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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 15:24:33 GMT -5
I think Chloe is a great setter deserving of her playing time because she runs the middles and the right sides really well. My opinion is based on the hitting percentages of McCage, Bell, Hattis and Obogu when she has set. I have seen a better connection with all four of these players than they have with Allison, and am exasperated and confused with people that cannot see that is the case. I also like her attack on two which will come along nicely and help offset her deficiencies on the block. I have stated this in prior posts but am accused of being emotional and defensive by people that want to pm their resume. If they can't see what I'm seeing on the court and what the hitting percentages of these four players are when she sets, then I start to wonder what nuances am I missing that cause them to say "she has no connection with the middles". I also began to wonder if the resume is in fact made up or perhaps this person is just upset one of their setters was passed over. I'm not shocked a Badger fan would come on and try to belittle a setter from Texas. I think Hannah is a great setter who won Texas a National Championship. I think she has a great attitude in her senior season about the incoming freshman, Collins, remembering that the same thing happened to Kocher. Her attitude is something I wish the fanbase on this board would adopt. I also think she's a great blocker. I wish she would run the middle and RS more and I think having Chloe as a competent backup challenges her to strive for better connections with those players. The fact that someone is playing ever so slightly better in practice than her and getting a start nod because of better practice stats, causes some on here to make a joke. I thought the adage was "you play how you practice". I am again exasperated and confused by someone confused that a player's practice stats are warranting playing time. Has this person ever played competitive sports? I am shocked that someone who claims to be a "Texas fan" would come on to a board bitching about how the coach can't recruit or develop players like Hahn at ISU. Does this bitching help that coach close the deal with future recruits who might be reading this board? What is the agenda here? "Claims to be a Texas fan"As I've said before, only Aggies speak this way about Texas fans.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 30, 2013 15:30:34 GMT -5
How predictable. Your go to move is to call someone an aggie. What am I suppose to call the person that made up a lie saying I know the Collins family? I'm still waiting for you to admit you didn't know what the hell you were talking about when you jumped into this accusing me of speaking on their behalf because I know them.
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Post by yellovfan on Oct 30, 2013 16:17:35 GMT -5
Yellovfan...You do not get called names for supporting a setter playing one year over the other (but HOW BIG OF YOU to support her in 2014 when she might likely be the ONLY setter we have on the roster!) I quoted all the posts as to why I'm calling you names. I've read through your post history to know how negative you are...90% of your posts are all snide, sarcastic, belittling, melodramatic, moronic comments or as you call them "jokes". If people want to read that on a daily basis more power to them. I suggest they block you. I know that unsettles your friend elevationvb because that is one less person that people will read who agree with him about Texas' setting. If he has one less, then he's left with.....wait for it....NO ONE. Elevationvb...I'm still waiting for the proof that I know the Collins family as you assert in order to discredit my posts. Embrace diversity. Listen to reason. I'm getting my + %'s up.
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Post by southie on Oct 30, 2013 18:16:00 GMT -5
I can only assume that Jerritt and Salima are having Collins set because she is playing better in practice (and carrying that into matches). I guess we'll see tonight if Collins gets the nod again. Despte Collins' size and true freshman status, the staff is starting and playing her more than the taller, experienced, senior setter. Based on resumes, this shouldn't be a close competition; but, somehow it is. It's all about what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. Several posters on here want the staff to decide on a starting setter and go with her for the rest of the season. That may have already happened. I agree and that is what Elliott is paid for - - to make decisions. But that doesn't mean he isn't subject to discussion and questioning - - Ask Mack Brown!
My opinion is clearly stated - - I think Elliott is making a mistake with Collins setting from the front row. Personally, I don't care about how well she or Allison set during conference - - winning the Big 12 is a given for this team. Winning the 1st round is an expectation for this team. What I care about is the team making it out of the regionals. That is an expectation of the defending national champions who are returning all players but McNeal and barring any significant injuries. I don't expect a national championship - just being in the position to compete for a national championship based on the level of talent and experience on this team.
I think an inexperienced, short Collins will be exploited by the upper echelon teams. She is very talented and athletic but is far from a technically good setter at this early point of her career. She is a huge blocking liability which I think may be the teams downfall in the end. For those already concerned about the passing from Neal, Brooks and Palmer, just think of the pressure on them with the top hitters hitting over Collins.
Now why is Elliott doing this? I have an opinion / theory. I feel is is feeling the pressure form a recruiting standpoint to play a highly recruited setter. From watching the matches this season, I feel he has been looking for any reason to replace Allison with Collins. He tried the 5-1 with Collins early during conference but had to go back to Allison during the Texas Tech match when Collins played poorly. During the home Iowa State match when the passing was terrible during the early part of game 1, he quickly pulled Allison with Collins. Collins has been setting the 5-1 since except for game 3 of the West Virginia match. BTW, that move pissed my off. You stated in a previous thread that it was not unusual for a coach to substitute setters when the match was in hand. I can't remember for sure it you were the poster to say, "mop up". Anyway I was pissed because you don't treat the defending national championship setter this way. Imagine the effect on Allison's confidence, especially if he needs Allison later in a key playoff match. My feeling is if you have made the setting decision this late in the season, you stick with your setter all the way.
So that's where I stand on this matter. Unlike what our 2 other posters think, it's not personal. And I won't be a weenie and call for all to block them!
And the great thing is if I am wrong, we will be playing in Washington in December. I hope I am wrong. Won't be the first time. Yes, I probably did use the term "mop up duty". That's what it was, IMO. What Hannah did last year was great. The entire team picked up their game in the NCAA tourney. But, that was last year. If Hannah isn't performing at that level this year, then Salima and Jerritt will make the tough decisions. To me, if they were playing the wrong setter, the other members of team would know it, and they would voice their discontent to the coaches. The following is something I posted on the WVU thread: You can look at this debate a couple of ways -- Chloe is so good as a true freshman that she is seriously challenging a 4th year senior who has had at least two years setting the majority of our hitters (Webster, Eckerman, Bell) and isn't as much of a blocking liability at 5'11. Or, Allison isn't playing as well this year as she did last year, and a 5'7 true freshman is playing well enough to unseat her. If both setters were 5'11, would the coaching staff be alternating setters?
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Post by yellovfan on Oct 30, 2013 21:28:32 GMT -5
Southie, you are very diplomatic. The decision on who plays rests completely on JE. This Texas team could/should be playing much better than they are. They are winning, but they need to improve asap.
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Post by TexVB on Oct 30, 2013 21:32:38 GMT -5
"This Texas team could/should be playing much better than they are. They are winning, but they need to improve asap."
Agree.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 23:35:58 GMT -5
I agree and that is what Elliott is paid for - - to make decisions. But that doesn't mean he isn't subject to discussion and questioning - - Ask Mack Brown!
My opinion is clearly stated - - I think Elliott is making a mistake with Collins setting from the front row. Personally, I don't care about how well she or Allison set during conference - - winning the Big 12 is a given for this team. Winning the 1st round is an expectation for this team. What I care about is the team making it out of the regionals. That is an expectation of the defending national champions who are returning all players but McNeal and barring any significant injuries. I don't expect a national championship - just being in the position to compete for a national championship based on the level of talent and experience on this team.
I think an inexperienced, short Collins will be exploited by the upper echelon teams. She is very talented and athletic but is far from a technically good setter at this early point of her career. She is a huge blocking liability which I think may be the teams downfall in the end. For those already concerned about the passing from Neal, Brooks and Palmer, just think of the pressure on them with the top hitters hitting over Collins.
Now why is Elliott doing this? I have an opinion / theory. I feel is is feeling the pressure form a recruiting standpoint to play a highly recruited setter. From watching the matches this season, I feel he has been looking for any reason to replace Allison with Collins. He tried the 5-1 with Collins early during conference but had to go back to Allison during the Texas Tech match when Collins played poorly. During the home Iowa State match when the passing was terrible during the early part of game 1, he quickly pulled Allison with Collins. Collins has been setting the 5-1 since except for game 3 of the West Virginia match. BTW, that move pissed my off. You stated in a previous thread that it was not unusual for a coach to substitute setters when the match was in hand. I can't remember for sure it you were the poster to say, "mop up". Anyway I was pissed because you don't treat the defending national championship setter this way. Imagine the effect on Allison's confidence, especially if he needs Allison later in a key playoff match. My feeling is if you have made the setting decision this late in the season, you stick with your setter all the way.
So that's where I stand on this matter. Unlike what our 2 other posters think, it's not personal. And I won't be a weenie and call for all to block them!
And the great thing is if I am wrong, we will be playing in Washington in December. I hope I am wrong. Won't be the first time. Yes, I probably did use the term "mop up duty". That's what it was, IMO. What Hannah did last year was great. The entire team picked up their game in the NCAA tourney. But, that was last year. If Hannah isn't performing at that level this year, then Salima and Jerritt will make the tough decisions. To me, if they were playing the wrong setter, the other members of team would know it, and they would voice their discontent to the coaches. The following is something I posted on the WVU thread: You can look at this debate a couple of ways -- Chloe is so good as a true freshman that she is seriously challenging a 4th year senior who has had at least two years setting the majority of our hitters (Webster, Eckerman, Bell) and isn't as much of a blocking liability at 5'11. Or, Allison isn't playing as well this year as she did last year, and a 5'7 true freshman is playing well enough to unseat her. If both setters were 5'11, would the coaching staff be alternating setters?
Just to be clear, I wasn't criticizing your use of the term "mop up duty", because you are right, that's what it was. And IMO, you do not treat a national championship setter that way. I can only guess that Elliott was feeling some guilt about not playing her. It was best that the next match he went with Collins for the entire match.
Tonight's match against TCU is an example of our concern about freshman Collins as the team's setter. To be nice, her setting was brutal. And it's not because she's a bad setter, it's because she is an inexperienced freshman who is being asked to set a veteran national championship team. She is also immature as a freshman setter. I don't mean immature in terms of goofing off or being silly, I mean in the manner of being a leader. I am very surprised by her demeanor on the court. She's not the fiery leader on the court I was expecting - - my guess it's because she is deferring to the vets on the team.
And this thing about who is the better practice player is a load of Bevo Scat. Those who have been around sports understand that there can be a difference between playing in practice and the real game. You cannot replace the experience of a veteran like senior defending national championship setter Allison. And as someone mentioned last week, Elliott is playing with fire with this constant switching of setters in a 5 - 1 system this late in the season. It's hard enough to win a national championship and more so to defend it, but to put your match in the hands of an undersized freshman - that is a lot of pressure on Collins and on the rest of the team. Against the wrong team in a 1 and done situation, the season may be over early.
Finally, I was told that during the LHN broadcast, Elliott was asked after game 2 about Collins' poor setting and that he dismissed this and blamed Eckerman. Hope this is an exaggeration, but Elliot was very stubborn to continue with Collins in game 3 before finally replacing her with Allison for the rest of the match.
And who knows what he's going to do with his lineup Saturday in Oklahoma. Not good.
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Post by austex2010 on Oct 31, 2013 0:16:15 GMT -5
regarding the broadcast....Nell mentioned that it seemed like chloe was struggling to get the ball high enough for haley causing her to tip...Elliot response was that haley was swinging really well but that her two last swings; she had to tip on one and the last one she chose to tip. It didn't sound like he avoiding the question or blaming haley.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 0:41:33 GMT -5
And this thing about who is the better practice player is a load of Bevo Scat. Those who have been around sports understand that there can be a difference between playing in practice and the real game. You cannot replace the experience of a veteran like senior defending national championship setter Allison. And as someone mentioned last week, Elliott is playing with fire with this constant switching of setters in a 5 - 1 system this late in the season. It's hard enough to win a national championship and more so to defend it, but to put your match in the hands of an undersized freshman - that is a lot of pressure on Collins and on the rest of the team. Against the wrong team in a 1 and done situation, the season may be over early. Finally, I was told that during the LHN broadcast, Elliott was asked after game 2 about Collins' poor setting and that he dismissed this and blamed Eckerman. Hope this is an exaggeration, but Elliot was very stubborn to continue with Collins in game 3 before finally replacing her with Allison for the rest of the match. #1 - I would suggest you find yourself a copy of Wednesday's Austin American Statesman and read the article about McCage. She talks about not getting complacent in the gym and knowing that everyday is a battle to earn/keep your spot. EVERYDAY means every day including practices not just game days. #2 - With respect to Elliott's comments on LHN...why don't you do what you always do which is just make something up about what he said to fit your personal opinions. You have no problem doing that on this site, you've done it over and over again. I'd hate to see you actually make a real effort to know what he said before you accuse of him of blaming Eckerman. Don't understand context or what his quote was before you go off on what you think he said. 2nd hand re-telling of a quote is a step up for you over your normal lies. In case you're missing it, I'm tired of your bevo scat.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 1:48:18 GMT -5
And this thing about who is the better practice player is a load of Bevo Scat. Those who have been around sports understand that there can be a difference between playing in practice and the real game. You cannot replace the experience of a veteran like senior defending national championship setter Allison. And as someone mentioned last week, Elliott is playing with fire with this constant switching of setters in a 5 - 1 system this late in the season. It's hard enough to win a national championship and more so to defend it, but to put your match in the hands of an undersized freshman - that is a lot of pressure on Collins and on the rest of the team. Against the wrong team in a 1 and done situation, the season may be over early. Finally, I was told that during the LHN broadcast, Elliott was asked after game 2 about Collins' poor setting and that he dismissed this and blamed Eckerman. Hope this is an exaggeration, but Elliot was very stubborn to continue with Collins in game 3 before finally replacing her with Allison for the rest of the match. #1 - I would suggest you find yourself a copy of Wednesday's Austin American Statesman and read the article about McCage. She talks about not getting complacent in the gym and knowing that everyday is a battle to earn/keep your spot. EVERYDAY means every day including practices not just game days. #2 - With respect to Elliott's comments on LHN...why don't you do what you always do which is just make something up about what he said to fit your personal opinions. You have no problem doing that on this site, you've done it over and over again. I'd hate to see you actually make a real effort to know what he said before you accuse of him of blaming Eckerman. Don't understand context or what his quote was before you go off on what you think he said. 2nd hand re-telling of a quote is a step up for you over your normal lies. In case you're missing it, I'm tired of your bevo scat. Make up your mind - - I thought you had me on ignore.
To assist you, I said I was "told" about Elliott's comments about Collins and Eckerman and said "I hope it was an exaggeration". Let me know if you require any links to a dictionary or thesaurus to help you.
Regarding the comments from Molly, it appears that our young inexperienced setter has not been able to consistently carry over her great practices to real matches. But that is not a surprise since she is a freshman. Again ask I have said before, athleticism does not translate to technique. Thankfully, Elliott was able to turn to his experienced national championship setter again. This may work against mediocre teams like TCU, but may catch up with us in the one and done playoffs.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 1:49:18 GMT -5
regarding the broadcast....Nell mentioned that it seemed like chloe was struggling to get the ball high enough for haley causing her to tip...Elliot response was that haley was swinging really well but that her two last swings; she had to tip on one and the last one she chose to tip. It didn't sound like he avoiding the question or blaming haley. Thank you for clarifying this.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 1:58:44 GMT -5
#1 - I would suggest you find yourself a copy of Wednesday's Austin American Statesman and read the article about McCage. She talks about not getting complacent in the gym and knowing that everyday is a battle to earn/keep your spot. EVERYDAY means every day including practices not just game days. #2 - With respect to Elliott's comments on LHN...why don't you do what you always do which is just make something up about what he said to fit your personal opinions. You have no problem doing that on this site, you've done it over and over again. I'd hate to see you actually make a real effort to know what he said before you accuse of him of blaming Eckerman. Don't understand context or what his quote was before you go off on what you think he said. 2nd hand re-telling of a quote is a step up for you over your normal lies. In case you're missing it, I'm tired of your bevo scat. Make up your mind - - I thought you had me on ignore.
To assist you, I said I was "told" about Elliott's comments about Collins and Eckerman and said "I hope it was an exaggeration". Let me know if you require any links to a dictionary or thesaurus to help you.
Regarding the comments from Molly, it appears that our young inexperienced setter has not been able to consistently carry over her great practices to real matches. But that is not a surprise since she is a freshman. Again ask I have said before, athleticism does not translate to technique. Thankfully, Elliott was able to turn to his experienced national championship setter again. This may work against mediocre teams like TCU, but may catch up with us in the one and done playoffs.
I love getting analysis and lectures from someone who on the other thread questions why Chiaka was subbed out of the ISU match. The fact you had no clue as to why that happened speaks volumes towards your lack of any real volleyball knowledge. Congrats you had me convinced you played the sport and were knowledgeable about it. Now that I know what I'm dealing with, I'm totally finding it hilarious that the guy who doesn't understand we needed a passing sub in the ISU match is all over this board telling us who our setter should be. I'd suggest learning the sport before you start filling out lineup cards big boy. Your lying is still a problem but now that I know your volleyball expertise is nil, I'll cut you some slack.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 2:07:25 GMT -5
Make up your mind - - I thought you had me on ignore.
To assist you, I said I was "told" about Elliott's comments about Collins and Eckerman and said "I hope it was an exaggeration". Let me know if you require any links to a dictionary or thesaurus to help you.
Regarding the comments from Molly, it appears that our young inexperienced setter has not been able to consistently carry over her great practices to real matches. But that is not a surprise since she is a freshman. Again ask I have said before, athleticism does not translate to technique. Thankfully, Elliott was able to turn to his experienced national championship setter again. This may work against mediocre teams like TCU, but may catch up with us in the one and done playoffs.
I love getting analysis and lectures from someone who on the other thread questions why Chiaka was subbed out of the ISU match. The fact you had no clue as to why that happened speaks volumes towards your lack of any real volleyball knowledge. Congrats you had me convinced you played the sport and were knowledgeable about it. Now that I know what I'm dealing with, I'm totally finding it hilarious that the guy who doesn't understand we needed a passing sub in the ISU match is all over this board telling us who our setter should be. I'd suggest learning the sport before you start filling out lineup cards big boy. Your lying is still a problem but now that I know your volleyball expertise is nil, I'll cut you some slack. Thank you for your important words of wisdom. Allow me to do the same for you by passing on something I read yesterday: "As a side note to those tired of this discourse, you click on someone's name, then the wheel in the top right hand corner, and then hit "Block Member" and their posts are hidden. If you need to do that to me please do so, I try hard to not engage these twits but something is wrong mentally with me that I fail. I would encourage you to research yellovfan's posts and posters like him. Click on their name then at the bottom "View this member's recent posts". I think if you peruse through those posters' body of work you'll realize the Block Member functionality is a great feature on this site and is truly a great way to make volleytalk a more positive experience".
Adios!
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 2:14:54 GMT -5
While I'm over the moon you are listening to me instead of LYING about me, I don't think that is good advice for you. Now that I know what a novice you are, I'm aware you're like one of those geezers that sits next to me at the matches and wonders why Khat Bell isn't in the game. Or why did they take Bailey out, she's playing so well. Those people are like nails on a chalkboard to me, but I smile and patiently explain to them they have rotated to the back row and they aren't back row players. In volleyball you have to rotate, you can't stay in the front row the entire match. I know they'll never understand but I continue to try to explain. Please don't block me....I can be your teacher too. If you're a good student you can start filling out lineup cards. You can even put the girl who sits in front of you in class on the lineup card, the one that you have the crush on, you know the one.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 2:29:41 GMT -5
While I'm over the moon you are listening to me instead of LYING about me, I don't think that is good advice for you. Now that I know what a novice you are, I'm aware you're like one of those geezers that sits next to me at the matches and wonders why Khat Bell isn't in the game. Or why did they take Bailey out, she's playing so well. Those people are like nails on a chalkboard to me, but I smile and patiently explain to them they have rotated to the back row and they aren't back row players. In volleyball you have to rotate, you can't stay in the front row the entire match. I know they'll never understand but I continue to try to explain. Please don't block me....I can be your teacher too. If you're a good student you can start filling out lineup cards. You can even put the girl who sits in front of you in class on the lineup card, the one that you have the crush on, you know the one. My, aren't you the mean one! And these poor, poor "geezers" probably think you are such a gentlemen.
Buddy, I wasn't talking about blocking you - - I was reminding you of your promise to block me!
Now carry on with attacking Texas fans. That's what aggies do.
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