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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Nov 10, 2009 10:43:18 GMT -5
Would the fact that Illinois/Cincinnati and St Louis all played each other in the Illinois Preseason tournament preclude them from meeting there again? Gee, just add Illinois State and you would have a replay of the Sep tournament. Also, with this set-up, Tulane and LSU could meet in the second-round for their third match this season.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 10, 2009 10:47:19 GMT -5
I'd like to see the justification for Michigan State. Granted, they will end with a winning record (but not in conference), and have a good win at home (USC) early in the season along with a whole bunch of wins over generally soft teams, but I'd rather see a mid major team (such as in A-10, MAC, or MVC) which dominated in its conference and performed steadily all season get an at large bid. This is supposed to be an attempt to predict what the committee will do, so what you "would like to see" is not important. What matters is "what will the committee do?" While it is difficult to read their minds, it can be useful to look back over the years and see what they have done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2009 10:52:09 GMT -5
MSU will need more than 4 wins in the Big 10. Heck, I'm not sure 8-12 will do it (a 4-2 finish for the Spartans) this week. Probably depends on if that's good enough for 6th.
If Wisconsin doesn't qualify, that'll certainly help.
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Post by ohiostatetad on Nov 10, 2009 11:09:54 GMT -5
I would LOVE to host those rounds here at OSU.... I have students chomping at the bit for some NCAA tourney action in St. John.... Plus a match-up wth Ohio? Sweet! Coach Carlston v. his old school! Can we just adopt this NCAA?? Well, rr, your peeps might have to cough up tickets. I don't think BuckID gets you into tourneys. The NCAA is pretty stout w/ their rules (no throwing t-shirts, etc). And be careful for what you wish; in'05, the last time OSU played OU, the Buckeyes got schooled in 3.
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Post by thumpvb on Nov 10, 2009 11:33:17 GMT -5
What exactly does that have to do with anything?
The AVCA is a coaches association. It has no role in selecting the participants for the NCAAs. That would be the NCAA. If Kentucky doesn't get shipped it will have a lot more to do with their attendance figures than anything else.
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Post by rampageripster on Nov 10, 2009 11:38:30 GMT -5
I would LOVE to host those rounds here at OSU.... I have students chomping at the bit for some NCAA tourney action in St. John.... Plus a match-up wth Ohio? Sweet! Coach Carlston v. his old school! Can we just adopt this NCAA?? Well, rr, your peeps might have to cough up tickets. I don't think BuckID gets you into tourneys. The NCAA is pretty stout w/ their rules (no throwing t-shirts, etc). And be careful for what you wish; in'05, the last time OSU played OU, the Buckeyes got schooled in 3. psh, you underestimate Block "O" Volleyball... Men's Vball two years ago was the first time we offically sent students to post-season events, paying for tickets to the entire MIVA conference tourney. We'll be there in force.. I guarantee it.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 10, 2009 11:39:46 GMT -5
A potential concern about Kentucky is that there are so many good teams in the midwest that are competing for hosting sites. I think Kentucky has an edge being more SE, though. They are far enough away from Lincoln, Champagne, Ames, and Minneapolis, and potentially Ann Arbor. It's hard for me to imagine that all 4 (or 5) of these will host.
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Post by rampageripster on Nov 10, 2009 12:09:35 GMT -5
A potential concern about Kentucky is that there are so many good teams in the midwest that are competing for hosting sites. I think Kentucky has an edge being more SE, though. They are far enough away from Lincoln, Champagne, Ames, and Minneapolis, and potentially Ann Arbor. It's hard for me to imagine that all 4 (or 5) of these will host. What about Columbus?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 10, 2009 12:23:15 GMT -5
A potential concern about Kentucky is that there are so many good teams in the midwest that are competing for hosting sites. I think Kentucky has an edge being more SE, though. They are far enough away from Lincoln, Champagne, Ames, and Minneapolis, and potentially Ann Arbor. It's hard for me to imagine that all 4 (or 5) of these will host. What about Columbus? It's not out of the range of possibilities, either (I was thinking about that). If they were to beat Michigan when they play again, give them the edge over Ann Arbor, I'd say. Then again, I am not sure on their RPI, which appears to matter in these regards.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 10, 2009 12:33:33 GMT -5
Florida has every opportunity to play themselves into a much higher seed with their remaining schedule. Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee and Notre Dame are all RPI boosters if they can win those. Won't be easy, but that's what they have in front of them.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 10, 2009 13:06:40 GMT -5
Following is a VOLLEYBALL BRACKETOLOGY, attempting to anticipate how the tournament will be set up. ... I invite criticism and suggestions, either on line here or via pm. My first criticism: avoid using the word "bracketology" The phrase was coined by Joe Lunardi at ESPN, and is meant to describe the process of actually STUDYING the manner in which NCAA brackets are created, and then using that information to predict what they will be. Of course, that has been usurped by every hack college newspaper writer wannabee who thinks that it just means predicting brackets. Not at all. No offense, baywatcher, but you are not providing any real learned insight here. You are just throwing out your opinion. Not that that is wrong, but please don't confuse that with what Lunardi does and has done, which is to extensively analyze the committee's actions. Again, I'm not saying don't do what you have done, but avoid calling it "bracketology" No offense, PDub, but I'm giving you the "turd in the punchbowl" award for your post. Again, I'm not saying don't do what you have done, but avoid calling it criticism.
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Post by hammer on Nov 10, 2009 13:17:08 GMT -5
I'm for anything that extends the Pac-10 season. The more Pac-10 teams that play each other, the better. When that happens we are almost guaranteed two things -- 1) the games will be close, and 2) there won't be a sweep.
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Post by rampageripster on Nov 10, 2009 13:33:59 GMT -5
It's not out of the range of possibilities, either (I was thinking about that). If they were to beat Michigan when they play again, give them the edge over Ann Arbor, I'd say. Then again, I am not sure on their RPI, which appears to matter in these regards. If you look at the remainder of OSU's schedule, it's a good mix of middle-of-the-pack and big statement games. YOu've got N'western and Michigan at home and Purdue and Indiana on the road. I expect the Bucks to take care of business there. Toss in two huge home matches against Illinois and Michigan and you've got a recipe for a solid end of the season RPI.
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Post by qc on Nov 10, 2009 13:46:35 GMT -5
What exactly does that have to do with anything? The AVCA is a coaches association. It has no role in selecting the participants for the NCAAs. That would be the NCAA. If Kentucky doesn't get shipped it will have a lot more to do with their attendance figures than anything else. Where can one find the 2009 National Attendance figures?
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Post by SaltNPepper on Nov 10, 2009 14:04:02 GMT -5
It's not out of the range of possibilities, either (I was thinking about that). If they were to beat Michigan when they play again, give them the edge over Ann Arbor, I'd say. Then again, I am not sure on their RPI, which appears to matter in these regards. If you look at the remainder of OSU's schedule, it's a good mix of middle-of-the-pack and big statement games. YOu've got N'western and Michigan at home and Purdue and Indiana on the road. I expect the Bucks to take care of business there. Toss in two huge home matches against Illinois and Michigan and you've got a recipe for a solid end of the season RPI. There may be another minor point regarding the "end of the season RPI". The committee in the past has seemed to have a majority of their work done by the last Saturday - with maybe a review/tweeking of Saturday nights results if needed on Sunday before releasing the bracket. I think for all practical purposes a teams RPI through Friday is pretty close to what will get used for most of there bracketing. So don't count on a big win on Saturday night to give your team much of a boost nor a bad loss to hurt too much. It may be too late to have much of an impact on the decision.
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