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Post by volleyone on Apr 19, 2009 18:31:54 GMT -5
It's hard to say. On any given day they are probably even. The difference is that Stanford has a much harder time recruiting than USC. There is no comparison. SC can get anyone in. Stanford has MUCH more stringent academic standards than anywhere else, and there are no exceptions. Therefore one should conclude that the coaching is better at Stanford. They also don't have the size or height that SC has. But-having said that, they have gotten better as the season has gone on and SC has gotten worse. My conclusion-Kosty is a better coach. So given raw talent, SC has the advantage. Given brains and coaching, Stanford is ahead. The fact of the matter is that Bourne and Dennis have left a big hole on whatever side they are playing on, and any coach with a brain will capitalize on it. OK, Bourne played OK vs. UCLA. I saw the match and as I recall everyone hit above .300. There was no block-on either side. Bourne passes well, better than Morris actually. I would make him the libero.
Nothing will change next year. The hole will still be where it is and frankly, I don't see Ferguson getting any smarter or more of a motivator. My guess, is they'll be 4th next year also.
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Post by cheeseburger on Apr 19, 2009 19:35:54 GMT -5
...and USC did beat both UCLA and UCSD at home easily... so it's kinda ok that usc lost to ucsd on the road?!?! sorry, usc should never lose to ucsd. and this year, they shouldn't lose to hawaii, either.
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Post by KalihiVballFan on Apr 19, 2009 19:37:01 GMT -5
The past two nights, the player that I enjoyed watching was Strotman. I hope he returns next season. Yes, Joseph Strotman is fun to watch. He brings a lot of emotion with his game. Oh.....and he's oooooohhhhh so cute!
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Post by KalihiVballFan on Apr 19, 2009 19:38:48 GMT -5
TRi Bourne once again did USC in.. IF USC had another capable hitter next to TRoy and Ciarelli who knows how good the Trojans would be.. I can't wait for Maddison Mckibbin next year. The coach should've given Jon Hackett a try at playing outside. Oh.....and he's oooooohhhh so handsome!
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Post by volleyone on Apr 19, 2009 20:03:58 GMT -5
no SC should technically not have lost to UCSD or to Hawaii anywhere-given the talent they have boasted about. 30Kills always makes excuses. They're young, they are playing away, Tri was injured, etc. Let's face it they have been out coached. Is there any other reason you can think of? Or, is it politically incorrect to call a spade a spade, since it's only Ferguson's third season as head coach? Look at Speraw. Look at Campbell. Do you really think that they recruited that much more raw talent?
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Post by volleyone on Apr 19, 2009 20:16:39 GMT -5
Another thought, anyone lost 5 of the last 6 matches of the season, can you IMAGINE not changing anything? That's SC's coaching. If it's broken, why fix it. Note: not ONE change in line up with a bench that deep...it's pathetic.
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Post by ucsdfan on Apr 20, 2009 0:48:29 GMT -5
Do you mean to tell me with the way SC touts all its great recruiting classes for the past 3 years and a bench 30 feet deep they have no other hitters? You are waiting for another high school kid to arrive? And next year's excuse will be that he's just an underclassman. Yeah right. GET A GRIP! Ferguson has now been outcoached by UCSD, UCLA, Hawaii...and well, you wouldn't expect him to beat CSUN, UCI or Pepp. But Hawaii??? Once again, SC has gotten WORSE as the season has progressed. Too bad, all of that talent, all the hype. Let's see, now Well put. That sums up USC in the Ferguson era to perfection. Nice enough guy who's a great recruiter but not a very good coach or developer of potential. I heard so many people a couple years ago talk about how good USC was going to be as they hyped each new recruiting class. In all of this I really feel for Murphy Troy, because had he gone to a different school (Pepperdine, CSUN, or Stanford for instance), he could have really developed. He's an amazing talent who will start his chase to make the National team playing catch up with people of his same entering year. You could put together a pretty amazing team of solid players who had their talent wasted and would have developed better in another environment (like Troy, Wade at UCLA, Cory Yoder at UCI, Jordan Inafuku at Stanford, Cole Reinholm at UCI, and Westwon Dunlap at UCLA to name a few). Some players make the list because of the numbers game at their particular school while others get plenty of playing time, but don't get the coaching that would optimize their talent.
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Post by 30killspergame on Apr 20, 2009 7:13:00 GMT -5
Do you mean to tell me with the way SC touts all its great recruiting classes for the past 3 years and a bench 30 feet deep they have no other hitters? You are waiting for another high school kid to arrive? And next year's excuse will be that he's just an underclassman. Yeah right. GET A GRIP! Ferguson has now been outcoached by UCSD, UCLA, Hawaii...and well, you wouldn't expect him to beat CSUN, UCI or Pepp. But Hawaii??? Once again, SC has gotten WORSE as the season has progressed. Too bad, all of that talent, all the hype. Let's see, now Well put. That sums up USC in the Ferguson era to perfection. Nice enough guy who's a great recruiter but not a very good coach or developer of potential. I heard so many people a couple years ago talk about how good USC was going to be as they hyped each new recruiting class. In all of this I really feel for Murphy Troy, because had he gone to a different school (Pepperdine, CSUN, or Stanford for instance), he could have really developed. He's an amazing talent who will start his chase to make the National team playing catch up with people of his same entering year. You could put together a pretty amazing team of solid players who had their talent wasted and would have developed better in another environment (like Troy, Wade at UCLA, Cory Yoder at UCI, Jordan Inafuku at Stanford, Cole Reinholm at UCI, and Westwon Dunlap at UCLA to name a few). Some players make the list because of the numbers game at their particular school while others get plenty of playing time, but don't get the coaching that would optimize their talent. This person usually has no idea what he or she is talking about. Why would any imbecile question the development of someone who is about to be first teamm AA as a 19 year old sophmore..
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Post by 30killspergame on Apr 20, 2009 7:15:32 GMT -5
It's hard to say. On any given day they are probably even. The difference is that Stanford has a much harder time recruiting than USC. There is no comparison. SC can get anyone in. Stanford has MUCH more stringent academic standards than anywhere else, and there are no exceptions. Therefore one should conclude that the coaching is better at Stanford. They also don't have the size or height that SC has. But-having said that, they have gotten better as the season has gone on and SC has gotten worse. My conclusion-Kosty is a better coach. So given raw talent, SC has the advantage. Given brains and coaching, Stanford is ahead. The fact of the matter is that Bourne and Dennis have left a big hole on whatever side they are playing on, and any coach with a brain will capitalize on it. OK, Bourne played OK vs. UCLA. I saw the match and as I recall everyone hit above .300. There was no block-on either side. Bourne passes well, better than Morris actually. I would make him the libero. Nothing will change next year. The hole will still be where it is and frankly, I don't see Ferguson getting any smarter or more of a motivator. My guess, is they'll be 4th next year also. Stanford has more big time recruits than USC.. lawson, shoji, romero, mclachin,ellis.. All number one targets out of high at their position.. USC has Troy and Zahn and other other are just average-good players out of high school.
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Post by vballfan on Apr 20, 2009 9:56:55 GMT -5
what about McKibben? What about Schelenberg? What about Bourne? They were all on the national team...are you kidding? Frankly, I am probably missing some. They haven't even played Schelenberg since the beginning of his junior year, even though by the numbers, and from what I recall watching him, he was ALOT better as a sophomore than Bourne or Dennis. I don't think he has really played since then though...that's how deep that bench is with talent. There is so much talent on SC's bench it's not funny.
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Post by vballfan on Apr 20, 2009 10:05:17 GMT -5
Troy is great, I agree with UCSD. He has NOT improved much at SC....sorry 30, but his numbers since they moved him to opposite have gone south. He is NOT the #1,2,or 3 opposite in the MPSF. THey moved him because he cannot pass, or block for that matter.
I also agree with volleyone. SC loses 5 of 6 matches at the end of the season, when they should be getting better, to Hawaii, UCSD, UCLA (sorry they did NOT have a great year), and they NEVER change anything. They are idiots.
Bottom line-if a great player wants to go to USC, great. It's a good school, fun school, etc. But not for volleyball, and that doesn't look like it will change-even with all of the "hype"...
Frankly, from what I have heard, Killian, Juan and CJ did most of the recruiting anyway. Ask the freshmen and sophomores...they created great, fun weekends for recruits. Ferguson is an ok guy, but USC is a great place to go to school, and alot easier to recruit for than CSUN, UCI, and Hawaii, that's for sure.
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Post by cheeseburger on Apr 20, 2009 13:56:50 GMT -5
Stanford has more big time recruits than USC.. lawson, shoji, romero, mclachin,ellis.. All number one targets out of high at their position... USC has Troy and Zahn and other other are just average-good players out of high school. this might be the most ridiculous thing "30" has ever said, and he's said a lot! you couldn't be any better an apologist for usc. and enough with the "they're only sophs/freshmen" schtick. uci has rs frosh carson clark keeping all-american jon steller on the bench. they either can ball or they can't.
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Post by vballfan on Apr 20, 2009 14:14:25 GMT -5
Cheesburger, you are ON the money. 30 has made some amazingly rediculous posts, excuses, etc. Let's face it, they lost to Hawaii. Pretty amazing with all of their "talent" playing, and to UCSD, and to UCLA. Quite simply, they were outcoached, and SC does NOTHING about it. Now he says they only recruited 2 top players, and he's waiting for a kid from high school to save them next year. Good luck!
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Post by vballfan on Apr 20, 2009 14:18:13 GMT -5
If Troy got into Stanford and was given $, he is a FOOL for passing it up for SC volleyball. I heard he was smart. That was a bonehead move. Are you sure that's true? If he wanted to make a career out of volleyball he should NEVER have picked SC or Ferguson. I think Brook Billings was the last great player SC created, and Ferguson.... ? A great coach or player? ? NO WAY. On the other hand if he didn't get into Stanford, and SC gave him 100%, and he wants a real job when he graduates, it's not a bad decision.
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Post by 30killspergame on Apr 20, 2009 14:22:18 GMT -5
After reading some of this nonsense I am convinced that no one here watches games. For example the imbecile who claimed that Troy can't block.. Lol.. Teams don't even set anywhere near him. They usually attack current/bourne/dennis.. They stay away from Austin and Troy but of course you wouldn't know that if you don't watch.
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