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Post by 30killspergame on Apr 15, 2009 11:12:49 GMT -5
* * * The next Warrior volleyball coach will inherit a talented team. The Warriors lose only one starter, setter Sean Carney. Opposite attacker Steven Hunt is going to be a star, and Gus Tuaniga, who is having an up-and-down freshman season, is expected to be an impact player. The Warriors also have received a commitment from a 6-foot-9 opposite attacker from Germany. Pacific coach Joe Wortmann, who tried to recruit the player, compared him to Pepperdine's Paul Carroll, the best hitter in the country. The Warriors' last 6-9 attacker, Clay Stanley, is now the best player in the world. But unlike Stanley, who took up volleyball at 17, the recruit has played competively for several years. * * * warriorbeat.honadvblogs.com/2009/04/12/cupboard-is-well-stocked/I have heard about the German and that he's the real deal but wondering if he will still be coming if Reyes isn't here? I hope the AD is NOT considering Reyes for head coach , the program needs a fresh start. I am thinking Speraw or Kevin Ring as possible head coaches. Stanley is not the best player in the world. He is at best the third opposite hitter in the world behind Milkovich and Poltavsky. I'm suprised no one corrected that.
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Post by Murina on Apr 15, 2009 11:56:30 GMT -5
Stanley is not the best player in the world. Ok, depending on how one defines "best player." This discussion should probably go in a different thread, but I think your argument might have been good in 2006 (probably not though - Andre). In 2008-9 I'd put Stanley closer to the top than any mentioned, but probably not at the top.
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Post by behindthescenes on Apr 15, 2009 13:43:22 GMT -5
I am going to have to say that Stanley and Milkovic are on the level. Poltavsky probably isn't even third. He doesn't even start on the Russian National Team, Mikahlov is the starting oppo. All I know is Stanley was the Olympic MVP. That means in 2008 he was the best player in the world. 2009?? I guess we will see when World League starts.
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Post by vball24 on Apr 15, 2009 23:04:24 GMT -5
actually poltavsky starts, he just had a messed up back i believe during the olympics. The best opps in the world would be (not in order):
Stanley Miljkovic Wlazly Fei
Two players that are up there but seemed to have declined are Andre and Poltavsky
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Post by Murina on Apr 16, 2009 1:13:56 GMT -5
actually poltavsky starts, he just had a messed up back i believe during the olympics. The best opps in the world would be (not in order): Stanley Miljkovic Wlazly Fei Two players that are up there but seemed to have declined are Andre and Poltavsky Mikhilov is outplaying both Stanley and Poltavsky this season. He is (by far) the best attacker, within 2 blocks of Stanley (way above Poltavsky) and has no help on his team. Poltavsky's days as the starter are over. One could make an argument that the second best opposite in Russia is Johan Schops.
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Post by beachdude on Apr 16, 2009 1:14:08 GMT -5
Too much is made of Wilton. This is not his fault. I am going to guess that after the debacle with the vacated national championship, he was given a short leash in recruiting foreign players to the extent that he has not recruited as many as in the past. In the late 90s, over half of his scholies went to foreign players. Now, he has to recruit more US talent. Very tough for a school that is not as academic as say UCLA or even Long Beach. The fact that he has not won as much is due to the talent on the team. Nothing more. I like Mike and wish him well in Provo.
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Post by setaone on Apr 16, 2009 1:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by roy on Apr 16, 2009 3:03:38 GMT -5
Too much is made of Wilton. This is not his fault. I am going to guess that after the debacle with the vacated national championship, he was given a short leash in recruiting foreign players to the extent that he has not recruited as many as in the past. In the late 90s, over half of his scholies went to foreign players. Now, he has to recruit more US talent. Very tough for a school that is not as academic as say UCLA or even Long Beach. The fact that he has not won as much is due to the talent on the team. Nothing more. I like Mike and wish him well in Provo. I have some disagreement with this. I will agree that Wilton probably had to limit his international recruiting after the Costas incident. I'm not going to argue academia on the forum (it's been argued way too much to a pointless end). But you can't tell me that a program that gets as much support as Hawaii does and can over the full 4.5 scholarships can only get 10th place in a 12 team conference. With only a handful of college varsity programs, there is more than enough talent for all the programs to be competitive with strong recruits. At that point, it comes down to coaching and what a coach can do with the talent he has.
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Post by setaone on Apr 16, 2009 3:34:46 GMT -5
Too much is made of Wilton. This is not his fault. I am going to guess that after the debacle with the vacated national championship, he was given a short leash in recruiting foreign players to the extent that he has not recruited as many as in the past. In the late 90s, over half of his scholies went to foreign players. Now, he has to recruit more US talent. Very tough for a school that is not as academic as say UCLA or even Long Beach. The fact that he has not won as much is due to the talent on the team. Nothing more. I like Mike and wish him well in Provo. I have some disagreement with this. I will agree that Wilton probably had to limit his international recruiting after the Costas incident. I'm not going to argue academia on the forum (it's been argued way too much to a pointless end). But you can't tell me that a program that gets as much support as Hawaii does and can over the full 4.5 scholarships can only get 10th place in a 12 team conference. With only a handful of college varsity programs, there is more than enough talent for all the programs to be competitive with strong recruits. At that point, it comes down to coaching and what a coach can do with the talent he has. I agree with beachdude that too much is made of Wilton. Too much negative bias, that is. Agree that coaching is a huge factor to the success of a team - but you need to apply that component consistently in your assessment. If you fault Wilton for a poor season, you must also credit him for all of his winning seasons. Instead, people here tend to credit his winning seasons to the big name players. He was their coach, wasn't he? To kick a guy when he's down is easy and a total weakness of character. One learns through athletics that when someone falls, you help them up, even opponents.
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Post by vbbetterthanbb on Apr 16, 2009 3:47:28 GMT -5
Peterson from BYU you gotta be kickin. A BYU man at Manoa you gotta be kickin me. Remember he left Provo under "A cloud of NCAA investigation". Wilton is a Mormon, but not a BYU guy (yet). That guy whined on the court more than his semi-pro Brazilian players in the early 2003-04 seasons. No way Hawaii should even consider Peterson. As a rather new but enthusiastic college volleyball fan who has zero insider information, I enjoy your posts a lot. I apologized for asking about Tom Peterson in my earlier post not realizing you had made the above comment. While I have no reason to disbelieve any of your points as to why Peterson should not be hired at Hawaii, I do have a question about your NCAA investigation reference. I read the following link, and especially all the comments (many appeared to be from people who knew Peterson in person.) www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695260895,00.html?pg=1 And then the following link, which gave the same story as above, but added the heading "NO NCAA PENALTIES AGAINST PETERSON" www.volleyballfanz.blogspot.com/With all these information should I not believe that Tom Peterson was a scape goat altogether?
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Post by guest007 on Apr 16, 2009 11:56:46 GMT -5
We all have such unique perspectives. Presho has two kids unique family circumstances. he is neither leaving nor uprooting. So the point of "Presho good v bad" is moot (but he would be "good", whatever the hell that means). "Men's v Women's coach" (a la Reed, Sealy, etc) debate is less of a factor with Hugh going to the women's game. coaches in Europe do it all the time. Paes (Paris Volley) has coached top French div women and men. Speraw. interesting. besides the fact there is no way in hell he leaves UCI... he has had his share of luck, fortunate circumstances as well as support from his staff AND the administration. let's not put him on an pedestal or bronze him just yet. we're all too smart to know that no "one" person makes a program succeed OR fail. Although I guess the fun part about being the head coach is taking credit or blame for everything... Assistant or current Men's Coaches (a la Scott Wong, Kevin Ring). Are those the only two out there! are other men's coaches just not cut out for the job? or are we ignorant to who they are and what they've done anyway, speculation is fun, but the better debate is what is the Hawaii administration looking for? And what SHOULD they be looking for? I think there are stones unturned out there... I just hope that Donovan and the UH search committee are not shopping for a car based on what drives up to them nor by what is just "on the lot." In my opinion, they need to first establish what it is they want (THEIR "ideal coach", not ours) and then find or cultivate that person. ...another reason we should be funding stem cell research! ha! hmmm... maybe we should tell Long beach the same thing... in another thread...
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Post by up2u on Apr 16, 2009 12:28:18 GMT -5
I stand on my top three: Presho, Allen Allen and Reyes. With Sealy as my dark horse.
Maybe we should start a 'bracketology' on who the next Hawaii coach will be. (1) who applies and (2) who is the finalist.
I hope the committee consults with some of the former players.
Where is VBCrusin when we need him.
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Post by wang pu on Apr 16, 2009 19:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by roy on Apr 16, 2009 19:43:59 GMT -5
I agree with beachdude that too much is made of Wilton. Too much negative bias, that is. Agree that coaching is a huge factor to the success of a team - but you need to apply that component consistently in your assessment. If you fault Wilton for a poor season, you must also credit him for all of his winning seasons. Instead, people here tend to credit his winning seasons to the big name players. He was their coach, wasn't he? To kick a guy when he's down is easy and a total weakness of character. One learns through athletics that when someone falls, you help them up, even opponents. How is the assessment kicking someone when they are down? The assessment has basically been similar to the same system of meritocracy that Wilton uses on his players. His assessment of the players is weighted much more heavily on their recent performance and how they are performing in practice opposed to past performance. Wilton certainly had winning season and I certainly give him credit for those winning seasons. However, for the past 3 seasons, Hawaii has had a losing record. It’s very difficult not to fault the coaching based on those results. Personally speaking, I have not been overly impressed with Wilton’s overall record. He has a pretty good overall winning percent. But his post season record isn’t nearly as good. If I am adding this correctly (and I could very well be mistaken), he is 10-14 in the MPSF tournament in 17 years as the head coach. Hawaii has only been to the MSPF championship match 3 times (1995, 2001, 2002). Those were the years that Hawaii had a foreign player (Katz and Costas) who came in and already had a pretty refined game. And as GSoBB noted, Hawaii has never won an MPSF tournament title. Also in the MPSF tournament, I believe Hawaii has been upset by a lower seed at least 4 times (1996, 1998, 2003, 2006). Hawaii has only been on the upstart once in 2001 against top seed BYU in the MPSF semi-final in Provo. In addition, I think Hawaii’s last win in the MPSF tournament was in 2003. Again, just to note, this may not be 100% accurate. There have been so many changes in the MPSF format that I may have missed something. I know when there were two divisions in the past, a team with a better record might be the lower seed simply based on their division and schedule.
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Post by setaone on Apr 16, 2009 20:20:58 GMT -5
Oh, there's a lot there if you are insightful enough to read between the lines. What IS there are facts from someone who actually deals with the coaches - not a bunch of speculation like this forum from wannabes and jaded fans.
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