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Apr 23, 2012 11:56:33 GMT -5
Post by memorybankrupt on Apr 23, 2012 11:56:33 GMT -5
Hodge and Barboza both have not advanced as quickly as Larson. It's a shame because the US will need a strong back up OH. So far when the two have come in as subs in major tournaments I can't recall them turning a match around. I've said this before and I'm sure I was dismissed as crazy but I wish the NT would look more at Cassidy Lichtman. I see her as similar to Larson. She can get the occasional kill. She can set. Her passing (hopefully) won't break down. She's the player I'd like to see come in if the US gets into passing problems. I know it's too late in the cycle but just a thought.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 12:04:55 GMT -5
Post by Reach on Apr 23, 2012 12:04:55 GMT -5
Hodge and Barboza both have not advanced as quickly as Larson. It's a shame because the US will need a strong back up OH. So far when the two have come in as subs in major tournaments I can't recall them turning a match around. I've said this before and I'm sure I was dismissed as crazy but I wish the NT would look more at Cassidy Lichtman. I see her as similar to Larson. She can get the occasional kill. She can set. Her passing (hopefully) won't break down. She's the player I'd like to see come in if the US gets into passing problems. I know it's too late in the cycle but just a thought. Barboza passed and hit better than Lichtman during last year pan am games. I'm not sure who the next player is that can pass at a high level and score points for the USA. Klineman has a lot of work to do in the passing department, but has the best chance right now. I wish Christal Morrison stuck around.. beach is stupid.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 12:26:06 GMT -5
Post by Reach on Apr 23, 2012 12:26:06 GMT -5
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Apr 23, 2012 13:31:22 GMT -5
Post by USAFAN on Apr 23, 2012 13:31:22 GMT -5
Hodge and Barboza both have not advanced as quickly as Larson. It's a shame because the US will need a strong back up OH. So far when the two have come in as subs in major tournaments I can't recall them turning a match around. I've said this before and I'm sure I was dismissed as crazy but I wish the NT would look more at Cassidy Lichtman. I see her as similar to Larson. She can get the occasional kill. She can set. Her passing (hopefully) won't break down. She's the player I'd like to see come in if the US gets into passing problems. I know it's too late in the cycle but just a thought. Some clarifications need to be made here. Hodge is currently the youngest player on the "A" team. It's not as if all three of these players started from the same point. This was technically Hodge's first pro season playing as a full-time receiver. Larson made the smart choice of going to Russia as soon as possible and you must also take into account that she's had a few more pro seasons than Hodge. This was Barboza's third professional season and she's been on USA roster since 2003 giving her that much more of an advantage in terms of development.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 13:34:00 GMT -5
Post by USAFAN on Apr 23, 2012 13:34:00 GMT -5
Why would we assume otherwise? In both 2010 and 2011 Hodge was the first one off of the bench. I cannot recall a single situation that Barboza came off of the bench to play all-around. I'd also strongly disagree that Hodge is worse out of system than Barboza. Sopot had horrendous passing and Hodge hit a lot of balls out of system and if there was any improvement in her game that is definitely where she made strides. Barboza's passing may be better than Hodge but she's still not elite. If passing is a priority we'd be better off taking a defensive specialist. If the hypothetical situation you're suggesting were reality wouldn't you assume that Barboza would have made the 2008 squad because her overall skills were better than Nnamani and Kim Glass? You can't take a DS when one of your OH is struggling. For a few rotations in the back, but then what do you do? Hugh has been giving Hodge every opportunity to improve. She has the most potential, why wouldn't he put her in? That was then, this is now. Now you can't play around giving players with huge potential a chance. If the team needs passing and Tom/Larson are struggling, who would you put in? Honestly?? We know the make up of this team, we know who is going to get set the most and it isn't the left sides. Who is going to make the little plays that don't get put in the stat sheet better? Hodge or Barboza? ? Barboza wasn't better than Nnamani and Kim Glass in 2008. She was primarily being looked at as an opposite and was likely to be on the team until Willoughby arrived. She is better now. Nnamani isn't playing and Kim Glass hasn't seen the court in forever. She hardly played for Rabita this year. When an outside "struggles" they are struggling to put the ball down not struggling with passing. Watch any international match, an outside that's not passing well is subbed for a DS in the backrow and/or pinched over in the pattern (i.e. Kosheleva) but maintained on court because they're producing offensively. It happens ALL THE TIME. Outsides are replaced when they're not killing the ball and making lots of errors. In such a situation Larson or Tom were to be replaced I will bet my bottom dollar it will because they can't kill the ball not because they're not passing perfectly. International volleyball is won on the offensive performance of the outside hitters. When has Barboza ever been known to make the small plays?
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 13:44:55 GMT -5
Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 23, 2012 13:44:55 GMT -5
You can't take a DS when one of your OH is struggling. For a few rotations in the back, but then what do you do? Hugh has been giving Hodge every opportunity to improve. She has the most potential, why wouldn't he put her in? That was then, this is now. Now you can't play around giving players with huge potential a chance. If the team needs passing and Tom/Larson are struggling, who would you put in? Honestly?? We know the make up of this team, we know who is going to get set the most and it isn't the left sides. Who is going to make the little plays that don't get put in the stat sheet better? Hodge or Barboza? ? Barboza wasn't better than Nnamani and Kim Glass in 2008. She was primarily being looked at as an opposite and was likely to be on the team until Willoughby arrived. She is better now. Nnamani isn't playing and Kim Glass hasn't seen the court in forever. She hardly played for Rabita this year. When an outside "struggles" they are struggling to put the ball down not struggling with passing. Watch any international match, an outside that's not passing well is subbed for a DS in the backrow and/or pinched over in the pattern (i.e. Kosheleva) but maintained on court because they're producing offensively. It happens ALL THE TIME. Outsides are replaced when they're not killing the ball and making lots of errors. In such a situation Larson or Tom were to be replaced I will bet my bottom dollar it will because they can't kill the ball not because they're not passing perfectly. International volleyball is won on the offensive performance of the outside hitters. When has Barboza ever been known to make the small plays? Which was my point, why has the deciding factor between Barboza and Hodge been made about passing? The argument for Barboza as a sub is she could keep the ship afloat, id like to think of that sub doing more, even if its possible they could do less. Larson and Tom are both stabilizing players, they do everything well, serve, pass, hit, are both great blockers.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 14:05:06 GMT -5
Post by greenpier on Apr 23, 2012 14:05:06 GMT -5
Dear Cyn,
I am just a geek who loves volleyball. I apologize for my behavior which can be confused as a stalker.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 14:09:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 14:09:24 GMT -5
Still waiting for someone to comment on Barboza's serving.......midas, perhaps you'd like to start? While I do not disregard the stats that Marsh provided, I will say that Hodge had a pretty horrible pro season with Sopot in terms of her reception. In current form, I'd definitely give Barboza the edge as far as that skill is concerned (stats from their pro league below). However, as I've reiterated a billion times, that's not what Barboza has been called upon to do so it seems pretty irrelevant to me. (perfect passing, passing efficiency) Barboza: 42.7%, 36% Hodge: 26%, 21% Perhaps she was passing badly on purpose so she could improve her out-of-system attacking!!
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 15:59:14 GMT -5
Post by network155 on Apr 23, 2012 15:59:14 GMT -5
What are you talking about? By fiction, I am referring to tenniscraze's statement that Barboza had more playing time. I referenced the stats to show that Hodge played much more than Barboza did. Water down the stats however you want. Barboza's not amongst the top 20 outside hitters in the world and probably never will be. I never realized how much emotional attachment this board has to her. Meritocracy, baby. That's what I'm all about. If Barboza wins her position on the team based on performance then good for her but up to this point she has not demonstrated she deserves the position based off of merit. Is Hodge or Larson amongst the top 20 outsides in the world? I for one do have that emotional attachment because so much hype was cast on this young lady and even with a major injury she has come back and competing for a spot on our olympic team. She is a great young lady with a lot of poise that some others don't have. She brings so much to this team, not just on the court but with her attitude and support off the court. Yes, she is versatile, but she doesn't pout or have an attitude if she isn't playing. Sometimes when constructing a team, this comes into play and she has proven herself in that manner. I think it's unfair to put Larson in the conversation with Barboza and Hodge. Larson is our second best outside hitter behind Logan Tom. She has a great serve, a good block, and good defensively.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 16:03:53 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 16:03:53 GMT -5
What's the issue? Both Hodge and Barboza will be in London. Anyone who knows anything knows that. I don't understand why people are getting bent out of shape...
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Apr 23, 2012 16:10:36 GMT -5
Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 23, 2012 16:10:36 GMT -5
What's the issue? Both Hodge and Barboza will be in London. Anyone who knows anything knows that. I don't understand why people are getting bent out of shape... anyone who knows anything knows both will be in London? If by anyone you mean, Hugh, Karch, Jamie, than I guess this is a fair statement.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 16:36:59 GMT -5
Post by coachron on Apr 23, 2012 16:36:59 GMT -5
Barboza has never really ever been an effective terminator from the left internationally. The game at that level is won and lost on the play of your pin hitters. If she can't come in off the bench and immediately make an offensive impact when Tom and/or Larson struggle, then I wouldn't take her.
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Apr 23, 2012 17:34:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 17:34:10 GMT -5
Barboza has never really ever been an effective terminator from the left internationally. The game at that level is won and lost on the play of your pin hitters. If she can't come in off the bench and immediately make an offensive impact when Tom and/or Larson struggle, then I wouldn't take her. She'll be used as a serving sub for Hooker when Berg is playing well and is connecting well with her hitters and if the team is winning. She'll be used to give Hooker a break. Hodge is the sub they'll use for Larson if she's not producing offensively or isn't passing well.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 17:36:36 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 17:36:36 GMT -5
What's the issue? Both Hodge and Barboza will be in London. Anyone who knows anything knows that. I don't understand why people are getting bent out of shape... anyone who knows anything knows both will be in London? If by anyone you mean, Hugh, Karch, Jamie, than I guess this is a fair statement. I mean, if you look at who they've been taking on travel rosters to important events and who they've been leaving out, it's fairly clear (at least, to me), who will stay and who will go. Idk. It's just not as unclear to me and it is to some of you. I'll call it now: Hodge and Barboza will both be there, unless Sykora miraculously gets back to her 2010 form.
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Barboza
Apr 23, 2012 17:59:01 GMT -5
Post by bigfan on Apr 23, 2012 17:59:01 GMT -5
[ I'll call it now: Barboza will both be there............. What a relief, what a revelation.......................what a bunch of @$$%*!*!
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