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Post by setaone on Apr 16, 2009 20:40:02 GMT -5
I stand on my top three: Presho, Allen Allen and Reyes. With Sealy as my dark horse. Maybe we should start a 'bracketology' on who the next Hawaii coach will be. (1) who applies and (2) who is the finalist. I hope the committee consults with some of the former players. Where is VBCrusin when we need him. I think you're right on target with your top candidates. In my opinion, Dave Shoji is also a dark horse. Why? Because his name sells tickets. Largest attendance at SSC this season was when his kids played in the Stanford match: 3565. As you stated in another post, selling tickets is a sizable concern of an AD.
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Post by UHvbFan on Apr 16, 2009 21:05:36 GMT -5
Too much is made of Wilton. This is not his fault. I am going to guess that after the debacle with the vacated national championship, he was given a short leash in recruiting foreign players to the extent that he has not recruited as many as in the past. In the late 90s, over half of his scholies went to foreign players. Now, he has to recruit more US talent. Very tough for a school that is not as academic as say UCLA or even Long Beach. The fact that he has not won as much is due to the talent on the team. Nothing more. I like Mike and wish him well in Provo. U. Hawaii and Long Beach State are in two completely different academic categories. UH is classified as a Research 1 University along with UCLA (there are only 59 institutions in the US that meet the criteria): Offer a full range of baccalaureate programs Are committed to graduate education through the doctorate Give high priority to research Award 50 or more doctoral degrees each year Receive annually $40 million or more in federal support--UH receives >$300M in federal support Long Beach State's mission is not research, it's undergraduate instruction. Most would consider UH to be far more "academic" than LBSU.
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Post by beachdude on Apr 17, 2009 1:35:05 GMT -5
Too much is made of Wilton. This is not his fault. I am going to guess that after the debacle with the vacated national championship, he was given a short leash in recruiting foreign players to the extent that he has not recruited as many as in the past. In the late 90s, over half of his scholies went to foreign players. Now, he has to recruit more US talent. Very tough for a school that is not as academic as say UCLA or even Long Beach. The fact that he has not won as much is due to the talent on the team. Nothing more. I like Mike and wish him well in Provo. U. Hawaii and Long Beach State are in two completely different academic categories. UH is classified as a Research 1 University along with UCLA (there are only 59 institutions in the US that meet the criteria): Offer a full range of baccalaureate programs Are committed to graduate education through the doctorate Give high priority to research Award 50 or more doctoral degrees each year Receive annually $40 million or more in federal support--UH receives >$300M in federal support Long Beach State's mission is not research, it's undergraduate instruction. Most would consider UH to be far more "academic" than LBSU. Ohh god! What was I thinking? LBSU. Naaah.... It was Northridge I was thinking of. No wait, it was Fresno State! I love to hear you defend your academics almost as much as I love to hear about how it is not the outside hitters at UH and the coaching. If somebody came out and said they resent the recruits Mike has got over the last 4 years, I might listen. Al @ UCLA and Bill @usc both have senior opposites that are underperforming. Ask them about how much research money they get. You island boys and girls make me laugh.....
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Post by setaone on Apr 17, 2009 2:11:09 GMT -5
I agree with beachdude that too much is made of Wilton. Too much negative bias, that is. Agree that coaching is a huge factor to the success of a team - but you need to apply that component consistently in your assessment. If you fault Wilton for a poor season, you must also credit him for all of his winning seasons. Instead, people here tend to credit his winning seasons to the big name players. He was their coach, wasn't he? To kick a guy when he's down is easy and a total weakness of character. One learns through athletics that when someone falls, you help them up, even opponents. How is the assessment kicking someone when they are down? The assessment has basically been similar to the same system of meritocracy that Wilton uses on his players. His assessment of the players is weighted much more heavily on their recent performance and how they are performing in practice opposed to past performance. Wilton certainly had winning season and I certainly give him credit for those winning seasons. However, for the past 3 seasons, Hawaii has had a losing record. It’s very difficult not to fault the coaching based on those results. Personally speaking, I have not been overly impressed with Wilton’s overall record. He has a pretty good overall winning percent. But his post season record isn’t nearly as good. If I am adding this correctly (and I could very well be mistaken), he is 10-14 in the MPSF tournament in 17 years as the head coach. Hawaii has only been to the MSPF championship match 3 times (1995, 2001, 2002). Those were the years that Hawaii had a foreign player (Katz and Costas) who came in and already had a pretty refined game. And as GSoBB noted, Hawaii has never won an MPSF tournament title. Also in the MPSF tournament, I believe Hawaii has been upset by a lower seed at least 4 times (1996, 1998, 2003, 2006). Hawaii has only been on the upstart once in 2001 against top seed BYU in the MPSF semi-final in Provo. In addition, I think Hawaii’s last win in the MPSF tournament was in 2003. Again, just to note, this may not be 100% accurate. There have been so many changes in the MPSF format that I may have missed something. I know when there were two divisions in the past, a team with a better record might be the lower seed simply based on their division and schedule. To answer your question, "how is the assessment kicking someone when they are down?" First, you need to read my entire post for context. I will state it again in different terms: there is a Wilton bashing element on this forum. When UH does poorly, it's all Wilton's fault. When he does well, it's not to his credit, it's because of the players. Read some of your older posts and those of others. You'll see how people loved to kick him while he's down this season. If you don't know what I mean... forget it, there's no hope for you. lol. I chose to balance his defeats with his successes. It's called objectivity. Objectivity cannot exist in a biased atmosphere so I'm not surprised that you don't understand what I'm saying. About your meritocracy comment. Almost every D-1 volleyball team in the country runs a competitive cauldron. According to the following link, Wilton's cauldron resets every 12 days. That's how the big boys do it. By the way, the article is from the 2006 season when UH went 19-3 in conference. You can't knock the cauldron. the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/25/sp/FP601250341.html
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Post by roy on Apr 17, 2009 3:16:57 GMT -5
To answer your question, "how is the assessment kicking someone when they are down?" First, you need to read my entire post for context. I will state it again in different terms: there is a Wilton bashing element on this forum. When UH does poorly, it's all Wilton's fault. When he does well, it's not to his credit, it's because of the players. Read some of your older posts and those of others. You'll see how people loved to kick him while he's down this season. If you don't know what I mean... forget it, there's no hope for you. lol. I chose to balance his defeats with his successes. It's called objectivity. Objectivity cannot exist in a biased atmosphere so I'm not surprised that you don't understand what I'm saying. About your meritocracy comment. Almost every D-1 volleyball team in the country runs a competitive cauldron. According to the following link, Wilton's cauldron resets every 12 days. That's how the big boys do it. By the way, the article is from the 2006 season when UH went 19-3 in conference. You can't knock the cauldron. the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/25/sp/FP601250341.htmlWell, it seems we simply have to agree that we disagree. Whether there is any hope for me or not is now pretty much moot. Wilton is retiring and I will continue to have my opinion and you will continue to have yours. Regarding the meritocracy, that is exactly my point. You weight heavily on the most recent. While Wilton has had success in the past, the fact remains that whether you give all the credit or fault to the players, coaches, or whomever, Hawaii has had 3 straight losing season. So like the cauldron, fans also tend to weight more heavily on recent results over past success.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 17, 2009 10:02:05 GMT -5
So, anyone know what Tony Crabbe is doing nowdays? Think he still might be interested in coaching men's volleyball?
I think Allen Allen or Scott Wong would be good choices. They would have to grow into the adminstrative duties of the position, and would have to rely heavily on others in the Athletic Department, but the coaching part would be a good fit for either one of them.
Presho would be a diasater.
I don't see Sealy's leadership potential at all.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 17, 2009 10:30:44 GMT -5
Oh, there's a lot there if you are insightful enough to read between the lines. What IS there are facts from someone who actually deals with the coaches - not a bunch of speculation like this forum from wannabes and jaded fans. So, with 16 posts, you can't really be jaded. We'll classify you as a wannabee.
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Post by vblocker15 on Apr 17, 2009 11:24:25 GMT -5
In addition, I think Hawaii’s last win in the MPSF tournament was in 2003. While this is true, it is a little misleading because the playoff game they won was a play-in match (#7 vs #8) and they ended up losing the quarters to UCI in a heartbreaking 5 game match in the overheated Crawford Hall. I think this is a great thread and I am coming away with the impression that Wilton is probably the same guy coaching-wise that he was 8 years ago, but since the Bows have run into a streak of rough times, everyone is magnifying his faults and trying to shift the blame one him and get him out. While it is not entirely his fault, that is just the reality of the head coaching position. It is their responsibility to train and put a winning time on the court. Best of luck to the HI AD in selecting a new head coach to return the Bows to its winning(er) ways. While most of the world might not really care at all, us Vtalkers will dissect and criticize your selection with utmost care. No pressure ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2009 14:26:44 GMT -5
So apparently Charlie Wade IS applying. Wow, the missus must be homesick.
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Post by bunnywailer on Apr 17, 2009 16:31:08 GMT -5
I don't know why all the doofuses on this thread are trying to use what Mike Wilton did 7-12 years ago as justification for his legacy as UH's mens volleyball coach.
It's painfully obvious that when Wilton signed his last contract extension in 2006 that he intended it to be his final stint with the program, and he pretty much dialed it in since then. His "I'm already retired even though I come to the office and the gym everyday" approach to his final 3 years are the single biggest reason that UH has been on a steady decline since the 2007 season. Look it up, it's all right there in the results.
I don't care how anyone tries to justify it, any coach that has been with a program for that many years should not have sabotaged it on his way out and left it the state it will be in for the next coach.
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Post by ucsdfan on Apr 17, 2009 18:55:28 GMT -5
Also, I think after 17 years of Wilton's marine-style leadership, the program needs a player's coach - someone like a Speraw or a Kosty or a Campbell. That nails it all right on the head. Filling seats comes from winning and recruiting comes from effort and personality. Get a player's coach and that will happen. My money's on Scott Wong.
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Post by jr67 on Apr 17, 2009 20:20:45 GMT -5
If Charlie Wade has indeed applied, then my money's on him.
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Post by setaone on Apr 17, 2009 22:57:14 GMT -5
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