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Post by kalama on Aug 23, 2011 21:57:32 GMT -5
I meant to say Innocent students, alumni and community members will suffer because of these individuals. The same students, alumni, and community members who have benefited from the actions in the past? The same students, alumni, and community members who did not insist that the university take a stand against improper actions after the last round of sanctions? Nope, I don't feel sorry for them. As if everyone is involved. GMAB! |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 24, 2011 6:16:39 GMT -5
The same students, alumni, and community members who have benefited from the actions in the past? The same students, alumni, and community members who did not insist that the university take a stand against improper actions after the last round of sanctions? Nope, I don't feel sorry for them. As if everyone is involved. GMAB! I never said they were involved. I just said they all reaped the benefits of the illegal actions, and did not hold the school to a higher standard after the last round of infractions. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 24, 2011 8:53:44 GMT -5
The thing is, punishments for NCAA violations pretty much always hit the programs (and therefore potentially innocent players) after the violations are discovered. Does that mean there should never be any punishments? If so, why are there even any rules in the first place?
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Post by azvb on Aug 24, 2011 9:32:07 GMT -5
The thing is, punishments for NCAA violations pretty much always hit the programs (and therefore potentially innocent players) after the violations are discovered. Does that mean there should never be any punishments? If so, why are there even any rules in the first place? I'd like to see a scarlet "C" (cheater) tattoed on the forehead, or forearms, of all previous violators, (coaches and players) clear for all to see during NFL (or NBA) games. I would also like the announcers required to explain 50-60 times during said NFL (or NBA) games what the "C" means. What about those who don't go on to the pros? Too bad, still get a "C" on your forehead. Explain that during a job interview. |
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Post by Not Me on Aug 24, 2011 15:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by kalama on Aug 24, 2011 20:50:01 GMT -5
As if everyone is involved. GMAB! I never said they were involved. I just said they all reaped the benefits of the illegal actions, and did not hold the school to a higher standard after the last round of infractions. So if you're a student that "reaps the benefits because he/she may benefit from better science facilities", because of money that may have flowed from football, but the student does not follow sports, he/she should suffer because they did not hold the school to a higher standard after the infractions? You incorrectly assume that everyone follows sports. I have friends that went to Miami and they didn't care about their football team. They were their for academics only. |
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Post by kalama on Aug 24, 2011 20:50:49 GMT -5
For my friend Dean sho probably can't even name any coaches or players at Miami when he was there!
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 0:13:24 GMT -5
meant they were "there" for academics only. sorry
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2011 0:25:44 GMT -5
I never said they were involved. I just said they all reaped the benefits of the illegal actions, and did not hold the school to a higher standard after the last round of infractions. So if you're a student that "reaps the benefits because he/she may benefit from better science facilities", because of money that may have flowed from football, but the student does not follow sports, he/she should suffer because they did not hold the school to a higher standard after the infractions? You incorrectly assume that everyone follows sports. I have friends that went to Miami and they didn't care about their football team. They were their for academics only. This make little or no sense. If the student doesn't care about sports, why would the student care about the penalty either? |
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 1:27:44 GMT -5
So if you're a student that "reaps the benefits because he/she may benefit from better science facilities", because of money that may have flowed from football, but the student does not follow sports, he/she should suffer because they did not hold the school to a higher standard after the infractions? You incorrectly assume that everyone follows sports. I have friends that went to Miami and they didn't care about their football team. They were their for academics only. This make little or no sense. If the student doesn't care about sports, why would the student care about the penalty either? Because if they lose funding for their science facilities as in my example, they suffer. These innocent individuals should not suffer because they don't follow or care about football and therefore failed to act. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2011 1:36:19 GMT -5
This make little or no sense. If the student doesn't care about sports, why would the student care about the penalty either? Because if they lose funding for their science facilities as in my example, they suffer. These innocent individuals should not suffer because they don't follow or care about football and therefore failed to act. My school had plenty of funding for science facilities and we didn't even have an official football team until my second year there. Exactly how is a penalty on the football team supposed to make these science facilities disapparate? |
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 1:40:55 GMT -5
Because if they lose funding for their science facilities as in my example, they suffer. These innocent individuals should not suffer because they don't follow or care about football and therefore failed to act. My school had plenty of funding for science facilities and we didn't even have an official football team until my second year there. Exactly how is a penalty on the football team supposed to make these science facilities disapparate? Who said anything about disapparate? All I said is that some innocent people suffer. It can be facilities, supplies, equipment, tuition subsidies etc. Football monies often are distributed by Universities to academic facilities etc. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2011 1:43:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be better for the science programs just to hire some good scientists and get research funding the way other schools do?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 25, 2011 8:30:26 GMT -5
My school had plenty of funding for science facilities and we didn't even have an official football team until my second year there. Exactly how is a penalty on the football team supposed to make these science facilities disapparate? Who said anything about disapparate? All I said is that some innocent people suffer. It can be facilities, supplies, equipment, tuition subsidies etc. Football monies often are distributed by Universities to academic facilities etc. In what universe? And you still don't address the point. Even assuming your claim is true (it isn't), these same places that have been benefited from the football monies you claim being distributed would have benefited from the cheating that the football team did. You ride the gravy train of illegal actions, you will go down with them. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 25, 2011 8:51:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be better for the science programs just to hire some good scientists and get research funding the way other schools do? Of course, that is the way Miami seems to operate. But I still say, if it were true that they were relying on the football team to be funding science programs, then they deserve what they get. If an academic program is relying on the football team for funding, then they absolutely have a stake in ensuring that the football team is playing by the rules. Especially after the initial infractions, they have got to make sure they are clean. |
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