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Post by tempesthorn on Jan 17, 2012 17:20:13 GMT -5
The local paper reported those rumors about Sheryl being hit on by other players and even went so far as to say the coaching staff did nothing when Sheryl reported the unwanted advances. www.fair.org/index.php?page=2839I couldn't find the original article but this article does mention that story and that it ran in March of 2004.
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Post by jsn112 on Jan 17, 2012 18:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by NitneLiun on Jan 17, 2012 19:43:53 GMT -5
If you think Paterno could have done more, tell me exactly what? Yes, he could have gone to the DA or police himself, but to no effect. He was not a witness to the crime. He reported his conversation with McQueary to his superiors. That is all he could have or should have done. We HAVE told you what he could have and should have done. Dude, you don't have to be a witness to a crime to have information about it. Hearsay is a concept for the courtroom, not the police investigation. You keep making the same argument -- he reported it to his boss. But we all know that. We are saying he should have reported it to the police. He doesn't have to be an actual witness to the crime in order to have a responsibility to do that. Hearsay is a concept for a police investigation, as police will not even submit a report to the DA if all the evidence they have it hearsay evidence. You say I keep making the same argument, but apparently you don't understand it. The salient point is that one of the people he reported it to was the PSU administrator who had direct administrative oversight of the Penn State Police Dept. Paterno even set up a meeting between him and the witness. Paterno did exactly what you think he should have done.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 17, 2012 20:08:13 GMT -5
Back to the original point of the thread, I just have this to say: Has it occurred to some of you that there are a lot of volleyball recruits who don't want to play on a team full of lesbians? Especially not on a team that is well known for that? The only reason you would have teams "full of lesbians," as you put it, is if they were made unwelcome anywhere else. The reality is that recruits, straight or gay, choose which school to play at almost entirely based on athletics and academics. While the characters and personalities of prospective team members have some influence, the notion that you can tell who is what based just on a weekend visit is very misguided.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 17, 2012 20:21:46 GMT -5
[............................................. the notion that you can tell who is what based just on a weekend visit is very misguided. What?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 17, 2012 20:44:09 GMT -5
[............................................. the notion that you can tell who is what based just on a weekend visit is very misguided. What? Weekends are when recruiting visits are normally made.
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Post by Huh on Jan 17, 2012 20:46:30 GMT -5
[............................................. the notion that you can tell who is what based just on a weekend visit is very misguided. What? I'll take a different approach to this (as) ONE (of): An all time fem-team *for the ages*...& NOT too bad really... Setter: Ann Boyer (UCLA) OHs: Brooke Herrington (Pacific), Brook Dieter (MN), Kelly Kuebler (USC) MBs: Suzanne Eagye (Hawai'i), Nina Foster (Florida) Libero: Kelly Holford (UW)
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Post by austintatious on Jan 17, 2012 20:54:58 GMT -5
We HAVE told you what he could have and should have done. Dude, you don't have to be a witness to a crime to have information about it. Hearsay is a concept for the courtroom, not the police investigation. You keep making the same argument -- he reported it to his boss. But we all know that. We are saying he should have reported it to the police. He doesn't have to be an actual witness to the crime in order to have a responsibility to do that. Hearsay is a concept for a police investigation, as police will not even submit a report to the DA if all the evidence they have it hearsay evidence. You say I keep making the same argument, but apparently you don't understand it. The salient point is that one of the people he reported it to was the PSU administrator who had direct administrative oversight of the Penn State Police Dept. Paterno even set up a meeting between him and the witness. Paterno did exactly what you think he should have done. In a previous life NetNelium was a German in the late 30s and 40s who "heard" terrible things but never witnessed them so did nothing. Look where that got us, and don't give me crap NetNelium that it isn't the same thing.
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Post by harryhotspur on Jan 17, 2012 21:18:17 GMT -5
What? I'll take a different approach to this (as) ONE (of): An all time fem-team *for the ages*...& NOT too bad really... Setter: Ann Boyer (UCLA) OHs: Brooke Herrington (Pacific), Brook Dieter (MN), Kelly Kuebler (USC) MBs: Suzanne Eagye (Hawai'i), Nina Foster (Florida) Libero: Kelly Holford (UW) How could you leave out Jess Gysin?
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Post by bigfan on Jan 17, 2012 21:36:01 GMT -5
What? Weekends are when recruiting visits are normally made. You mean to tell me if you spent a weekend at college you would not be able to tell if you like your future team-mates, if they are good people, ego-maniacs, back stabbing bitches, a......s, degenerates or over blown c....?
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Post by bigfan on Jan 17, 2012 21:38:26 GMT -5
OH: Jessica Gysin... I had forgot about Deiter being a POW (somewhere?)! Is Jessica Gysin playing anymore or is she in the retirement home?
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Post by siddhartha on Jan 17, 2012 21:53:52 GMT -5
We HAVE told you what he could have and should have done. Dude, you don't have to be a witness to a crime to have information about it. Hearsay is a concept for the courtroom, not the police investigation. You keep making the same argument -- he reported it to his boss. But we all know that. We are saying he should have reported it to the police. He doesn't have to be an actual witness to the crime in order to have a responsibility to do that. Hearsay is a concept for a police investigation, as police will not even submit a report to the DA if all the evidence they have it hearsay evidence. You say I keep making the same argument, but apparently you don't understand it. The salient point is that one of the people he reported it to was the PSU administrator who had direct administrative oversight of the Penn State Police Dept. Paterno even set up a meeting between him and the witness. Paterno did exactly what you think he should have done. Ok. So, you're adolescent daughter comes home and tells you that her female coach was in the shower with one of her friends giving an up close and personal demonstration on personal hygiene. You tell the AD. Nothing happens. Are you telling me that you think you've done all that you can do? All you should do? You don't care that that coach is still sharing a locker room with your daughter? You don't think the authorities would be interested in what you have to say? You're done!?
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Post by stand on Jan 18, 2012 12:27:27 GMT -5
I can understand why someone would hesitate to report to police that he has heard rumors about a coach who molests boys without any direct evidence. If it isn't true it amounts to character assassination, because some people will continue to believe it, and you will never completely restore your reputation. And false accusations happen (I believe one of Fine's accusers has reneged). However, because child molestation is such a heinous crime, I would rather err on the side of caution and risk a man's reputation before a child's well-being.
The fact is Joe Paterno had more than just rumors to report. He had an eye-witness come to him and relate at least a portion of what he saw. He absolutely should have reported it to his superiors. But then everyone had a collective obligation to question the witness sufficiently enough to determine if a crime took place. And if there was even a chance a crime took place, then you must report it to a police officer or child protective services. I can't understand how any reasonable person can hear that a grown man was in a shower with an unrelated boy and not think that something illegal might be going on.
I can understand some people remember all the positive things Joe has done, and want to think that the witness didn't tell Joe everything he saw, and that Joe thought he was doing the right thing by going to the university administration, and that it was the administrators who then dropped the ball. But even Joe now realizes that he did not do everything he could have done, and therefore he did not do enough.
The fact is that there is now no way to disprove the theory that the witness told Joe and the administrators everything he saw, and they then as a group conspired to cover it all up. And that is the reason that the university had to get rid of the whole bunch, to separate from any appearance of impropriety. You can argue all you want about who bears the most responsibility, but in the end they all bear some responsibility for not putting the welfare of innocent children first. There may have been a rush to judgement fueled by the media, and Joe may not have been treated with respect or due process, but I don't see how the outcome could be any different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 14:04:48 GMT -5
Someone lumped in Iowa with South Carolina in terms of views regarding homosexuality.
I HATE when people throw stuff out there and it doesn't get questioned....especially when it isn't true.
Iowa is incredibly tolerant and advanced in terms of civil liberties. For athletes, girls receive their own administration (IGHSAU). Historically, the first woman to become a lawyer in the US--it was in Iowa. George W. Carver--studied at the Iowa State College of Agriculture. That same school, now ISU, is the only football program with a stadium named for a black man (Jack Trice).
Iowa accepts civil unions between homosexual couples and there have been gay athletes at all of the state schools.
I can't say anything about South Carolina--because I don't know. But coming to conclusions based on caucus results in a political election...that's silly.
* * * As for gays in a program--who cares? As long as your activity off the court (boyfriends, girlfriends, whatever) does not interfere on the court, it isn't the coach's business.
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Post by VolleyTX on Jan 18, 2012 14:52:15 GMT -5
Ok... when I made comments about Iowa and South Carolina they were regarding politics... and how those states tend to be "values voter" states (South Carolina, to a greater extent). It was only an example to illustrate the concept that certain communities are much more likely to be inviting for gay players.
It really does come down to the actual community though. For instance, Texas (where i live) is in general anti-gay. However, Austin is VERY progressive. Also, Houston has a lesbian mayor.
To give another example, a gay player is probably going to feel more welcome IN THE COMMUNITY at Berkley than Lincoln, Nebraska. (I'M NOT REFERRING TO THOSE PARTICULAR VOLLEYBALL PROGRAMS..... JUST THE COMMUNITY.)
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