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Oct 31, 2011 22:15:48 GMT -5
Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 31, 2011 22:15:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know if they practice on a aircraft carrier or a destroyer?
and, if Army having an RPI <100 doesn't debunk RPI as a useless overrated tool, nothing would.
2nd question, Do midshipmen stand thru-out the entire VB contest?
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Oct 31, 2011 22:20:44 GMT -5
Post by tomclen on Oct 31, 2011 22:20:44 GMT -5
2nd question, Do midshipmen stand thru-out the entire VB contest? Unless they're peeing.
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Oct 31, 2011 22:27:41 GMT -5
Post by ja on Oct 31, 2011 22:27:41 GMT -5
darthvolleyball thank you for the info, but honestly I was expecting them to do a whole lot better !Last year, if I am not mistaken, they won 1 conference game and as of today they have 1 conference win. Last year NAVY was 7-23 and as of today they are 6-19. Looking at the reminder of their schedule I can see maybe one more win. After winning at Hartford, I thought they are getting better, but I do not have the same feelings now.
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Oct 31, 2011 22:59:41 GMT -5
Post by bownlovingfreak on Oct 31, 2011 22:59:41 GMT -5
A couple of seasons ago one of the tv stations aired USC vs Navy I believe. Or it may have been in Army.
Anyways, in 2006 or so I remember Navy was one of the top teams in the Patriot League. So they have done well before.
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Nov 1, 2011 7:32:57 GMT -5
Post by darthvolleyball on Nov 1, 2011 7:32:57 GMT -5
darthvolleyball thank you for the info, but honestly I was expecting them to do a whole lot better !Last year, if I am not mistaken, they won 1 conference game and as of today they have 1 conference win. Last year NAVY was 7-23 and as of today they are 6-19. Looking at the reminder of their schedule I can see maybe one more win. After winning at Hartford, I thought they are getting better, but I do not have the same feelings now. Unfortunately Navy has a lot more 3-0 losses in conf this year than last year and their remaining schedule is against teams that beat them 3 sets to 0 already this year so I am not too hopeful of another win. Having said that I am also not sure that at this point in the process that wins and losses are the best measure of improvement. I think the best example of where the program is/was after the new coach took over is the fact that 3 recruited players were not deemed good enough to make the team during tryouts/early season practice. I believe that at some point during the season last year Mike knew he wasn't coming back and he checked out. There are girls playing at other D1 schools as freshmen that wanted to come to Navy but after September the recruiting activity stopped and they were picked up by other schools. This may have occured anyway but when recruiting basically shuts down for a year it is hard on a program. In addition there are three girls that started last year that have left the team for various reasons including not being at the academy any longer. For the past few years there have been very few senior girls on the team but the kids that would have been seniors are still at the academy. When the players are not dependent on a scholarship they can leave the team when they feel that the bad aspects out weigh the good aspects of being on the team. More bad than good has been the case for the last few years for many of the girls in the Navy program. Even with the fact that the program was at a very low point there are many signs of improvement. As I stated before practices are more focused, attention is being paid to a defensive system which was not the case before and the girls really want to be part of the program now. I think that coach Bock is the perfect person for this program. 1. He has a proven track record of working with and attracting good/great athletes that can play at this level but are overlooked due to being 5'10'' instead of six feet. 2. He has experience building a program without the normal things that players want coming out of high school, like scholarships etc. He will need this to find players that can meet the academy requirements and also play. 3. He is an exceptional coach who will be successful. The girls on the team are exceptional kids or they would not be at Navy. They are good athletes that need time to develop their talent, some of these kids playing were the back-ups on their club and school teams and are still a little raw in terms of volleyball skills. I think that your expectations may have been a little too high for the reality of the situation at Navy. I think that the improvement you are looking for will come in a couple of seasons when the new coach has a couple of recruiting classes in place.
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Nov 1, 2011 9:28:42 GMT -5
Post by jcvball22 on Nov 1, 2011 9:28:42 GMT -5
darthvolleyball thank you for the info, but honestly I was expecting them to do a whole lot better !Last year, if I am not mistaken, they won 1 conference game and as of today they have 1 conference win. Last year NAVY was 7-23 and as of today they are 6-19. Looking at the reminder of their schedule I can see maybe one more win. After winning at Hartford, I thought they are getting better, but I do not have the same feelings now. Well, maybe you should call up Coach Bock. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to hear your input on how they aren't improving. I mean, he is only the winningest coach in the history of the sport. I'm sure he doesn't have a plan or anything. They will improve. But it will take more than a year for any substantial changes to occur. I spoke with Larry just a few days ago. They have been working on more individualized goals, and positional/technique training in order to get the girls even to the level to compete. That takes time. There was no way this program was going to make the strides you seem to think they should have in such a shirt time. Let's see what happens after they have their own recruiting classes in there for a few years.
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Nov 1, 2011 12:27:02 GMT -5
Post by vbfamily on Nov 1, 2011 12:27:02 GMT -5
This may sound dumb, but many people underestimate how hard it is to win consistently in volleyball! No other sport except tennis has to start at 0 for each "quarter" and while teams may be able to take a set or two with lower skill levels, it is difficult to win 3! Just think how different football would be if they had to start at 0 each quarter.
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Nov 1, 2011 13:22:41 GMT -5
Post by volleymd on Nov 1, 2011 13:22:41 GMT -5
I would think a turn around at Navy would be even more difficult than your average program. Its not like you can get a jumpstart with a JUCO transfer or a foreign player. Even finding high school seniors would be tough given the time it takes in the application process to the Academy. I would think you'd have to look to the junior and soph class in high school in which case the turn around might take a while.
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Nov 1, 2011 16:16:54 GMT -5
Post by darthvolleyball on Nov 1, 2011 16:16:54 GMT -5
The application process for Navy (and the other Academy's are similar) is pretty straight forward and not as long as you might think.
In February of your junior year of high school you can apply for summer seminar. This application is also the start of your official application to the academy. Summer seminar is a competitive process where if you are selected you go do a week of simulated plebe summer at navy. You get to see what the academy is about and the academy gets an early look at you to see how you measure up.
Next step is the official application process that takes off in August before your senior year and involves a interview as well as your testing scores, medical exam, eye test and a number of recommendations from your HS teachers (math and science). You submit that and it is reviewed and if they want you you get a letter of assurance (LOA in navy talk) which means that if you secure a congressional, vice presidential, presidential or dept of defense nomination (current enlisted personnel applying) you will get an appointment to the academy. It is here that being a recruited athlete helps a little, as the athletic dept has reserved time with the admissions board and the coaches present the applications of the kids they would like in their program. This lets the athletes know pretty early if they made the cut or not.
Next you have to apply to your congressman etc. for your nomination which involves a selection committee, possibly an interview and more letters of recommendation. It is helpful if you have already secured an LOA and you can put that on your application as well.
So you have an LOA and a nomination those are the two things required for an appointment. This of course assumes you passed your physical and don't wear corrective lenses otherwise you need a medical waiver and that is another review board.
It is a difficult and stressful process but not really that different from a regular college application process. Oh I forgot the fitness test, there is a set of fitness tests that you have to complete in an hour, mile run, shuttle run, sit ups, push ups, pull ups etc that is usually administered by your high school coach.
The application window closes in January which is where the real difficulty arises during coaching changes, If I recall Coach Bock was hired in Feb meaning he could not recruit for kids entering the academy in 2011 which coupled with the minimal recruiting done by the prior coach left him with a dead year from a recruiting standpoint. ( I am not referring to the quality or talent of the freshman players only that the new coach was not able to recruit for this year.) Coach Bock would have been looking at juniors last spring in hopes of bringing them into the Plebe class starting in the summer of 2012.
So my point is the lead time to the first recruiting is not really that different from any school changing coaches. The selection criteria for applicants and the military commitment are the true hurdles he has to get over to succeed. I think that Navy had something like 17,500 applicants for about 1,100 slots. In addition the kids are committed to 5 years of service minimum upon graduation and closer to eight years for pilots and kids that go nukes (subs and carriers) because their training after graduation takes a couple years.
I think that Coach Bock is well suited to find the type of athletes that can succeed at the academy and as volleyball players. His reputation as one of the best coaches ever will be very attractive to the kind of kids that would consider an academy.
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Aug 29, 2014 20:56:35 GMT -5
Post by billygoat on Aug 29, 2014 20:56:35 GMT -5
A Big Season Ahead for Navy Volleyball and Coach Larry Bock
Navy volleyball fans will notice some major changes at Wesley Brown Field House this fall. The team will not only look different in new Under Armour uniforms, they will be different.
Three high school “Prep volleyball.com All Americans” will bring new energy and excitement to Navy court. Freshman Setter Rachel Fortner, and outside hitters Maggie Phillips, and Olivia Kluger, all earned All American Honors from PrepVolleyball.com during their high school careers. Fortner, named to Volleyball Magazine Fab 50 player list as a senior, was on a volleyball scholarship at the University of Dayton, before deciding to forgo that opportunity and join the Naval Academy. Her sister, Erin Fortner was a co-captain on last year’s 13-16 Navy team. Phillips, in addition to All-American honors as a junior and a senior, was named Virginia state player in her class in 2012 and 2013. Prep Volleyball All American, Kluger also received 2 all state honors.
The influx of “All American” talent will certainly increase the optics on 4th year Head Coach Larry Bock, and his staff. How good is the Coaching at Navy? This team will provide the answer to that question. Betting heavily on the freshman recruits, Bock, who historically has cut 5-6 players a season, cut 9 of his former recruits from the 2013 squad, including several starters, and the 2012 Patriot League Rookie Setter of the Year.
All Navy athletic teams have one major goal in every sport - Beat Army. Promoted on NavySports.com as the all time winningest volleyball Coach in NCAA history, Bock’s 27-57, (32% win rate) over 3 seasons at Navy has been, so far, uninspiring. Few expected miracles when Larry Bock took over the program in 2011, but no one imagined his match record vs. Army would be a 0-6, losing 18 out of 19 of those games to the Cadets. The last time Navy beat Army in volleyball was in 2009 under then Head Coach Mike Schwob. Coach Bock, is also winless against Air Force, and has yet to qualify a Navy team for the Patriot League Tournament. He was 6-23 in his first season. By comparison, Head Coach Alma Kivaci, in her first season at Army, produced a 24-5 record, including a second-place conference finish at 12-2, and a trip to the Patriot League Tournament.
All of Coach Bock’s Juniata victories were compiled over 15 years alongside (then) Associate Head Coach, Heather Pavlik. Since going solo, Head Coach Pavlik, has racked up 83 wins over the past 3 seasons, an average of over 27 wins per season for the Eagles. Coach Bock was inducted into the 2012 Juniata College “Hall of Fame” but perhaps, Coach Pavlik was then, as she is now, the main key to Juniata’s volleyball success.
4th year, Navy assistant Coach, Kate Kozac moved from a Head Coach position at D3 Western New England to join Bock at Navy in 2011. In Kozak’s last season at Western New England she led her team to a 10 win and 20 loss campaign. Bret Stothart took over the WNE program from Kozac, and has since improved the Golden Bears to back-to-back 25-win seasons and consecutive Eastern College Athletic Conference New England Championships in 2012 and '13.
Amazingly, Coach Bock seems to already be hedging his bets on this year’s talented team, with the following statements on NavySports.com, “An already young Navy volleyball team has added even more youthfulness to its squad”, and “"It is both exciting and scary that we are young, said Navy Head Coach Larry Bock”. Yep, being young will happen when you cut 9 players off your squad. The 2014 team Navy team has only one senior, Middle Hitter Alex Cassell, and 3 juniors on the roster. Bock’s 2013 team had 2 seniors. Coach Schwab’s 2009 Navy team that beat Army, had of 5 seniors on the roster.
The 2014 Navy team will have unquestionable talent, and they should be very fun to watch. For the coaching staff it is time to win or get off the ship. GO Navy – BEAT ARMY!
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Post by Not Me on Aug 29, 2014 21:12:18 GMT -5
Wow, so all of Coach Bock's success at Juniata was due to the assistant coach? Wow, that's an impressive claim.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:18:55 GMT -5
Post by ja on Aug 29, 2014 21:18:55 GMT -5
I do remember Rachel and Olivia, very good players! Will they help? I am pretty sure yes, but this program needs stability, not revolving door! Moving girls around like cards in poker will create more hesitation and uncertainty. Army will prevail this year too.
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Aug 29, 2014 22:44:08 GMT -5
Post by psuvbfan10 on Aug 29, 2014 22:44:08 GMT -5
Wow, so all of Coach Bock's success at Juniata was due to the assistant coach? Wow, that's an impressive claim. I love Heather & Larry - both are feeling their way through new programs and new positions as HC for Heather and rebuidling a proud Navy program for Larry. give them time and both will succeed!
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Aug 30, 2014 7:09:51 GMT -5
Post by jagdpanther on Aug 30, 2014 7:09:51 GMT -5
Wow. Necro thread is necro.
But I did have a good laugh again at those first few posts.
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Aug 30, 2014 8:20:20 GMT -5
Post by tomclen on Aug 30, 2014 8:20:20 GMT -5
Whoa....Navy wins season opener. Upends traditional powerhouse Providence.
Bock in the saddle again!!
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