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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 6, 2008 20:11:31 GMT -5
Four years ago, the WA governor's race was very close. The Republican candidate, who was leading, practically threw a temper tantrum because the Democratic candidate refused to "concede". It was as if a concession speech actually changed the vote count.
Anyway, there was an automatic machine recount, and the margin got even closer. Rossi once again demanded that Gregoire concede the election, and said several times that he would if he were in her place. But she didn't, and put up a deposit for a hand recount.
The result of that was that she won by 133 votes. Rossi went ballistic. Far from accepting the results like he had been saying he would do, suddenly he was in no hurry to concede. In fact, he filed a lawsuit, and it wasn't until the suit was decided in the spring that he finally accepted he was not governor.
It's a lot easier to say you would be a gracious loser than it is to actually be a gracious loser.
(This past election Gregoire beat Rossi again, but by 100,000 votes.)
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Post by cruncher on Nov 6, 2008 20:44:45 GMT -5
This thread had me thinking about the exact same thing. Nice recap, Mike.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Nov 7, 2008 10:43:43 GMT -5
My daughter goes to school in Spokane and we have been over several times for her matches. I have been very tired of seeing the "Don't let Seattle Steal The Election Again" signs. I am very glad that that <expletive deleted> Rossi lost, and lost BIG. seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1856
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Post by BearClause on Nov 7, 2008 13:03:52 GMT -5
My daughter goes to school in Spokane and we have been over several times for her matches. I have been very tired of seeing the "Don't let Seattle Steal The Election Again" signs. I am very glad that that <expletive deleted> Rossi lost, and lost BIG. seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=1856Well - back in August I was driving through several logging and rural areas of Washington, including part of the Olympic Peninsula and the area around Mt Rainier. There were a whole lot of Rossi for Governor signs in those more rural areas. He was also running a lot more radio ads as we were going through those areas.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 7, 2008 15:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 7, 2008 15:57:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 16:14:14 GMT -5
239 votes. Norm's starting to sweat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 11:00:41 GMT -5
221.
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Post by goGopherBill on Nov 11, 2008 0:09:06 GMT -5
EVER WONDER how every found new vote is for Frankensteiner?
all coming from democratic counties..can you say fraud?
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 11, 2008 1:18:39 GMT -5
EVER WONDER how every found new vote is for Frankensteiner? all coming from democratic counties..can you say fraud? Yup, another feature of the 2004 WA race. Allegations of fraud became tossed about quicker and quicker as the recount process went on. The assumption, of course, was always that the difference must have been fraud due to illegal ballots being added. No one ever seemed to consider that it's actually easier to remove legit ballots from the count than it is to add forged ballots. When ballots from districts that favor one party turn up at the last minute, does that mean they were forged? Or does that mean someone tried to hide them but they were found? Fraud could work either way. It's best not to start tossing around words like "fraud" unless you have some evidence of it. Counting errors are not evidence of fraud, they are only evidence of counting errors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 10:28:52 GMT -5
The very fact Bill calls him "Frankensteiner" shows how shallow his view is going to be on this whole issue. I swear, Franken would have won by 25% if he was better looking. But, then, we know this is why Bill was so pro-Romney.
And it's 206 votes now.
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Post by goGopherBill on Nov 11, 2008 13:33:16 GMT -5
I cant call him what I really think about him and be here.
The guy is a pure fraud on every level. Voting for him is throwing the baby out with the bath water
and gee in those Democratic counties,with Democratic counters ,with democratic ticket haulers to suggest Republicans stole votes is a JOKE.
The election was tilted in every manner for OBAMA FRANKLIN to win. Every ad, every newspaper had 2-1 more negative stories about REPUBLICANS than Democrats.
Gee I bet another 10,000 new FRANKENSTEIN VOTES are found from the IRON RANGE... DEMOCRATS AND UNIONS who have ruined that part of Minnesota.
Wanting to spread the wealth..they spread the PAIN.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 11, 2008 13:33:28 GMT -5
EVER WONDER how every found new vote is for Frankensteiner? all coming from democratic counties..can you say fraud? Yup, another feature of the 2004 WA race. Allegations of fraud became tossed about quicker and quicker as the recount process went on. The assumption, of course, was always that the difference must have been fraud due to illegal ballots being added. No one ever seemed to consider that it's actually easier to remove legit ballots from the count than it is to add forged ballots. When ballots from districts that favor one party turn up at the last minute, does that mean they were forged? Or does that mean someone tried to hide them but they were found? Fraud could work either way. It's best not to start tossing around words like "fraud" unless you have some evidence of it. Counting errors are not evidence of fraud, they are only evidence of counting errors. Of course it also takes a while for provisional ballots to either be allowed or tossed. I would think that would be extremely contentious. Were there any reports of people stationed to question the eligibility of voters? I understand this often results in a provisional ballot being cast.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 11, 2008 17:56:30 GMT -5
Yup, another feature of the 2004 WA race. Allegations of fraud became tossed about quicker and quicker as the recount process went on. The assumption, of course, was always that the difference must have been fraud due to illegal ballots being added. No one ever seemed to consider that it's actually easier to remove legit ballots from the count than it is to add forged ballots. When ballots from districts that favor one party turn up at the last minute, does that mean they were forged? Or does that mean someone tried to hide them but they were found? Fraud could work either way. It's best not to start tossing around words like "fraud" unless you have some evidence of it. Counting errors are not evidence of fraud, they are only evidence of counting errors. Of course it also takes a while for provisional ballots to either be allowed or tossed. I would think that would be extremely contentious. Were there any reports of people stationed to question the eligibility of voters? I understand this often results in a provisional ballot being cast. We went through it all. The guy who eventually lost produced a big list of voters he claimed were ineligible because they were convicted felons, dead, duplicates, etc. But a) he had no proof which way those ballots were cast, and b) it turned out that his list was not very accurate, as many people on the list just had the same name as someone else, or were felons that had completed the requirements to have their voting rights restored, etc. So there was a lot of inflamatory comments about "stolen elections" but there was no actual evidence that any such thing happened. This is what Minn has to look forward to, especially if the recount changes the outcome like it did in WA.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 11, 2008 18:33:35 GMT -5
We went through it all. The guy who eventually lost produced a big list of voters he claimed were ineligible because they were convicted felons, dead, duplicates, etc. But a) he had no proof which way those ballots were cast, and b) it turned out that his list was not very accurate, as many people on the list just had the same name as someone else, or were felons that had completed the requirements to have their voting rights restored, etc. I read about that. Something about legal absentee votes cast before death (Obama's grandmother voted absentee before she died, and her vote was counted). I thought the only proof they eventually got was that several convicted felons had voted for Rossi. I was actually a little worried about whether or not I was going to have to fill out a provisional ballot. I had moved since I last voted in the Feb primary. I tried to re-register at the last second, and was worried since I filled out a form in another county (all I could find on short notice). Fortunately the courtesy forwarding occurred in time and I was on the voter list in my new precinct.
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