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Post by panicvb on Aug 3, 2015 9:40:19 GMT -5
I think Anderson was on $1m net per year before he took his leave of abscence.
Are those the total budgets? 15 players, probably staffs of 10 full timers.. those numbers seem pretty reasonable.
GM 100k Coach 100k
Assistants - 60k (2) Marketing director 70k
Office staff: 3 x 50k
540k
Star player 400k 5 starters 200k each 1.4k Total is
Bench players: 60k x9: 540k
2.5 seems doable.
Lower number as needed for players.
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Post by sorrirmais on Aug 6, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
I think Anderson was on $1m net per year before he took his leave of abscence. Are those the total budgets? 15 players, probably staffs of 10 full timers.. those numbers seem pretty reasonable. GM 100k Coach 100k Assistants - 60k (2) Marketing director 70k Office staff: 3 x 50k 540k Star player 400k 5 starters 200k each 1.4k Total is Bench players: 60k x9: 540k 2.5 seems doable. Lower number as needed for players. Looking at this breakdown I'm telling myself, "Sheesh, that's a lot of money for one season and it's not even a full calendar year's worth." Then I think about recent CBA's over the past few years involving American sports. We're spoiled. Zenit's one of if not the wealthiest club in EU.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Aug 7, 2015 7:52:36 GMT -5
yes you can go from playing on a club team to playing overseas. There are a ton of pro teams at various levels. Cal has had several playing in Sweden and one for some 6-7 years, League MVP most years there....and now a coach there. He was a VERY strong player here. You would want to seriously consider going on some trips that Bring It or any other group sets up so players can be seen in Europe. Obviously D1 NCAA level players have immediate credibility... Lets remember that boys volleyball just recently blew up (at least in the Midwest) at the collegiate level with options other than D1 and most D2. If you look at the NIRSA final four and what is now NCVF finalists the last few years they are popping up on PVL teams as well as over seas. Just because a kid went and played club doesn't mean he wasn't good enough, it is just saying the resources to get at a school with a funded program were not there as well as the knowledge. You take a look at those Arizona and Maryland teams from a decade ago and even the powerhouse that the WVC was with Marquette, Oshkosh (DYNASTY), and Lakeland (DYNASTY) all putting together multiple strings of top finishes shows the strength of rosters that I would argue could have beaten a ton of D1, D2, D3, and NAIA teams in that period.
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Post by gobears on Aug 7, 2015 15:51:04 GMT -5
I don't think a D2,D3,or NAIA team could have beaten the final four at club Nationals in the last 6,8 years or more.
You are right though, bvb, has gotten a lot better in the last 6,8 years. Out west, we have a ton of strong HS players.
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Post by volleyballbro (guru) on Aug 8, 2015 7:15:19 GMT -5
I don't think a D2,D3,or NAIA team could have beaten the final four at club Nationals in the last 6,8 years or more. You are right though, bvb, has gotten a lot better in the last 6,8 years. Out west, we have a ton of strong HS players. hahahahahahaahahahahahahaa you got to be kidding me. club level volleyball is complete trash. I would say 90% of D2 and Naia would absolutely brutalize club levels top 2 teams. even top 25% of d3 would role over top club teams. DI > DII > NAIA > D3 > Top 5 club teams. and dont get me started on the strength of the west in club volleyball.... only 1 of the top teams are west of the rockies. dude we get it that cal is a club program, but don't put club ball on a pedestal simply because you support it. www.ncvfvolleyball.org/Pages/mensranking2013.aspx
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Post by moderndaycoach on Aug 8, 2015 9:38:41 GMT -5
I don't think a D2,D3,or NAIA team could have beaten the final four at club Nationals in the last 6,8 years or more. You are right though, bvb, has gotten a lot better in the last 6,8 years. Out west, we have a ton of strong HS players. hahahahahahaahahahahahahaa you got to be kidding me. club level volleyball is complete trash. I would say 90% of D2 and Naia would absolutely brutalize club levels top 2 teams. even top 25% of d3 would role over top club teams. DI > DII > NAIA > D3 > Top 5 club teams. and dont get me started on the strength of the west in club volleyball.... only 1 of the top teams are west of the rockies. dude we get it that cal is a club program, but don't put club ball on a pedestal simply because you support it. www.ncvfvolleyball.org/Pages/mensranking2013.aspxI will disagree with the prior post but meet you in the middle on yours. The top 5 club teams in any given year would be in the hunt for a championship in D3 and NAIA, not the same for D1/D2 but certainly competetive. You have to remember that a lot of these club teams have guys that are ex Varsity players doing their masters, guys who went to school for school but then missed playing volleyball, and guys that just didn't know what to look for when deciding they might want to play volleyball after High School. While it is absolutely true for a lot of the club teams some, of these D3/NAIA teams are just scrubs. A lot of club guys could go play overseas, certainly not top dollar but it can happen. And sorry, but the dominance of volleyball across all levels is now the midwest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 10:05:25 GMT -5
hahahahahahaahahahahahahaa you got to be kidding me. club level volleyball is complete trash. I would say 90% of D2 and Naia would absolutely brutalize club levels top 2 teams. even top 25% of d3 would role over top club teams. DI > DII > NAIA > D3 > Top 5 club teams. and dont get me started on the strength of the west in club volleyball.... only 1 of the top teams are west of the rockies. dude we get it that cal is a club program, but don't put club ball on a pedestal simply because you support it. www.ncvfvolleyball.org/Pages/mensranking2013.aspxI will disagree with the prior post but meet you in the middle on yours. The top 5 club teams in any given year would be in the hunt for a championship in D3 and NAIA, not the same for D1/D2 but certainly competetive. You have to remember that a lot of these club teams have guys that are ex Varsity players doing their masters, guys who went to school for school but then missed playing volleyball, and guys that just didn't know what to look for when deciding they might want to play volleyball after High School. While it is absolutely true for a lot of the club teams some, of these D3/NAIA teams are just scrubs. A lot of club guys could go play overseas, certainly not top dollar but it can happen. And sorry, but the dominance of volleyball across all levels is now the midwest. This is all hogwash and all hypothetical. Name a few club guys that have gone overseas in the past ten years. Not former NCAA or NAIA athletes. I think the volleyball in the Midwest is getting better but not at the dominance stage. 10 years from now look back and then make an intelligent judgement.
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Post by volleyball11 on Aug 10, 2015 8:22:27 GMT -5
I don't think a D2,D3,or NAIA team could have beaten the final four at club Nationals in the last 6,8 years or more. You are right though, bvb, has gotten a lot better in the last 6,8 years. Out west, we have a ton of strong HS players. You're funny. D2/NAIA would beat all top club teams, and easily. It's borderline foolish to think the games would be close. There is a reason that, at least for the NAIA, only the JV teams play against the club teams.
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Post by sorrirmais on Aug 10, 2015 17:13:02 GMT -5
I don't think a D2,D3,or NAIA team could have beaten the final four at club Nationals in the last 6,8 years or more. You are right though, bvb, has gotten a lot better in the last 6,8 years. Out west, we have a ton of strong HS players. You're funny. D2/NAIA would beat all top club teams, and easily. It's borderline foolish to think the games would be close. There is a reason that, at least for the NAIA, only the JV teams play against the club teams. Off of the top of my head: Lewis, Grand Canyon, Cal Bap and Erskine are all D2. I honestly can't see any of the top club teams beating those programs, especially Lewis. Speaking for NAIA, I can't see the top club teams having the advantage against Mo Bap, Grand View or St. Ambrose either. With that being said, I don't think we should be undermining the talent that can be found in NCVF. Just can't see them competing at the level of the aforementioned programs when they all practice five days per week, and play/practice during both fall and spring semesters. But to bring everything back around to the topic of the thread: Regardless if you play DI, DII, DIII, NAIA or NCVF if a player is skilled enough at his position to execute at a high level there's a chance he can play overseas.
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Post by panicvb on Aug 10, 2015 23:29:19 GMT -5
So, playing in Europe....
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Post by Mac on Aug 12, 2015 17:38:59 GMT -5
Geeze, talk about going off string. Which countries and teams are causing fits for players, not paying, not honoring contracts, etc.? This is a crucial time for players having to make crucial decisions on where to play this upcoming season.
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Post by panicvb on Aug 12, 2015 20:30:54 GMT -5
From memory in the thread, and from my experience in soccer - Turkey, Greece, and Cyprus.
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Post by vb on Aug 25, 2015 16:37:32 GMT -5
Greece isn't getting a better?
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Post by panicvb on Aug 25, 2015 17:39:03 GMT -5
I would doubt it. The top clubs are usually very good about paying (in soccer), but after the top 4-5 clubs, it gets dicey. I had a soccer player over there who was injured in a game, missed 3 weeks, and they stopped paying him. He was their top scorer.
He returns from injury, they paid him most of what they owed him. He gets hurt again, broken cheekbone, money stopped, and they refused to pay for his surgery.
I can only assume that if they can't pay their soccer players, then they won't pay their vball players.
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Post by vballer97 on Sept 23, 2015 18:38:43 GMT -5
Hey,
I'm from Germany and I know a lot of guys playing professional everywhere in Europe as well as many top coaches.
I agree with you all that the situation in Greece and the other countries you listed is not good, I know a player that is still waiting on three wages as he played in Greece last year.
The rest of Europe from getting money is as following:
1. Russia (as said above up to 1 million $ a year) 2. Poland/Italy (I know from a secure source that top 6 players from PGE Skra Belchatow get from 120k to 350k a year, top clubs in Italy can pay this, too) 3. Turkey (no secure source but just in between no. 2 and 4. But I know for sure that they pay and have solid bases.) 4. Germany/France (France may be a little bit higher but not that much, money ranges from 50k at top clubs (BR Volleys, VFB Friedrichshafen) to about 25k at not so good clubs (a year)) 5.Spain, Finland, Italian 2nd Division, French 2nd Division ... (when it gets high maybe 16k for top players, 6k a year for worst.)
Of course, not all players get that money, especially youngsters get mostly about 12k a year. A flat (sometimes with other players) and a car is nearly everywhere included.
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