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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 14:01:56 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be better for the science programs just to hire some good scientists and get research funding the way other schools do? Of course, that is the way Miami seems to operate. But I still say, if it were true that they were relying on the football team to be funding science programs, then they deserve what they get. If an academic program is relying on the football team for funding, then they absolutely have a stake in ensuring that the football team is playing by the rules. Especially after the initial infractions, they have got to make sure they are clean. Bowl monies are paid to the Universities, not the athletic departments and the boards of regents determine how the monies are distributed. Commonly, much of the funds are distributed throughout the university, including athletics. Moreover, science and other departments do not "rely" on such funding. If such funding flows down to these departments, then they do benefit, but this does not somehow make these beneficiaries culpable.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2011 14:47:17 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be better for the science programs just to hire some good scientists and get research funding the way other schools do? Of course, that is the way Miami seems to operate. But I still say, if it were true that they were relying on the football team to be funding science programs, then they deserve what they get. If an academic program is relying on the football team for funding, then they absolutely have a stake in ensuring that the football team is playing by the rules. Especially after the initial infractions, they have got to make sure they are clean. 100% agree. That's why I questioned kalama's line of reasoning. He says there are completely innocent students being harmed by punishment. But I say either they are completely innocent (unconnected to and therefore unaffected by the athletic department), or else they are part of the system, reaping the rewards, and therefore also deserve to reap the penalties.
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 17:07:43 GMT -5
Of course, that is the way Miami seems to operate. But I still say, if it were true that they were relying on the football team to be funding science programs, then they deserve what they get. If an academic program is relying on the football team for funding, then they absolutely have a stake in ensuring that the football team is playing by the rules. Especially after the initial infractions, they have got to make sure they are clean. 100% agree. That's why I questioned kalama's line of reasoning. He says there are completely innocent students being harmed by punishment. But I say either they are completely innocent (unconnected to and therefore unaffected by the athletic department), or else they are part of the system, reaping the rewards, and therefore also deserve to reap the penalties. How is a student who is "unaffected by the athletic department" at Miami unaffected by the punishment? At a minimum, the punishment tarnishes the name of the school, thereby affecting all students. It affects contributors to various other departments who may not now donate to the school etc.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 25, 2011 18:48:21 GMT -5
How is a student who is "unaffected by the athletic department" at Miami unaffected by the punishment? At a minimum, the punishment tarnishes the name of the school, thereby affecting all students. It affects contributors to various other departments who may not now donate to the school etc. You just don't seem to get it. If the school was getting all these benefits that you are afraid they are about to lose, THEY WERE GETTING THEM BY CHEATING. They *SHOULD* lose them.
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 19:41:21 GMT -5
How is a student who is "unaffected by the athletic department" at Miami unaffected by the punishment? At a minimum, the punishment tarnishes the name of the school, thereby affecting all students. It affects contributors to various other departments who may not now donate to the school etc. You just don't seem to get it. If the school was getting all these benefits that you are afraid they are about to lose, THEY WERE GETTING THEM BY CHEATING. They *SHOULD* lose them. You're the one that never gets it. I said that Miami should get the death penalty but it was unfornate that certain innocent persons will suffer as well. That's all I said. Yes, Miami should be punished. You try and twist and lead people off tangents and then make up stuff.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 25, 2011 21:54:49 GMT -5
100% agree. That's why I questioned kalama's line of reasoning. He says there are completely innocent students being harmed by punishment. But I say either they are completely innocent (unconnected to and therefore unaffected by the athletic department), or else they are part of the system, reaping the rewards, and therefore also deserve to reap the penalties. How is a student who is "unaffected by the athletic department" at Miami unaffected by the punishment? At a minimum, the punishment tarnishes the name of the school, thereby affecting all students. But that "name of the school" was BUILT by cheating in the first place, and that HELPED all students. If they are going to ride the cheating wave, why should there be any sympathy when it takes them under? IOW, explain again, why would the death penalty be unfortunate?
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Post by kalama on Aug 25, 2011 22:15:27 GMT -5
How is a student who is "unaffected by the athletic department" at Miami unaffected by the punishment? At a minimum, the punishment tarnishes the name of the school, thereby affecting all students. But that "name of the school" was BUILT by cheating in the first place, and that HELPED all students. If they are going to ride the cheating wave, why should there be any sympathy when it takes them under? IOW, explain again, why would the death penalty be unfortunate? Like I said before, for students like my friend who chose to go there for academics, ie the business school, he didn't go there for the name "Miami" because of football. He would have went there even if Miami didn't have football. It would be unfortunate for people like him to be affected. I am talking about students that chose Miami for academics period. As someone stated earlier, he had a problem with people who knew about the illegal activities and did nothing about it. I can tell you that my friend who probably has never touched a football in his life, wouldn't have known if Miami was even playing a game. He wouldn't have known anything and so someone like him would have nothing to report. He goes there for an education period and now his school's name is tarnished. Just to be clear again, I agree that Miami deserves what sanctions are coming, but I feel sorry for my people in my friend's situation. That is all I am saying. It is my opinion and that's how I feel about it. I just don't like to generalize and find guilt by association. You disagree. That's fine.
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