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Post by chicory on Jan 11, 2018 14:17:27 GMT -5
That definitely doesn’t change much above the B level.
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 7, 2018 18:54:20 GMT -5
#11 – I hit the ball PERFECT, how did it go out of bounds? Well, the fact of the matter is you did NOT, in fact , hit it perfect or your definition of perfection is severly flawed (it isn’t). You shouldn’t be saying this, your partner shouldn’t be listening to this and your opponents hope you keep doing it. No, it’s an UNFORCED error, its how you lose games, it’s a partner’s nightmare and an opponents dream. It’s not really “perfect”, we can all assure you…
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Post by volleyballjim on Jun 25, 2018 19:59:48 GMT -5
#10 - "OUT", What does it really mean?
Out calls are the bread and butter of lower level beach volleyballplayers (higher levels hit so hard, not sure an “out call” helps much), but with 50% of the US Population as self proclaimed “shy” (ref. Philip Zimbardo “Shyness”), overt calling of plays (Line over) and ball location (Out) are not as prevalent as they should be. SO, here is the breakdown, IMHO:
Out = I “think” it’s out, but its up to you; don’t give me the stink eye if I’m wrong. Out, Out = I’m very sure it’s out, but if you think its in, GO FOR IT. You can give me stink eye at this point if it’s in, but I can retort “So you also thought it was out”? Out, Out, OUT! = The ball is OUT. If you touch it, you should find another parnter for the next game.
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Post by ardatak on Jun 26, 2018 11:39:18 GMT -5
I also like to throw out a quick "I don't know" when it's close and I think he may be waiting for my call. This let's him know he better get there and make up his own mind but don't wait for me to tell you.
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Post by cbrmatt on Jun 26, 2018 22:25:58 GMT -5
If I have a lean one way or the other, I will say it right away. If not, I keep my mouth shut. Too many points get lost by late calls and partners trying to adjust last second.
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 2, 2019 2:00:48 GMT -5
#9 - There’s no lines? Yeah, dig your own . . . RIGHT!?
Just saw an aerial of Dream Inn Santa Cruz with some lines drawn by the players. Pathetic. With winter here, some lines are pulled due to the beach conditions, so you MIGHT have to draw your own. But there’s a problem with people digging their own lines in the sand, NOT metaphorically speaking. Seems EVERYONE draws them looking down at their feet. The result is as predictable as going down a double diamond ski run while looking at the tips of your skis: WAVY! SOLUTION: Get to the Pole area and pick your point to start and pick a spot directly in line with where you’d like the “perfect line” to end (that point would be in the horizon, roughly at eye level; pick anything). Now, dig your foot in and DON’T LOOK DOWN, just follow that spot until you hit 26’3” (can’t help you on measuring that; any tips besides a tape measure?). Same with the end line and all the subsequent lines. Just DON’T LOOK DOWN.
As an added tidbit, I’ve asked people HUNDREDS of times: Do you know why you swerve when driving drunk? ANSWER: Alcohol is a depressant and it drops your eyes down from the horizon. Same thing when drawing lines, keep those eyes UP and focus on the end point.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 2, 2019 4:06:44 GMT -5
#9 - There’s no lines? Yeah, dig your own . . . RIGHT!? Just saw an aerial of Dream Inn Santa Cruz with some lines drawn by the players. Pathetic. With winter here, some lines are pulled due to the beach conditions, so you MIGHT have to draw your own. But there’s a problem with people digging their own lines in the sand, NOT metaphorically speaking. Seems EVERYONE draws them looking down at their feet. The result is as predictable as going down a double diamond ski run while looking at the tips of your skis: WAVY! SOLUTION: Get to the Pole area and pick your point to start and pick a spot directly in line with where you’d like the “perfect line” to end (that point would be in the horizon, roughly at eye level; pick anything). Now, dig your foot in and DON’T LOOK DOWN, just follow that spot until you hit 26’3” (can’t help you on measuring that; any tips besides a tape measure?). Same with the end line and all the subsequent lines. Just DON’T LOOK DOWN. As an added tidbit, I’ve asked people HUNDREDS of times: Do you know why you swerve when driving drunk? ANSWER: Alcohol is a depressant and it drops your eyes down from the horizon. Same thing when drawing lines, keep those eyes UP and focus on the end point. You skipped 13 and 14!
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 2, 2019 11:47:49 GMT -5
#9 - There’s no lines? Yeah, dig your own . . . RIGHT!? Just saw an aerial of Dream Inn Santa Cruz with some lines drawn by the players. Pathetic. With winter here, some lines are pulled due to the beach conditions, so you MIGHT have to draw your own. But there’s a problem with people digging their own lines in the sand, NOT metaphorically speaking. Seems EVERYONE draws them looking down at their feet. The result is as predictable as going down a double diamond ski run while looking at the tips of your skis: WAVY! SOLUTION: Get to the Pole area and pick your point to start and pick a spot directly in line with where you’d like the “perfect line” to end (that point would be in the horizon, roughly at eye level; pick anything). Now, dig your foot in and DON’T LOOK DOWN, just follow that spot until you hit 26’3” (can’t help you on measuring that; any tips besides a tape measure?). Same with the end line and all the subsequent lines. Just DON’T LOOK DOWN. As an added tidbit, I’ve asked people HUNDREDS of times: Do you know why you swerve when driving drunk? ANSWER: Alcohol is a depressant and it drops your eyes down from the horizon. Same thing when drawing lines, keep those eyes UP and focus on the end point. You skipped 13 and 14! LOL . . Yeah, I went back and saw that! I must have posted out of order as I keep a log (don't ask me for what!), but here they are/were: #14 - Bad decisions are not the equivalent of unforced errors Rolled eyes and slumped shoulders often follow the bad plays, which is unfortunate and most do it, but remember: Bad plays (hitting to a covering defender WITH good call “the other way”, serving the wrong player (READ: The better player), ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to an UNFORCED ERROR! #13 – Don’t choose the better player as a partner and then serve the one you left on the table!
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 1, 2019 11:46:33 GMT -5
#8 - My game is better than YOURS!
If you’re not playing volleyball in a gymnasium in Massachusetts and calling it Mintonette, you’re probably playing a “version” of the game. Some better than others based on the resources and what you are trying to accomplish. Short court, long court, sideout, rally, just versions as all of ours are of the “original game”. It was a solution for people at their lunch break trying to limit their perspiration so they could return to work. Is one “solution” better than the other? Hardly. Is what came first is better than what came next? Regardless, they all CREATE solutions and subsequent problems. It’s a great game and realizes each set of rules are not better/worse, just different based on the problem you are trying to solve. AND, by the way, long court died almost 20 years ago, GET OVER IT!
“Your game” is a deviation of “THE game”…Mintonette
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:24:28 GMT -5
#8 - My game is better than YOURS! If you’re not playing volleyball in a gymnasium in Massachusetts and calling it Mintonette, you’re probably playing a “version” of the game. Some better than others based on the resources and what you are trying to accomplish. Short court, long court, sideout, rally, just versions as all of ours are of the “original game”. It was a solution for people at their lunch break trying to limit their perspiration so they could return to work. Is one “solution” better than the other? Hardly. Is what came first is better than what came next? Regardless, they all CREATE solutions and subsequent problems. It’s a great game and realizes each set of rules are not better/worse, just different based on the problem you are trying to solve. AND, by the way, long court died almost 20 years ago, GET OVER IT! “Your game” is a deviation of “THE game”…Mintonette you sure know how to say very little with a lot of words
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 1, 2019 14:06:32 GMT -5
#8 - My game is better than YOURS! If you’re not playing volleyball in a gymnasium in Massachusetts and calling it Mintonette, you’re probably playing a “version” of the game. Some better than others based on the resources and what you are trying to accomplish. Short court, long court, sideout, rally, just versions as all of ours are of the “original game”. It was a solution for people at their lunch break trying to limit their perspiration so they could return to work. Is one “solution” better than the other? Hardly. Is what came first is better than what came next? Regardless, they all CREATE solutions and subsequent problems. It’s a great game and realizes each set of rules are not better/worse, just different based on the problem you are trying to solve. AND, by the way, long court died almost 20 years ago, GET OVER IT! “Your game” is a deviation of “THE game”…Mintonette you sure know how to say very little with a lot of words Thanks! They're ALL like that. I'd skip this thread next time.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 2, 2019 3:57:37 GMT -5
#8 - My game is better than YOURS! If you’re not playing volleyball in a gymnasium in Massachusetts and calling it Mintonette, you’re probably playing a “version” of the game. Some better than others based on the resources and what you are trying to accomplish. Short court, long court, sideout, rally, just versions as all of ours are of the “original game”. It was a solution for people at their lunch break trying to limit their perspiration so they could return to work. Is one “solution” better than the other? Hardly. Is what came first is better than what came next? Regardless, they all CREATE solutions and subsequent problems. It’s a great game and realizes each set of rules are not better/worse, just different based on the problem you are trying to solve. AND, by the way, long court died almost 20 years ago, GET OVER IT! “Your game” is a deviation of “THE game”…Mintonette you sure know how to say very little with a lot of words Some people just cant see past their own bitterness. Dont let this distract you only 7 more!!!
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 2, 2019 10:45:55 GMT -5
you sure know how to say very little with a lot of words Some people just cant see past their own bitterness. Dont let this distract you only 7 more!!! LOL . . . Well "I "get" the critique, and don't think I haven't heard it REGULARLY from my wife (Her's goes along the lines of "I have NO IDEA what you're talking about); so maybe VT is my outlet, but, in my defense, if you play much beach vb, you run across some of the most wide-ranging behavior imaginable. . . As I say, when you cross those lines (to start play) "anything goes", so I'll put ANY critique in that context (like getting beat by someone a couple of levels below your play; you're not in the BEST mood)...LOL . . . I'll work on the 7 guest2, but really, I'm like a bad sit com: running out of material! BUT, I HAVE saved, "the best for last"... ;-)
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 22, 2019 12:32:07 GMT -5
#7 - If I said it, does it make it true? LOL
But you said the score was 16 17! Let's get this straight. Both teams keep score. All players keep score. If the score is wrong, you correct it. If someone says the wrong score, and you play through the point, that doesn’t lock in that score under any circumstance. It’s not like an incorrect service order that cannot be changed AGAIN after you serve out of order. You correct the score at that point. You never begin justifying a score with “well, on the last point you said the score was…”. You correct the score by tracking the points that created the right score, not by “reading back testimony” of what was said before a specific score. You’re trying to get the correct score, not use incorrect statements to justify the wrong score.
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Post by slackerdad on Nov 23, 2019 21:12:01 GMT -5
#7 - If I said it, does it make it true? LOL But you said the score was 16 17! Let's get this straight. Both teams keep score. All players keep score. If the score is wrong, you correct it. If someone says the wrong score, and you play through the point, that doesn’t lock in that score under any circumstance. It’s not like an incorrect service order that cannot be changed AGAIN after you serve out of order. You correct the score at that point. You never begin justifying a score with “well, on the last point you said the score was…”. You correct the score by tracking the points that created the right score, not by “reading back testimony” of what was said before a specific score. You’re trying to get the correct score, not use incorrect statements to justify the wrong score. Agreed. But if you switch sides at 18-10 or 14-14 or whatever, you effectively agree that that is the score at that point. Switching sides is like a mutually agreed waypoint. Many times we've settled any scoring discrepancies by going back to the score at the switch, ie. "we switched at 13-8 and I served 2 times before you sided out. So the score is 14-9 and it's your serve." If someone then later said, "Wait...You had the score wrong at the switch." I'd be irritated by them not correcting it then.
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