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Post by pogoball on Jul 26, 2010 16:31:40 GMT -5
Country quota matches started today on the women's side.
USA entries on the women's side are the usual 4 teams, but that begs the question on the status of Ivy-Fendrick? They had broken up for the 2 AVP stops to partner with Hanson & Rutledge. However, with Hanson now partnering with Walsh, could they be going back together? They'll probably stay together this year internationally because of their accumulated points.
On the men's side, there will have to be a USA country-quota match tomorrow because Scott-Hyden have entered -- Very exciting! They're probably the second best team in America right now and it will be interesting to see how well they do internationally. Of course, they'll have to beat Jennings-Keenan in the quota match and win the extra qualifying matches to even make it to the main draw, but I'd expect them to do it.
I wonder if they were planning this all year, or if they entered out of concerns with the AVP?
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Post by johnbar on Jul 26, 2010 18:23:08 GMT -5
USA entries on the women's side are the usual 4 teams, but that begs the question on the status of Ivy-Fendrick? Future FIVB events list Fendrick/Hanson and Ivy/Rutledge, last time I checked. Maybe Walsh isn't playing internationally this year? She didn't last year. But then who will Fendrick play with domestically? (If there is a domestic tour.) |
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Post by pogoball on Jul 26, 2010 19:00:21 GMT -5
I hadn't thought to check ahead, good catch. I'm not sure on the time table on entering FIVB events as a team. Perhaps they need several weeks warning and these partners are stuck with each other for an extra week or so?
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Post by pumpkin on Jul 26, 2010 22:55:07 GMT -5
off the topic, so now do you think that more USA players will start playing FIVB tournaments due to the AVP'S status? ifso Walsh may just have to travel to get that level of competion... good luck to all the players on the AVP
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Post by pogoball on Jul 27, 2010 8:41:19 GMT -5
Yesterday, I was reading the main team entry list. I figured that it should be accurate once the tournament starts. Apparently not.
So, Sean Scott & John Hyden are not playing in this event. They are on the original team list, but they are not on any subsequent lists. So, there was no country-quota match for USA men. Jennings-Keenan will go through normal qualifying.
On the women's side, Ivy-Rutledge (not Ivy-Fendrick) will be playing this week, and they got a wild card right into the main draw. I don't know how they got that wild card, but good for them.
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Post by Not Me on Jul 27, 2010 11:57:52 GMT -5
off the topic, so now do you think that more USA players will start playing FIVB tournaments due to the AVP'S status? ifso Walsh may just have to travel to get that level of competion... good luck to all the players on the AVP The problem is with the country quotas. You could travel (with big cost) and then lose before you even get to a qualification matches. That's a huge financial risk. |
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Post by pogoball on Jul 28, 2010 7:55:42 GMT -5
So, the women's main draw starts today. Most teams just finished playing their first matches. Akers-Turner lost their first match, 17-19 in the 3rd against the lowest seed. Ivy Fendrick also lost their first match against the 16th seed. They'll play Larissa/Juliana next today, so they'll probably need to win their match tomorrow to make it to playoffs.
Keenan/Jennings won their first qualifying match and will play their second soon to make the main draw.
I just don't get the point system for seeding. How on earth does Kessy/Ross have the 6th seed? They've been seeded higher all year and last tournament they did poorly, but still finished in 5th. It doesn't make too much difference because as long as a team is top-8, they'll be the top seeds in their pool. Still, though, they've been probably the best team all season and losing points to go down to the 6th seed after finishing in 5th is an indictment of the process.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 28, 2010 11:19:33 GMT -5
off the topic, so now do you think that more USA players will start playing FIVB tournaments due to the AVP'S status? Next season yes.................this season no. |
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Post by bigfan on Jul 28, 2010 11:21:15 GMT -5
I just don't get the point system for seeding. How on earth does Kessy/Ross have the 6th seed? They've been seeded higher all year and last tournament they did poorly, but still finished in 5th. Maybe you could explain the point system to us. |
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Post by bcale on Jul 28, 2010 12:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by pogoball on Jul 28, 2010 13:40:03 GMT -5
I just don't get the point system for seeding. How on earth does Kessy/Ross have the 6th seed? They've been seeded higher all year and last tournament they did poorly, but still finished in 5th. Maybe you could explain the point system to us. Yikes. I took a look at the handbook and it's a pretty significant read. There are 3 different rankings and point systems: Entry points for entry into a tournament is based on the best 4 of last 5 tournaments. World Ranking which is based on a full season of some sort (I can't figure out whether it's the last 365 days or the current calendar year). There is also a technical world ranking for internal purposes. Honestly, I can't explain much more than that because I'll be sharing my incorrect understanding. The thing is that Kessy/Ross are ranked #3 in both the World Ranking and Technical Ranking. Since this is a grand slam event, I don't get how they end up as the #6 seed in the tournament given their ranking. If anyone out there understands the ranking system, please share... |
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Post by pogoball on Jul 28, 2010 13:45:37 GMT -5
Anyway, to finish the day....
For the American men: Jennings/Keenan won their final qualifier match and will play in the main draw.
For the women: Akers-Turner are in big trouble. They lost both their matches today. They must defeat Schwaiger/Schwaiger tomorrow to make the main draw. The problem is that Schwaiger/Schwaiger were the runner-up in the last tournament, so they are the hot team.
Kessy/Ross & Misty/Nicole both won their matches, so they are in good shape and looking for the first round bye tomorrow with wins. Ivy/Rutledge lost both their matches, but they play the lowest seed in the tournament tomorrow and they would qualify if they win tomorrow.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 28, 2010 13:59:29 GMT -5
World Ranking which is based on a full season of some sort (I can't figure out whether it's the last 365 days or the current calendar year). There is also a technical world ranking for internal purposes. This is probably why they are the 6th seed..............arcane rules that only FIVB can figure out. Thanks for the effort. I would be confused also, that is why I asked you for your input. |
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Post by beachvbfan on Jul 28, 2010 20:17:17 GMT -5
GO USA men tomorrow!
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Post by pogoball on Jul 29, 2010 9:11:28 GMT -5
The women's pool play finished up earlier today with the first round just starting: Akers/Turner withdrew due to injury. Let's hope that things are okay with them. It may explain how they lost their second match so easily yesterday. Ivy/Fendrick barely made it out of pool, winning their last match 20-18 in the 3rd. They play Liliana-Baquerizo of Spain (one of the teams from Akers/Turner pool) in the first round later today.
Misty/Nicole & Ross/Kessy both won their pools. Ross/Kessy were the beneficiaries of an injury withdrawal by Keizer-Van Iersel. They are on the opposite sides of the draw. Misty/Nicole are the only seed in the top-8 on their side of the draw. That sounds like a favorable draw, but given the odd method of seeding, I hesitate to draw any conclusions.
Keenan/Jennings and Fuerbringer/Lucena both lost their first pool matches. Rogers/Dalhausser played Gibb/Rosenthal AGAIN in pool and this time they came out the winner in a close 16-14 third set.
The odd thing about the Rogers/Dalhausser and Keenan/Jennings pools is that they played the matches out of order.
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