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Post by volleyballfan2 on May 11, 2009 1:09:30 GMT -5
Would that be classified as creepy behavior?
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Post by ciscokeed on May 11, 2009 8:38:43 GMT -5
Apologies in my reference to Karch talking during his youth. I did not mean to compare Ciarelli and Karch in terms of ability, just in terms of youthful fire.... Karch could jump- really really high- Ciarelli is skilled, but his lack of vertical will prevent him from getting to the international level... But, I do understand his competitiveness and I forgive him for playing like a freshman. And as much as I dislike USC- old habits die hard, I loved the feistiness and energy they played with, and I think that Ciarelli will only grow from the experience....Personally, I was perfect as a freshman....
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Post by bigfan on May 11, 2009 10:10:29 GMT -5
Pulling for USC, but UCI in 5. Congrats to UCI!
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Post by bigfan on May 11, 2009 10:11:46 GMT -5
What? USC lost the match? Frick, it's gotta be the coaching... No its Mike Garrett.
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Post by volleyballa on May 11, 2009 12:32:57 GMT -5
The libero did not have a camera shoved in his. The photographer was taking pictures of someone from USC (don't know which person) from about 15 feet away. The USC guy was bending over and had his head in a shirt or jacket and I guess didn't like his picture being taken and started to go after the photographer. It looked ridiculous and extremely immature!
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Post by shankapotamus on May 11, 2009 13:42:54 GMT -5
I was at the match and McKibben needs to tone down the whining. The guy is an incredible player and does his team a disservice by crying to Rick Olmstead, "Where's the touch?", "That was out!", "They netted!", etc. Why do I know this? Because I was sitting courtside. I enjoyed watching Troy play this weekend. I'm hoping that he could be team captain and refocus the team's competitive attitude. They would, a) play better, and b) be more respected.
From what I understand, the Irvine team had some great motivation the morning of the championship match. On the cover of the Provo newspaper BYU Head Coach, Shawn Patchell, picked USC to win in 4. How fitting that Irvine crushed SC in the 4th set 30-17? That could have well pushed Irvine over the top. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
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Post by cheeseburger on May 11, 2009 18:35:03 GMT -5
so, was anyone else chuckling when fergie had to try & quickly waddle out of ciarelli's way in game 4, when tony was pursuing a ball towards the sc bench? that would have been some kinda collision if ciarelli had rolled ferguson like a usc free safety...
(full disclosure: i don't have much more agility than bill does! lol)
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Post by lovaza on May 12, 2009 11:52:32 GMT -5
Any takes on the crowd at the championship match. Looked like UCI fans outnumbered USC fans especially among students. Read on another thread that the attendance was around 2000 in 2007 at Columbus. Actually it was closer to 5000 around 4800. It was bolstered a lot by about 1800 IPFW fans but was definitely a lot larger than the 3000 that were there in Provo. Given the fact that there were 2 teams from southern ca. in the finals and no BYU students around it wasn't too bad and the fans that were there seemed very enthusiastic. Any comments? There would have been more USC studens/bosters etc.. but they were in Maryland for the Women's water polo final(USC vs UCLA) USC lost...
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Post by lovaza on May 12, 2009 12:00:38 GMT -5
Another Trojan choke...f****ckin awesome! I'm not a big USC fan (public school versus private school thing), but there is no way you can call their performance a choke. In game 5 at the turn, they were up 8-6, but not in control of the match. You'd have to be in control and then lose to call it a choke. The momentum just shifted from that point. Had that game been to 30, it could have swung another two to three times. I am still impressed by how they came together at the end. You have to make them one of the favorites to win it next year, with the confidence this run gave them. Baloney. They choked away leads in each game and were out-coached. But the real separation was blocking and setting. UCI out-blocked USC and the UCI setter was way better than USC's. Finally you said it best, " I have to believe that the loss at UCLA was in their heads as this game was closing out." They just choked...
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Post by ucsdfan on May 12, 2009 12:23:09 GMT -5
Baloney. They choked away leads in each game and were out-coached. But the real separation was blocking and setting. UCI out-blocked USC and the UCI setter was way better than USC's. Finally you said it best, "I have to believe that the loss at UCLA was in their heads as this game was closing out." They just choked... Choked is a strong word that takes away what UCI accomplished. If you look at UCI's approach to that game 5, there was no way they were going to lose. They looked like Octamom heading into a fertility clinic: they were not going to be denied. USC did not choke, because there was no point in the match when you could say that they had the match won. They had momentum at different points in games 1, 3, and 5, but UCI methodically realed them in each time. As for Ferguson being outcoached by Speraw, I think that happened long before the teams ever stepped foot on the court. UCI's coolness under pressure and smart approach to the service line reflected a well trained team. USC's erratic mood swings during the match reflected their lacking of coaching and minimal preparation. If you judge strictly by raw talent, then USC was better than UCI at pretty much every position on the court (except libero). The USC starters all came into college with better accollades than the UCI starters. But Speraw's team philosophy and the court precision his players learn make them better volleyball players despite having less raw talent when they started college. USC's players are great leapers, hitters, etc..., but as their record shows, they don't learn the game and it's mental aspects as well as players at most other schools. Since Speraw arrived at UCI, the system has been honed in and players have bought into it. Maybe with the second championship, his recruiting will get easier. He clearly knows how to recognize potential and develop talent, but it would be great if he could pull a couple blue chips rather than recognizing the gems others fail to notice. Could you imagine how great Murphy Troy would be at UCI? His kill numbers wouldn't be as high in an offense centered around the team concept, but he could very well hit .500 as an opposite in that system. I just don't understand how a kid that calm and humble on the court ended up at USC. He seems like a much better fit for Pepperdine or UCI. Maybe having a professional football team on campus, and thus a more typical college experience, was a good selling point.
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Post by alby on May 12, 2009 12:41:00 GMT -5
I was looking for the Ammerman blooper, but found this:
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Post by 30killspergame on May 13, 2009 9:41:30 GMT -5
Baloney. They choked away leads in each game and were out-coached. But the real separation was blocking and setting. UCI out-blocked USC and the UCI setter was way better than USC's. Finally you said it best, "I have to believe that the loss at UCLA was in their heads as this game was closing out." They just choked... Choked is a strong word that takes away what UCI accomplished. If you look at UCI's approach to that game 5, there was no way they were going to lose. They looked like Octamom heading into a fertility clinic: they were not going to be denied. USC did not choke, because there was no point in the match when you could say that they had the match won. They had momentum at different points in games 1, 3, and 5, but UCI methodically realed them in each time. As for Ferguson being outcoached by Speraw, I think that happened long before the teams ever stepped foot on the court. UCI's coolness under pressure and smart approach to the service line reflected a well trained team. USC's erratic mood swings during the match reflected their lacking of coaching and minimal preparation. If you judge strictly by raw talent, then USC was better than UCI at pretty much every position on the court (except libero). The USC starters all came into college with better accollades than the UCI starters. But Speraw's team philosophy and the court precision his players learn make them better volleyball players despite having less raw talent when they started college. USC's players are great leapers, hitters, etc..., but as their record shows, they don't learn the game and it's mental aspects as well as players at most other schools. Since Speraw arrived at UCI, the system has been honed in and players have bought into it. Maybe with the second championship, his recruiting will get easier. He clearly knows how to recognize potential and develop talent, but it would be great if he could pull a couple blue chips rather than recognizing the gems others fail to notice. Could you imagine how great Murphy Troy would be at UCI? His kill numbers wouldn't be as high in an offense centered around the team concept, but he could very well hit .500 as an opposite in that system. I just don't understand how a kid that calm and humble on the court ended up at USC. He seems like a much better fit for Pepperdine or UCI. Maybe having a professional football team on campus, and thus a more typical college experience, was a good selling point. Lol what a joke this statement is.. Other than Ciarelli, humble would be the right way to desribe the rest of the team. Try being a little more objective for once? I know it's hard for you but try it.. And for crying out loud keep in mind your posts are only your opinions. Do not try to pass them off as facts. Carson Clark was more highly touted out of HS than any USC player with the exception of Troy and plus UCI is a lot more experienced. Once again go look for some facts. UCLA still has the best players on paper as evidenced by the preseason poll. Other coaches throughout the MPSF say UCLA is the most talented. Go bag on scates for a little while, leave fergie alone. Ok? good.
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Post by notsocal2 on May 13, 2009 9:59:33 GMT -5
I'm all for wondering where UCLA is going, going, gone, ... They are certainly in some kind of funk. They certainly still attract solid individual players. Seemed to be one of the least interested teams out there this year in terms of seeming to have some energy. I liked their switch to ker at setter later in the year - may not be a top, tip mpsf setter, but has some energy, experience, ... I just like the way he plays, but somehow they are missing some mojo.
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Post by ucsdfan on May 13, 2009 13:36:23 GMT -5
I'm all for wondering where UCLA is going, going, gone, ... They are certainly in some kind of funk. They certainly still attract solid individual players. Seemed to be one of the least interested teams out there this year in terms of seeming to have some energy. I liked their switch to ker at setter later in the year - may not be a top, tip mpsf setter, but has some energy, experience, ... I just like the way he plays, but somehow they are missing some mojo. They really miss Sealy. He was the glue in practice. They certainly have talented players. O'Malley came in with better high school stats than Rooney coming from the same area, but he never panned out. It looked like he believed all of his press clippings about being a star and didn't need to work at it. His passing alone could make talented setters such as Wade and Ker look bad. Wade is the player I feel terrible for. Had he gone to a different school, I truly believe he could have been an All American. I don't think a shortage of talent impacts UCLA as much as the lack of energy and enthusiasm you mention. You are right on the mark. I tend to think that their arrogance is also damaging. UCI is a humble team, and it works well in Speraw's system. CSZUN is cocky with, but with a chip on their shoulder, which works for Campbell quite well. If Al doesn't want to put time into practices, then why would his players? The blue curtain is where a whole bunch of potential fizzles out. With the exception of two years ago, they have had a top three recruiting class (at least on paper). Last years group was pretty solid as well and have panned out early. But as has been the case with Scates and new shiny objects, they disappear and are forgotten soon. If that happens to any of their freshman from this year (which it will based on what Al has done to so many kids over the years), then it will be another case of more wasted talent in Westwood. I know people will defend Scates as the greatest coach ever, and it will be the same rhetoric as it was the last couple of off seasons. But until the program changes coaches, they will be a reflection of his attitude. The arrogance about them just doesn't hold anymore. It would be great if Garrett's personality could take over the team. Maybe this new crop of freshman players (Vogle, Polales, and Amberg) along with Garrett playing his heart out and staying healthy his senior year will lead to better results next year. Garrett is a great young man and hopefully he'll get his due. But with Scates at the helm, it's bound to be more of the same. Eventually UCLA fans will stop defending the greatest coach of all time and realize that the program means more than an individual. Wooden was classy enough to walk away before father time kicked his butt. Too bad Al didn't follow John Wooden's lead.
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Post by cheeseburger on May 13, 2009 13:41:18 GMT -5
Other than Ciarelli, humble would be the right way to desribe the rest of the team. Try being a little more objective for once? I know it's hard for you but try it.. And for crying out loud keep in mind your posts are only your opinions. Do not try to pass them off as facts. the last time i looked, it was not possible to statistically measure humility, which would make your statement about the majority of the usc team being humble a subjective, not objective, statement - and certainly not factual. ...leave fergie alone. Ok? geez, are you gonna go and beat ucsdfan up, or just stomp away and cry in the corner?
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