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Barboza
Apr 21, 2012 13:31:41 GMT -5
Post by midas on Apr 21, 2012 13:31:41 GMT -5
Are passing stats fictional? Also, keep in mind Barboza's stats are probably watered down by the fact that she was a serving specialist only in a good number of those sets What are you talking about? By fiction, I am referring to tenniscraze's statement that Barboza had more playing time. I referenced the stats to show that Hodge played much more than Barboza did. Water down the stats however you want. Barboza's not amongst the top 20 outside hitters in the world and probably never will be. I never realized how much emotional attachment this board has to her. Meritocracy, baby. That's what I'm all about. If Barboza wins her position on the team based on performance then good for her but up to this point she has not demonstrated she deserves the position based off of merit. I have zero emotional attachment to anybody. I do however have a functional pair of eyes that have observed Megan Hodge put on many a shank fest. I have also observed Barboza keep her teams in system. There's a reason that the OH position is known as the "receiver" position by some in international ball.
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Barboza
Apr 21, 2012 13:33:13 GMT -5
Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 21, 2012 13:33:13 GMT -5
Are passing stats fictional? Also, keep in mind Barboza's stats are probably watered down by the fact that she was a serving specialist only in a good number of those sets What are you talking about? By fiction, I am referring to tenniscraze's statement that Barboza had more playing time. I referenced the stats to show that Hodge played much more than Barboza did. Water down the stats however you want. Barboza's not amongst the top 20 outside hitters in the world and probably never will be. I never realized how much emotional attachment this board has to her. Meritocracy, baby. That's what I'm all about. If Barboza wins her position on the team based on performance then good for her but up to this point she has not demonstrated she deserves the position based off of merit. Is Hodge or Larson amongst the top 20 outsides in the world? I for one do have that emotional attachment because so much hype was cast on this young lady and even with a major injury she has come back and competing for a spot on our olympic team. She is a great young lady with a lot of poise that some others don't have. She brings so much to this team, not just on the court but with her attitude and support off the court. Yes, she is versatile, but she doesn't pout or have an attitude if she isn't playing. Sometimes when constructing a team, this comes into play and she has proven herself in that manner.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 0:20:01 GMT -5
Post by mplssetter on Apr 22, 2012 0:20:01 GMT -5
Also, keep in mind Barboza's stats are probably watered down by the fact that she was a serving specialist only in a good number of those sets Water down the stats however you want. I think Midas brings up a good point here. If you're going to go strictly on stats, it's important to look at the context.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 7:46:10 GMT -5
Post by USAFAN on Apr 22, 2012 7:46:10 GMT -5
Water down the stats however you want. I think Midas brings up a good point here. If you're going to go strictly on stats, it's important to look at the context. If we're going to focus on context then I'm still waiting to hear all of these Barboza advocates address her service game considering the context of her play is a serving specialist. All I'm hearing about is how great she is as an opposite, how good of a passer/defender she is, and how she has poise and intangibles. The question is if Barboza is the best serving specialist on the USA right now?
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 9:02:57 GMT -5
Post by Pallavolo on Apr 22, 2012 9:02:57 GMT -5
Been fun to go over different posters' inputs. Doesn't really matter what I think since it comes down to Hugh and his choices.
I think it's a serving and defensive sub. Hugh usually uses it for either two players: Hooker or Bown.
Even when he has Hodge on the bench with a jump spin serve, Hugh seems to prefer Barboza to jump float serve and play defense behind it late in sets. Haneef-Park on the bench is another with the floater but doesn't have the defense.
Who are the other candidates for that serving+defensive spot? Kim Glass comes to mind since that last OH spot is generally between her and Barboza but I don't have stats that show USA scores more points with Kim either.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 15:09:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 15:09:34 GMT -5
As Ace Ventura once said "fiction can be fun." Barboza definitely didn't play more than Hodge in 2011. In fact, Barboza missed the beginning of the season due to the knee injury she suffered last year with Krasnodar. Please observe the following 2011 stats. Sets played: Barboza - 32, Hodge - 59 Kills per set: Barboza - 2.16, Hodge - 3.12 Kill percentage: Barboza - 37.3 %, Hodge - 46.6% Kill efficiency: Barboza - 27%, Hodge - 32.2% Aces per set: Barboza - 0.03, Hodge - 0.29 Blocks per set: Barboza - .19, Hodge - .37 Digs per set: Barboza - .56, Hodge - 1.44 Are passing stats fictional? Also, keep in mind Barboza's stats are probably watered down by the fact that she was a serving specialist only in a good number of those sets I believe I took a look at the passing statistics for Team USA's three main receiver/attackers this year and Hodge wasn't nearly as awful as you suggest... I'll have to find them.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 15:27:14 GMT -5
Post by MarsH on Apr 22, 2012 15:27:14 GMT -5
Are passing stats fictional? Here's what I have from the 2011 WGP and World Cup. Starters in orange 2011 World Grand Prix - USAV Datavolley
Name | TOTAL | ERR | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Glass | 12 | 1 | 8.33% | 83.33% | 58.33% | 10 | 7 | Miyashiro | 22 | 2 | 9.09% | 68.18% | 45.45% | 15 | 10 | Tom | 135 | 4 | 2.96% | 72.59% | 45.19% | 98 | 61 | Davis | 235 | 14 | 5.96% | 68.09% | 41.28% | 160 | 97 | Larson | 294 | 13 | 4.42% | 61.90% | 36.39% | 182 | 107 | Hodge | 149 | 9 | 6.04% | 65.10% | 35.57% | 97 | 53 |
2011 World Cup - USAV Datavolley
Name | Total | Err | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Tom | 180 | 7 | 3.9% | 60.56% | 50.00% | 109 | 90 | Larson | 215 | 13 | 6.0% | 61.86% | 46.98% | 133 | 101 | Davis | 165 | 14 | 8.5% | 64.85% | 46.67% | 107 | 77 | Hodge | 50 | 3 | 6.0% | 66.00% | 44.00% | 33 | 22 | Barboza | 29 | 4 | 13.8% | 51.72% | 31.03% | 15 | 9 | Miyashiro | 10 | 0 | 0.0% | 70.00% | 20.00% | 7 | 2 |
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 20:05:56 GMT -5
Post by midas on Apr 22, 2012 20:05:56 GMT -5
Are passing stats fictional? Here's what I have from the 2011 WGP and World Cup. Starters in orange 2011 World Grand Prix - USAV Datavolley
Name | TOTAL | ERR | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Glass | 12 | 1 | 8.33% | 83.33% | 58.33% | 10 | 7 | Miyashiro | 22 | 2 | 9.09% | 68.18% | 45.45% | 15 | 10 | Tom | 135 | 4 | 2.96% | 72.59% | 45.19% | 98 | 61 | Davis | 235 | 14 | 5.96% | 68.09% | 41.28% | 160 | 97 | Larson | 294 | 13 | 4.42% | 61.90% | 36.39% | 182 | 107 | Hodge | 149 | 9 | 6.04% | 65.10% | 35.57% | 97 | 53 |
2011 World Cup - USAV Datavolley
Name | Total | Err | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Tom | 180 | 7 | 3.9% | 60.56% | 50.00% | 109 | 90 | Larson | 215 | 13 | 6.0% | 61.86% | 46.98% | 133 | 101 | Davis | 165 | 14 | 8.5% | 64.85% | 46.67% | 107 | 77 | Hodge | 50 | 3 | 6.0% | 66.00% | 44.00% | 33 | 22 | Barboza | 29 | 4 | 13.8% | 51.72% | 31.03% | 15 | 9 | Miyashiro | 10 | 0 | 0.0% | 70.00% | 20.00% | 7 | 2 |
So it looks like Barboza can nail her passes but needs to clean up the errors a little bit. Guess well see who wins out in Hugh's mind.
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Apr 22, 2012 20:39:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 20:39:48 GMT -5
Here's what I have from the 2011 WGP and World Cup. Starters in orange 2011 World Grand Prix - USAV Datavolley
Name | TOTAL | ERR | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Glass | 12 | 1 | 8.33% | 83.33% | 58.33% | 10 | 7 | Miyashiro | 22 | 2 | 9.09% | 68.18% | 45.45% | 15 | 10 | Tom | 135 | 4 | 2.96% | 72.59% | 45.19% | 98 | 61 | Davis | 235 | 14 | 5.96% | 68.09% | 41.28% | 160 | 97 | Larson | 294 | 13 | 4.42% | 61.90% | 36.39% | 182 | 107 | Hodge | 149 | 9 | 6.04% | 65.10% | 35.57% | 97 | 53 |
2011 World Cup - USAV Datavolley
Name | Total | Err | ERR% | POS% | EXC% | POS | EXC
| Tom | 180 | 7 | 3.9% | 60.56% | 50.00% | 109 | 90 | Larson | 215 | 13 | 6.0% | 61.86% | 46.98% | 133 | 101 | Davis | 165 | 14 | 8.5% | 64.85% | 46.67% | 107 | 77 | Hodge | 50 | 3 | 6.0% | 66.00% | 44.00% | 33 | 22 | Barboza | 29 | 4 | 13.8% | 51.72% | 31.03% | 15 | 9 | Miyashiro | 10 | 0 | 0.0% | 70.00% | 20.00% | 7 | 2 |
So it looks like Barboza can nail her passes but needs to clean up the errors a little bit. Guess well see who wins out in Hugh's mind. That's what you got outta this???
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 20:44:34 GMT -5
Post by midnightblue on Apr 22, 2012 20:44:34 GMT -5
So it looks like Barboza can nail her passes but needs to clean up the errors a little bit. Guess well see who wins out in Hugh's mind. That's what you got outta this??? This was EXACTLY my response. Word for word. Ha!
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Apr 22, 2012 20:55:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 20:55:58 GMT -5
That's what you got outta this??? This was EXACTLY my response. Word for word. Ha! Like, nowhere in that table does it show that Barboza passes "nails..." Her percentages are lower than everyone elses!
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 21:05:19 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 21:05:19 GMT -5
For the record, I think Barboza will be in London. I think that the following 12 people will be there: Tom, Larson, Hodge, Barboza, Scott-Arruda, Bown, Akinradewo, Berg, A. Glass, Davis, Hooker, Haneef-Park. This roster will medal in August.
I think that Metcalf, K. Glass, Tamas, Spicer, and Sykora are not legitimate options for this roster when you look at what we've been sending to the WGP Final Round, WCs, and other important weekends. I think that Klineman, Lloyd, and Harmotto are extremely close to making the cut, but I do not think that Hugh is going to inject three new players onto the travel rosters so late in the quadrennial. He's made it very clear that his philosophy isn't to take the 12 best athletes, or the best individual at her position - he will take the 12 players that make the best TEAM on and off the court.
He knows 100% what he's going to get out of the players I listed above. He doesn't know definitively how Klineman, Lloyd, or Harmotto is going to react and handle a long tournament like the Olympics. I think he'll go for what he knows best.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 21:42:07 GMT -5
Post by midas on Apr 22, 2012 21:42:07 GMT -5
This was EXACTLY my response. Word for word. Ha! Like, nowhere in that table does it show that Barboza passes "nails..." Her percentages are lower than everyone elses! I said that she "can," not that she does with any amount of regularity.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 21:46:55 GMT -5
Post by Reach on Apr 22, 2012 21:46:55 GMT -5
Those numbers don't really tell the whole story. Barboza had most of her play time during the pan am games without the rest of the A-team. She had a huge passing responsibility with the players on the floor. Not to be forgotten that this was her first tournament coming back from injury. Most of her errors came early in the tournament against weaker opponents. By the time she got to Cuba and DR she had picked her game up drastically.
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Barboza
Apr 22, 2012 21:47:52 GMT -5
Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2012 21:47:52 GMT -5
Like, nowhere in that table does it show that Barboza passes "nails..." Her percentages are lower than everyone elses! I said that she "can," not that she does with any amount of regularity. Wait, are you saying she sometimes chooses not to pass as well as she could?
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