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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2007 16:51:27 GMT -5
I sure hope that all the people who are ripping the girls for transferring have never switched jobs because they sought a better opportunity. Doofs. Is anyone actually surprised by this though? What type of reaction did they expect? Yes, it was a mistake to talk to the press, they should have just shut up when they had the chance.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 20, 2007 17:36:34 GMT -5
Figjam, take your violin and ride your donkey out of town. Be sure to take saywho with you.
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Post by saywho on Apr 20, 2007 17:42:45 GMT -5
Figjam, take your violin and ride your donkey out of town. Be sure to take saywho with you. Sorry, Bik...unlike you, I'm not too big on riding the donkey.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 20, 2007 17:52:42 GMT -5
Figjam, take your violin and ride your donkey out of town. Be sure to take saywho with you. Sorry I'm not too big on riding the donkey. Yeah, I guess it would be hard to ride yourself.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Apr 20, 2007 18:14:17 GMT -5
I sure hope that all the people who are ripping the girls for transferring have never switched jobs because they sought a better opportunity. Doofs. College sports are not the same as the business world. There's a fan base that would like to be able to count on their favorite players throughout their careers. Fans like loyalty. So it's natual that they would be upset when those players leave. In business, there's no true sense of loyalty. You're in it for yourself.
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Post by blob on Apr 20, 2007 18:34:33 GMT -5
Figjam, take your violin and ride your donkey out of town. Be sure to take saywho with you. Sorry, Bik...unlike you, I'm not too big on riding the donkey. Actually, in Bik's case the proper terminology is "loping the mule".
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Post by highflyer on Apr 20, 2007 21:09:06 GMT -5
figjam, don't try to stick up for them. They did the unthinkable. They walked out on their team without any good reason. Both were starters. They were on a good team. They were getting individual accolades. The ultimate in selfishness. I hope their new teammates look at them for what they are.
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Post by Chance on Apr 20, 2007 21:47:05 GMT -5
One way to eliminate this problem would be to have a NCAA rule that stated all non - injured players on the squad must play at least 10 points per match. That way everyone gets a chance to play and both teams would have to figure out the best substitution pattern that would achieve a win given a wide range of talent. I've got another idea. How about you stop following college sports and go watch rec soccer instead. Besides, if you are really worried about players being cut lose, your idea is horrible for preventing that. If your suggestion was instituted, you would really start to see players get cut lose on a regular basis. If everybody has to play, then they really cant afford to be loyal to a player who isn't doing good. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for a student to rethink her choice in University, especially if she found better academic or cultural opportunities elsewhere. Why is loyalty a factor ? Coaches are not loyal to their players, they only play the ones that give them the best performance so they can notch another NCAA bid to their belt. Do you even realize how big of a part of these girls lives volleyball is? How much time they spend with their teammates and coaches? It's a much bigger factor than whatever the hell "cultural opportunities" means. Is it not ok to transfer because of coach / team chemistry issues, but it is ok to tranfer to be closer to your favorite art museum? As for coaches "only playing the ones that give them the best performance," thats partially because that's what the fans WANT them to do. I'll follow my team if they lose, but i certainly prefer that they win. I am generally a big fan of developing and using depth, but if Rob Patrick (or anybody coaching one of my teams) went to an equal rotation "just to be fair," and we started losing, I would want them replaced.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Apr 20, 2007 23:26:39 GMT -5
Looking over the posts on this thread, there is one thing that is quite apparent....some of the posters sure have stupid avatars and avatar quotes.
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Post by outwest on Apr 21, 2007 3:26:51 GMT -5
Coug VB:
What would happen if they ended up at Cal? Would Matt McSHane be guitly as sin?
It's been a revolving door in those offices lately.
Hey, contrary to the beliefs of the closed socialist world of academia, our society is based on this concept: We can vote with our feet and our wallets. Perhaps disappointing for the team, but there's nothing like the free exercise of your rights to pursue your lifes dreams and ambitions (by the way ambition is a great thing, not something deragatory). BUT, one painful result of the Brave New World is that we don't let people deal with the consequences of making tough choices.
Let 'em be. Life's too short.
7 players, 3 coaches, in 2 yrs. If this happened in Santa Barbara this board would be asking for KG to resign.
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Post by cougvb on Apr 21, 2007 12:13:31 GMT -5
Coug VB: What would happen if they ended up at Cal? Would Matt McSHane be guitly as sin? Well, I would be surprised because I know Matt and don't think he would stoop that low. The volleyball community in Utah is so tight-we work, play, go to church together, socialize, etc. We know more about each other personally than perhaps in other states. I think it's going to be tough on the Salvo family for a while around here. Beth is very respected and we see this as a slap in the face to her and her program. Doesn't help the Salvo family changes their story with every article. As has been mentioned before, it's the timing. Late in the spring, after Europe trip, after USA tryouts-it all just stinks to high heaven.
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Post by donkeykong on Apr 21, 2007 13:09:18 GMT -5
Coug VB: What would happen if they ended up at Cal? Would Matt McSHane be guitly as sin? Well, I would be surprised because I know Matt and don't think he would stoop that low. The volleyball community in Utah is so tight-we work, play, go to church together, socialize, etc. We know more about each other personally than perhaps in other states. I think it's going to be tough on the Salvo family for a while around here. Beth is very respected and we see this as a slap in the face to her and her program. Doesn't help the Salvo family changes their story with every article. As has been mentioned before, it's the timing. Late in the spring, after Europe trip, after USA tryouts-it all just stinks to high heaven. Cougvb, If the community is so tight-knit then you will know as many do in Utah, that for the Utes to get Sydney they had to take back a scholarship from a local Utah setter that had committed to them when Utah thought they didn't have a chance with Sydney. Someone changes their mind and the kid who thought their decision was done is all of a sudden back in the recruiting chaos. Loyalty from Utes?
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Post by cougvb on Apr 21, 2007 13:39:43 GMT -5
Well, I would be surprised because I know Matt and don't think he would stoop that low. The volleyball community in Utah is so tight-we work, play, go to church together, socialize, etc. We know more about each other personally than perhaps in other states. I think it's going to be tough on the Salvo family for a while around here. Beth is very respected and we see this as a slap in the face to her and her program. Doesn't help the Salvo family changes their story with every article. As has been mentioned before, it's the timing. Late in the spring, after Europe trip, after USA tryouts-it all just stinks to high heaven. Cougvb, If the community is so tight-knit then you will know as many do in Utah, that for the Utes to get Sydney they had to take back a scholarship from a local Utah setter that had committed to them when Utah thought they didn't have a chance with Sydney. Someone changes their mind and the kid who thought their decision was done is all of a sudden back in the recruiting chaos. Loyalty from Utes? Well, maybe I'm not as in the know as I thought I was, because I don't know what you're talking about. How can you take away a scholarship from someone who hasn't even played? Sydney signed in November 2005. If Beth promised someone a scholarship then changed her mind when Sydney came, that stinks. But I would be surprised Utah was even recruiting a setter-they had a great freshman in Shannon Krug. You don't turn down a Sydney Anderson, but who is that local setter that they wanted? Only one I can think of is the Hamilton girl and she ended up at Arizona. I have heard of coaches telling kids, "This scholarship is yours, IF so and so doesn't committ by a certain date." My guess is that's what happened. They told this girl this scholarship is yours if Sydney decides to go elsewhere. It's not like this girl signed a Letter of Intent, Sydney comes on board in late spring, early summer and they took a scholarship away.
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Post by donkeykong on Apr 21, 2007 15:06:38 GMT -5
Of course a letter of intent wasn't signed but there was a commitment and with a little work you can find out who Hamilton committed to first and what happened after that.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 23, 2007 8:50:21 GMT -5
I sure hope that all the people who are ripping the girls for transferring have never switched jobs because they sought a better opportunity. Doofs. College sports are not the same as the business world. There's a fan base that would like to be able to count on their favorite players throughout their careers. Fans like loyalty. So it's natual that they would be upset when those players leave. In business, there's no true sense of loyalty. You're in it for yourself. You're close, but not quite there. In college sports, the business itself is loyalty. Without merchandising, ticket sales, and prestigous alumni donations, college sports wouldn't be viable above the intramural level. Since colleges are prostituting their technical and educational institutions to sell us a sense of significance and purpose that comes from membership in a tribal clan, we as consumers of their product are not being unreasonable when we demand that they fill the gyms with athletes we can follow and vicariously live through.
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