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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 17, 2007 14:53:05 GMT -5
At only $5 a ticket I'm surprised that there won't be more show up. I wonder how many true fans would show up if UW charged what NU or Hawaii do for tickets. I wonder how many Husker fans would show up to their games if there was simply something other to do in their state for entertainment? Hawaii has much the same situation, except they at least have much nicer weather......... What is there to do in Wisconsin besides booze? Perhaps people drink because Wisconsin is such a nothing happening, boring state.. at least the Packers are playing well.
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Post by bomber on Oct 17, 2007 15:20:09 GMT -5
I think that if Wisconsin gets 10,000 fans they will win the match. There is definitely something to be said about the size of the crowd in volleyball's home court advantage. I know that at Idaho, if they had 1100 people in the gym, the odds of winning are in the high 90-percentile. I know that Hawaii volleyball, when sold-out, is nearly perfect as well. Nebraska has proven that they have won substantially when their gym is packed, as well. Not a pretty situation for Penn State. For their sake, I hope Rose can keep his players focused. The fan factor worked against Wisconsin earlier this year in their loss at BYU, when the home team nearly set an attendance record in their five gamer with the Badgers. I'm sure it's worth a few points in a close match, and helped BYU over the top in that very close match.
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Post by runninrebel44 on Oct 17, 2007 15:23:23 GMT -5
Bik, not everyone is as smart as you are. That is obvious! First of all, people have been complaining about the rankings all year as being subjective so who's to say these are really the #2 and #8 teams in the country? were these the #2 and # teams in the country last week? will they be the #2 and # 8 teams in the country next week? This match is only significant to the Big 10, and as history has proven, the Big 10 is a non factor in the deep rounds of the NCAA tourney You challenging someone to provide statistical proof as to their success in the tournament is a stunning display of your lack of knowledge, PSU and Wisconsin are a combined 15-6 in the NCAA tournament over the past 3 years, with a total of 3 appearances in the regional final in that period. You're thinking and talking out of the wrong end. You do however deserve a lot of credit, it can't be easy typing and hitting enter with your head in your ass. 3 regional finals in the past 3 years is the best the "Big Girls" Conference can do? Big 10 fans like to tout their conference and make fun of other conferences like the WAC but the fact of the matter is that the Big 10, with all its "talent", has nothing to show for it outside of conference play. How many final four appearences, regional final appearences have Big 10 teams made since 2000? Fact of the matter is that both Hawai'i and Florida have had more success in the NCAA tourney than ALL OF THE BIG 10 TEAMS COMBINED. Big Girls conference doesn't quite fit, unless you are talking about their spandex. Next thing you're going to tell me is that Florida and Hawaii are actually better than Penn State and Wisconsin, or a healthy Minnesota and Purdue, for that matter. The marvel that is the 64 team tournament is that upsets and things that shouldn't happen do happen. In volleyball or basketball, if you were to play the tournament over again, you would probably have a different winner, a different final four, and so on. You really can't gauge the talent and dominance of a conference by their results in the NCAA Tournament. Also, when the selection committee pits two B10 schools together in the same opening weekend rounds, which they often do, it makes it a lot harder for more teams to go farther.
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Post by JT on Oct 17, 2007 15:31:06 GMT -5
Big 10 fans like to tout their conference and make fun of other conferences like the WAC but the fact of the matter is that the Big 10, with all its "talent", has nothing to show for it outside of conference play. How many final four appearences, regional final appearences have Big 10 teams made since 2000? Final Four Appearances: 3 2004 - Minnesota 2003 - Minnesota 2000 - Wisconsin Regional Final Appearances: 10 2000 - Penn State 2000 - Wisconsin 2003 - Penn State 2003 - Minnesota 2004 - Minnesota 2004 - Ohio State 2004 - Wisconsin 2005 - Wisconsin 2006 - Minnesota 2006 - Penn State Wow. You mean Hawaii has been in more than 10 regional finals in the last 7 seasons? And here it was that I thought you'd been in four regional finals during that period -- 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2006.
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Post by leadbrain on Oct 17, 2007 15:43:26 GMT -5
Bold prediction, wisconsin in 5. I'm still trying to remember the last time Hawaii was in a Final Four. i keep coming up with nothing. But still, there is more things to do than just drink in wisconsin you can do any of the following:
1. go to the dells (great miniature golf) 2. eat cheese curds (amazing) 3. eat fried cheese curds (amazing and crunchy) 4. eat brats 5. wash down nos. 2-5 with copius amounts of beer 6. follow no. 5 with more beer 7. repeat
where else can you do that? oh, and if this was still september i would add watch the brewers choke. but alas i must add watch bret favre singlehandedly throw away the packers season
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Post by JT on Oct 17, 2007 15:44:16 GMT -5
Also, when the selection committee pits two B10 schools together in the same opening weekend rounds, which they often do... Um... no they don't. 2006 - Penn State and Purdue met in the regional semi-finals. Wisconsin and Michigan could have met in the regional finals if they had both advanced. Ohio State and Penn State could have met in the regional finals if OSU had advanced. 2005 - Penn State and Minnesota could have met in the regional semi-final if Minnesota had advanced. Wisconsin and Northwestern could have met in the regional semi-final if Northwestern had advanced. Purdue and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if Purdue had advanced. 2004 - Ohio State and Minnesota met in the regional final. Purdue and Wisconsin could have met in the regional semi-final if Purdue had advanced. Michigan and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if Michigan had advanced. 2003 - Michigan State and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. Northwestern and Minnesota could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. Michigan and Illinois could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. In those last four years, no other BigTen v BigTen matchup could have occurred before the Final Four.
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Post by JustMyTwoCents on Oct 17, 2007 15:45:22 GMT -5
I'll just throw it out there: Michigan State. Wisconsin. Being undefeated or having one loss doesn't seem to mean a whole lot. And for that matter: Michigan. Good thing Appalachian State doesn't have the budget to travel over anything but land. All in good fun.
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Post by JT on Oct 17, 2007 15:47:53 GMT -5
Bold prediction, wisconsin in 5. I'm still trying to remember the last time Hawaii was in a Final Four. i keep coming up with nothing. 2003, I believe.
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Post by roy on Oct 17, 2007 15:49:32 GMT -5
Um... no they don't. 2006 - Penn State and Purdue met in the regional semi-finals. Wisconsin and Michigan could have met in the regional finals if they had both advanced. Ohio State and Penn State could have met in the regional finals if OSU had advanced. 2005 - Penn State and Minnesota could have met in the regional semi-final if Minnesota had advanced. Wisconsin and Northwestern could have met in the regional semi-final if Northwestern had advanced. Purdue and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if Purdue had advanced. 2004 - Ohio State and Minnesota met in the regional final. Purdue and Wisconsin could have met in the regional semi-final if Purdue had advanced. Michigan and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if Michigan had advanced. 2003 - Michigan State and Wisconsin could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. Northwestern and Minnesota could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. Michigan and Illinois could have met in the regional final if they'd both advanced. In those last four years, no other BigTen v BigTen matchup could have occurred before the Final Four. Just to add, the NCAA committee does not allow any conference match ups in the first/second round.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 17, 2007 15:54:12 GMT -5
Just to add, the NCAA committee does not allow any conference match ups in the first/second round. I think their wording is 'discourages.'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 16:02:00 GMT -5
That's correct. In Wisconsin, you can: 1) Go to a game 2) Shoot some animal 3) Drink until you fall over It's amazing anyone makes it to the Fieldhouse. You can do the same in Minnesota, with this added benefit: 1) Go to a game, and then icefish. 2) Shoot some animal, and then icefish. 3) Drink until you fall over, icefishing. Unless you fall through the ice. Then you're dead.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 17, 2007 16:08:52 GMT -5
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Florida and Hawaii are actually better than Penn State and Wisconsin, or a healthy Minnesota and Purdue, for that matter. Hawai'i and Florida are better than Wisconsin, Purdue, and Minnesota. Has Wisconsin even beaten a non conference top 25 opponent? Penn State otoh, would have the edge against Hawai'i and Florida on paper. And don't bring up a lame excuse such as an injury. Hawai'i has dealt with the injury bug for the past couple of seasons and still made the regional finals least season. The marvel that is the 64 team tournament is that upsets and things that shouldn't happen do happen. In volleyball or basketball, if you were to play the tournament over again, you would probably have a different winner, a different final four, and so on. You really can't gauge the talent and dominance of a conference by their results in the NCAA Tournament. Also, when the selection committee pits two B10 schools together in the same opening weekend rounds, which they often do, it makes it a lot harder for more teams to go farther. Sounds like a convenient excuse
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 17, 2007 16:12:12 GMT -5
Big 10 fans like to tout their conference and make fun of other conferences like the WAC but the fact of the matter is that the Big 10, with all its "talent", has nothing to show for it outside of conference play. How many final four appearences, regional final appearences have Big 10 teams made since 2000? Final Four Appearances: 3 2004 - Minnesota 2003 - Minnesota 2000 - Wisconsin So since the 2000 season, Hawai'i has as many final four appearences as the ENTIRE Big 10 Conference? Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by bomber on Oct 17, 2007 16:22:59 GMT -5
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Florida and Hawaii are actually better than Penn State and Wisconsin, or a healthy Minnesota and Purdue, for that matter. Hawai'i anf Florida are better than Wisconsin, Purdue, and Minnesota. Has Wisconsin even beaten a non confrence top 25 opponent? Bik, your rantings are becoming more and more absurd. If Hawaii can't even beat teams like Oregon State and Michigan at home, how on earth could you expect them to beat Michigan's conference leader anywhere? Figure out how to beat the middle of the conference teams before you lace it up to meet the conference powers.
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Post by bomber on Oct 17, 2007 16:25:58 GMT -5
Big 10 fans like to tout their conference and make fun of other conferences like the WAC but the fact of the matter is that the Big 10, with all its "talent", has nothing to show for it outside of conference play. How many final four appearences, regional final appearences have Big 10 teams made since 2000? Final Four Appearances: 3 2004 - Minnesota 2003 - Minnesota 2000 - Wisconsin So since the 2000 season, Hawai'i has as many final four appearences as the ENTIRE Big 10 Conference? Thanks for proving my point. Here's a point to consider, that's probably slightly more relevant due to the fact that it's not ancient history. As long as you have your record book open, what's Hawaii's record been against the Big Ten teams the last four years?
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