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Post by huskervbfan on Apr 16, 2007 6:31:35 GMT -5
If Washington is their destination, the next question is, did they have any evaluating staff at the A2 trials? If so, some serious questions should be asked of them and this could become VERY INTERESTING.
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Post by Greenie on Apr 16, 2007 7:39:03 GMT -5
One post above says that UW is the most likely beneficiary. Yet, I don't see McLaughlin as being the type to win at all costs. Win at all costs - probably not. But, look at the role transfers have played lately - Bri Hagarty and Stevie Mussie both transferred and stepped into key roles, so it's not something new for Huskies. And wasn't the Croatian sensation Sanya Tomasevic committed to some other school when UW got her? I can't remember where, but I think it was somewhere east.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Apr 16, 2007 9:43:55 GMT -5
One post above says that UW is the most likely beneficiary. Yet, I don't see McLaughlin as being the type to win at all costs. Win at all costs - probably not. But, look at the role transfers have played lately - Bri Hagarty and Stevie Mussie both transferred and stepped into key roles, so it's not something new for Huskies. And wasn't the Croatian sensation committed to some other school when UW got her? I can't remember where, but I think it was somewhere east. Not all Croats are Serbs and not all Serbs are Croats. Depending on who you're talking to, calling one the other could get you nothing, an earful, or a fistful.
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Post by Greenie on Apr 16, 2007 10:00:42 GMT -5
Not all Croats are Serbs and not all Serbs are Croats. Depending on who you're talking to, calling one the other could get you nothing, an earful, or a fistful. I'm taking no risks... post modified.
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Post by DaDawgFather on Apr 16, 2007 10:41:53 GMT -5
If Washington is their destination, the next question is, did they have any evaluating staff at the A2 trials? If so, some serious questions should be asked of them and this could become VERY INTERESTING. The coaches I saw in COS who were doing anything were Elliot, Hebert, Weishoff, Stevenson, Corlett, Banachowski, Collier, Maes, Larsen and a small handful of local club coaches volunteering. There were a few others there but just watching their own kids.
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Post by BearClause on Apr 16, 2007 11:44:16 GMT -5
Win at all costs - probably not. But, look at the role transfers have played lately - Bri Hagarty and Stevie Mussie both transferred and stepped into key roles, so it's not something new for Huskies. And wasn't the Croatian sensation committed to some other school when UW got her? I can't remember where, but I think it was somewhere east. Not all Croats are Serbs and not all Serbs are Croats. Depending on who you're talking to, calling one the other could get you nothing, an earful, or a fistful. If you're talking about Sanja Tomasevic, I could have sworn that I once read that her mother was Croatian. seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskies/2002056184_blai07.html
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Post by VolleyTX on Apr 16, 2007 11:59:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry.... but I don't get what all the fuss is about. If these girls have aspirations to improve their game.... play at a higher level.... maybe play in the olympics and professionally..... and if they think moving to a different school and conference will do that...... MORE POWER TO THEM!
This notion of being loyal to a decision they made as 16 or 17 year olds is bull#@$%! They are thinking about their future in volleyball. They want to be the best players they can be. Wouldn't a future doctor to be change schools if they thought that the new school had a better reputation and academics and would enhance their shot at getting into medical school?
They are chasing their dream (which probably won't be successful). I can't fault them for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2007 12:23:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry.... but I don't get what all the fuss is about. If these girls have aspirations to improve their game.... play at a higher level.... maybe play in the olympics and professionally..... and if they think moving to a different school and conference will do that...... MORE POWER TO THEM! This notion of being loyal to a decision they made as 16 or 17 year olds is bull#@$%! They are thinking about their future in volleyball. They want to be the best players they can be. Wouldn't a future doctor to be change schools if they thought that the new school had a better reputation and academics and would enhance their shot at getting into medical school? They are chasing their dream (which probably won't be successful). I can't fault them for that. I think what gets people riled up about this particular situation is not so much that these players want to transfer, but how they are doing it. As others have asked why did they wait until after their trip to Europe? Why didn't they go to the coach about their intention to transfer right after the season ended. Now it's probably too late to find replacements for these players for next season. What was said to them at the A2 tryouts, it sounds like they were committed to staying at Utah, but suddenly wanted to transfer after what somebody said to them, sounds kind of fishy to me. Utah is not a program that is known for transfers until this year, Beth isn't known as a controversial coach, if this situation were at say... UCSB and Kathy Gregory I don't think people would be nearly as critical.
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Post by Greenie on Apr 16, 2007 12:23:44 GMT -5
Oh, I think you might have missed one of the many points...
The biggest issue for me is the possibility that someone at the A2 tryout either advised them to go look for a better team than Utah, or implied that by playing at Utah they were hurting their chances with the national team program. That, IMHO, is the big issue.
Additionally, if a coach at another university were involved or even their club coach, that is another problem. Once a kid is committed to a school the recruiting is supposed to stop according to unwritten rules. Once a kid signs, their are NCAA rules against such behavior - rules that are broken for sure.
My .02.
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Post by cougvb on Apr 16, 2007 12:24:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry.... but I don't get what all the fuss is about. If these girls have aspirations to improve their game.... play at a higher level.... maybe play in the olympics and professionally..... and if they think moving to a different school and conference will do that...... MORE POWER TO THEM! This notion of being loyal to a decision they made as 16 or 17 year olds is bull#@$%! They are thinking about their future in volleyball. They want to be the best players they can be. Wouldn't a future doctor to be change schools if they thought that the new school had a better reputation and academics and would enhance their shot at getting into medical school? They are chasing their dream (which probably won't be successful). I can't fault them for that. Can't compare the doctor thing-being a doctor isn't a team sport-you aren't obligated to anyone but yourself. #1-They knew the competition in the MWC before they gave their word to Utah. Ariel's mother is very "volleyball" savy. Both girls grew up in Utah-being surprised at the competition isn't an excuse. #2-They waited until AFTER the Italy trip to tell Beth. #3-It's not like Utah is dogmeat (ranked #9 last year), Coach is a tyrannt (i.e. Kathy Gregory, Brian G.), or they were losing core of their team (all 6 starters return). If someone at USA Volleyball fed these girls derogatory information about the conference, heads should roll. If Ariel Salvo's mother is trying to fulfill her dreams through her daughter, shame on her.
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Post by beachman on Apr 16, 2007 12:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by cougvb on Apr 16, 2007 12:33:17 GMT -5
Good news for Utah. They won their own tournament yesterday. They beat Montana State, Utah State, Boise State and Utah Valley all in two. All while having their outside turned setter, Kate Robison, run the court. It's looking up for the Utes Is there a position Kate Robison hasn't played? I know she played libero, OH, DS, maybe not MB. I will be cheering hard for the Utes this year, and against any team Salvo/Anderson end up on. The VB community is very tight in Utah. I imagine Lori Salvo will be treated like a leper for a while.
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Post by pedro el leon on Apr 16, 2007 12:33:29 GMT -5
One post above says that UW is the most likely beneficiary. Yet, I don't see McLaughlin as being the type to win at all costs. Win at all costs - probably not. But, look at the role transfers have played lately - Bri Hagarty and Stevie Mussie both transferred and stepped into key roles, so it's not something new for Huskies. And wasn't the Croatian sensation Sanya Tomasevic committed to some other school when UW got her? I can't remember where, but I think it was somewhere east. As for Sanja, yes, she thought she thought she was originally going to North South Central West Florida Tech Community College (seriously, it was such a vague little school) because the coach there lied to her and told her that they were legit contenders for national championships and that she would be a star there... the coach just failed to mention that they were NAIA. Sanja admitted she didn't know what she was doing. A friend playing at USC at the time heard about this, called Sanja, and basically said look Sanja you're a lot better than that, and straight up told her to go to Washington. There was nothing sketchy about Jim taking her. And about Salvo and Anderson, I want to hear something definite before everybody gets their panties in a knot please.
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Post by vbcrazy on Apr 16, 2007 12:54:41 GMT -5
There should be no problem with these girls transferring. At the end of each year, a coach has the right to renew or not renew a scholarship. Why shouldn't athletes have the same prerogative as coaches? The VT community seems to be condeming these players for seeking what they believe to be a better opportunity. How many of you have changed jobs for a better opportunity? The accusations on this board are nothing short of Nifongesque
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Post by romeo on Apr 16, 2007 13:09:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't understand why the contracts aren't resigned before spring starts for the following year. It stinks for coaches and players alike when things go awry in April. I do know that application deadlines are a factor for the poor kids that get released from an expensive volleyball school and want to try to get into a public school they can afford close to home in the fall. I feel less bad for the coaches - they can still grab a good athlete at this point. There are zillions of high school seniors that have fallen through the cracks, or jc kids that would love a shot.
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