tell me that's a liberos job. That's why POYs always goes to an OH majority of the time. There have been a few midle blockers that have been phenomenal in all parts of their game, and they have been conference players of the year and even national players of the year. (Lauren Cacciamani, Angelica Ljungquist and Danielle Scott) while that is true, the game has changed so much since Scott and Ljungquist, and even in the short time since Cacciamani. it would be a shamed if no MB ever is in the running for POY honors again, all because of the inception of the libero position .... and especially after players like Meriwether go out and excel above and beyond in the areas that MBs are asked to perform, and yet are penalized b/c they no longer are given a chance to rotate through the back row.... If we are to evaluate MBs, we should do so by what they are asked to do over the course of a game. Based on that Meriwether's got a shot at POY....
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Post by tnp101 on Nov 25, 2006 2:16:26 GMT -5
Meriwether will get Pac-10 POY.
It's not Barboza's time yet. She is coming back from injury nicely but wasn't as dominant as last year. I think her Jr. year will be excellent. Watch out. With Alix Klineman coming in, both of them will be the best duo-combo of the country.
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Post by mario on Nov 25, 2006 2:20:52 GMT -5
Meriwether will get Pac-10 POY. It's not Barboza's time yet. She is coming back from injury nicely but wasn't as dominant as last year. I think her Jr. year will be excellent. Watch out. With Alix Klineman coming in, both of them will be the best duo-combo of the country.[/quot Uh....no...sorry to break up the "Pat yourselves on the back fest," but the best hitting combo in the country next year will be Houghtelling/Pavan/Larson .
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 25, 2006 2:27:15 GMT -5
Seen all the Pac 10 teams except Oregon St. and Washington State, most of them twice. Would make the first team
Setter Thompson from Washington Libero Seilhammer from USC OH Morrison of Washington OH Barboza of Stanford MB Meriwether of UCLA MB Akinradewo of Stanford OP Kaczor of USC DS Richards of Stanford
2nd Team Setter; Spicer of UCLA Libero Donahue of ASU OH Copenhagen of USC OH Pressey of Cal MB Deesing of Washington MB Lamb of Arizona OPP Newcomb (sp?) of Oregon DS Gysin of USC
Both Richards and Gysin are great passers who can back row attack, and replace starters as change of pace at OH. I believe the better the team around her, the better Barboza and Morrison would be; getting more open chances to hit and good sets. Meriwether and Akinradewo are simply overwhelming in the middle. I think this first team takes just about anyone. Richards seems less dominant this year, probably knees are keeping her back that little extra, so put her where her intangibles help. Saw stanford take Washington; didn't think Thompson played badly at all. Stanford was just in good position to dig up some of Washington's better shots.
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Post by beachman on Nov 25, 2006 2:37:49 GMT -5
Meriwether has awesome stats but in significant part because the setter at UCLA is just plain awesome.....you put a mediocre setter in there and her numbers drop substantially.
Crystal Morrison has to be a first team PAC-10 player,,,,,much more dominant and complete a player that Kazsor or whatever the hell her name is!
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 2:40:52 GMT -5
Meriwether has awesome stats but in significant part because the setter at UCLA is just plain awesome.....you put a mediocre setter in there and her numbers drop substantially. Crystal Morrison has to be a first team PAC-10 player,,,,,much more dominant and complete a player that Kazsor or whatever the hell her name is! LOVE SPICER!! .. but the other MB, Rachel Johnson isn't putting up those numbers ... You still have to put the set away!
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Post by saywho on Nov 25, 2006 2:48:17 GMT -5
I personally don't think so. I think she is a good setter. And I think she has the most determination and a great winning mentality...but I think there are better setters out there talent wise. Everyone can have a bad match in a four year career. All of her accomplishments over the last four years can't be written off because of losses to Top 5 teams, especially if passing went south. Absolutely, everybody has off nights. My opinion is not based on tonight...I've watched her probably over 20 times in her career. I do not think she is as good as some other setters out there. I think that Nellie Spicer has the best hands in the pac-10, by far. She is absolutely amazing when on the run. I think that Courtney has the most go get em attitude in the pac-10. And I think that Kehoe is the strongest while playing at the net, both offensively and blocking wise. Very rarely have I seen Kehoe lose a joust. I think actually only twice (I am sure there are other times that I haven't been there to witness).
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 2:52:36 GMT -5
Everyone can have a bad match in a four year career. All of her accomplishments over the last four years can't be written off because of losses to Top 5 teams, especially if passing went south. Absolutely, everybody has off nights. My opinion is not based on tonight...I've watched her probably over 20 times in her career. I do not think she is as good as some other setters out there. I think that Nellie Spicer has the best hands in the pac-10, by far. She is absolutely amazing when on the run. I think that Courtney has the most go get em attitude in the pac-10. And I think that Kehoe is the strongest while playing at the net, both offensively and blocking wise. Very rarely have I seen Kehoe lose a joust. I think actually only twice (I am sure there are other times that I haven't been there to witness). Fair enough. I think Nellie is the best pure setter in the Pac-10 right now. Courtney is the biggest ballah of them all. The way that you feel about Thompson, is the way I feel about Kehoe. I think Kehoe is a good setter, but not as great as everyone makes her out to be.
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