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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 31, 2013 8:17:57 GMT -5
"This Texas team could/should be playing much better than they are. They are winning, but they need to improve asap." Agree. After watching the match last night, Chloe is the better setter. 80% of her sets are in tempo and to the pin. HAnnah's sets were consistently falling far inside the pin and incredibly inconsistent distance from the net. Traps, too far off. She sure mastered the 40" moon ball. Hannah also cannot set a clean slide to the pin, which is where it was being run last night, to save her life. Chloe does have a great back set, be it a back 1, 5 or a slide. She had much better connections with the middle, mostly because HAnnah never even tried to set middle. Doesn't negate that there were issues with Chloe, hence her being pulled. She had free ball passes that should have been easy terminations but her sets were not where they should have been. I am not sure how temples-whatever could begin to argue with any of that, but he would if I hadn't blocked him.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 8:42:30 GMT -5
"This Texas team could/should be playing much better than they are. They are winning, but they need to improve asap." Agree. After watching the match last night, Chloe is the better setter. 80% of her sets are in tempo and to the pin. HAnnah's sets were consistently falling far inside the pin and incredibly inconsistent distance from the net. Traps, too far off. She sure mastered the 40" moon ball. Hannah also cannot set a clean slide to the pin, which is where it was being run last night, to save her life. Chloe does have a great back set, be it a back 1, 5 or a slide. She had much better connections with the middle, mostly because HAnnah never even tried to set middle. Doesn't negate that there were issues with Chloe, hence her being pulled. She had free ball passes that should have been easy terminations but her sets were not where they should have been. I am not sure how temples-whatever could begin to argue with any of that, but he would if I hadn't blocked him. I agree with close to everything you said in this post. Hannah did set the middles and they had a few nice kills off her sets, but she does it less frequently and I can see why you exaggerate that she never did to make a point. The fact you recognize the connection Collins has with the middles and why she was pulled has me believing your volleyball resume. Very reasonable post and less attacking on individual players. Now if yellovfan comes in with a positive post and Elevation posts something that resembles volleyball knowledge this will truly be a strange Halloween indeed.
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Post by vbtrainer02 on Oct 31, 2013 8:48:13 GMT -5
Chloe deserves the nod at the starting setter position. She has proven herself as a quality setter. Her defense is wonderful in the back row and she is extremely quick to get to 2 or 3 passes, and for once doesn't always go to the OH's when out of system like that. Texas played a great match against K-State. Great things happened and Chloe set that team to over a 300 clip. Hannah is a physical force at the net in blocking but she is slower in transition and ALWAYS uses the OH's to be rescued from a bad pass. Hannah came in as a very talented setter and earned her spot over Kocher, yet Kocher set Texas to a final four her freshman year, and ran a gorgeous 6:2 with Ashley in 09. Don't get me wrong, Hannah is a nice girl but Chloe is better. As far as the liability of her in the front row, not too worried about it, even when we play bigger teams like PSU or Washington etc etc. Chloe sets a better tempo and her location is more efficient than Hannah's. It's nice to have Hannah in reserve just in case we need her because she absolutely can spark up a set/match. Clearly however, Chloe will be our starter and it's well deserved. Texas improves every match and by tourney time they will be in top form ready for any team. With Collins at the wheel, she is confident, she is poised and she is ready to lead this team to yet another final four. Hannah will be the reserve and for good reason. I like her as a person but from a coaches point of view, she is not better than Collins. Hannah comes with experience, but Chloe does as well, and as a freshman she out sets Hannah. Sorry, not meaning to step on anyones toes but JE knows Chloe will start and Hannah will be reserved. Also with JE , you just never know, we may see Hannah out there tonight. IMO---I believe Hannah has not improved over her years at Texas, she was a great recruit for Texas but as much as I loved her physicality when she was a freshman, she seems to have become worse than better. Guys, she is senior setter, look at all the other senior setters in the powerhouse programs. Hannah is always just 2 steps behind. I have full confidence that Chloe will set this team to another final four. Even after looking great on the road at K-State, Texas will continue to improve and make a huge run for the title again and Chloe will have the reigns. This is just my opinion. I like both girls, they are great friends but as far as the sport goes, Chloe deserves the nod. She's great! Also something to be noted, Hannah is actually the first setter in a very long time to come to TExas and not earn any award whether it be B12 honors or Nationally. Anways, just my opinion once again. Not trying to be rude or mean, just my opinion that Collins has proven herself to start. If we are struggling then we have another set of hands to count on. LOL! Texas won a national championship with Allison and Allison was on the All Tournament Team for the Final 4. Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Chloe is IMO, better than Hannah, with the exception of blocking. Chloe had 18 assists in the first set with mediocre passing and then the passing went even more downhill. Hannah is just so predicatable. We all know you're going to Bailey. Our middles and rightside got so much less action once Hannah stepped foot on the court and you could see the frustration in their faces.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 31, 2013 8:49:56 GMT -5
LOL! Texas won a national championship with Allison and Allison was on the All Tournament Team for the Final 4. Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Chloe is IMO, better than Hannah, with the exception of blocking. Chloe had 18 assists in the first set with mediocre passing and then the passing went even more downhill. Hannah is just so predicatable. We all know you're going to Bailey. Our middles and rightside got so much less action once Hannah stepped foot on the court and you could see the frustration in their faces. Agreed. If we were playing with refs from 5-10 years ago, Hannah would have been called for more than the one ball handling error she got whistled for. Not pretty.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 10:23:03 GMT -5
LOL! Texas won a national championship with Allison and Allison was on the All Tournament Team for the Final 4. Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Chloe is IMO, better than Hannah, with the exception of blocking. Chloe had 18 assists in the first set with mediocre passing and then the passing went even more downhill. Hannah is just so predicatable. We all know you're going to Bailey. Our middles and rightside got so much less action once Hannah stepped foot on the court and you could see the frustration in their faces. No he does not. ElevationVB is a misnomer. He has no real understanding of volleyball particularly when it comes to passing and how it directly correlates to the performance of your setter. To prove my point, review the Texas vs TCU thread where he posts about his confusion as to why Chiaka was subbed out for Pilar when Chiaka wasn't performing poorly. Thanks for beating the drum with me though, just be aware of what you're dealing with and don't get too stressed about thinking you're having a dialogue with someone that understands the game.
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Post by PrettyInPink on Oct 31, 2013 10:23:18 GMT -5
"This Texas team could/should be playing much better than they are. They are winning, but they need to improve asap." Agree. After watching the match last night, Chloe is the better setter. 80% of her sets are in tempo and to the pin. HAnnah's sets were consistently falling far inside the pin and incredibly inconsistent distance from the net. Traps, too far off. She sure mastered the 40" moon ball. Hannah also cannot set a clean slide to the pin, which is where it was being run last night, to save her life. Chloe does have a great back set, be it a back 1, 5 or a slide. She had much better connections with the middle, mostly because HAnnah never even tried to set middle. Doesn't negate that there were issues with Chloe, hence her being pulled. She had free ball passes that should have been easy terminations but her sets were not where they should have been. I am not sure how temples-whatever could begin to argue with any of that, but he would if I hadn't blocked him. Yup. Hannah did have a connection with Bailey. (thanks to the lovely moon ball) Which was kind of shocking to me to see Bailey hit the bottom of the net a few times off of Chloe. They were pretty decent 4's that actually hit the pin, has she gotten used to the moon ball and struggles with timing? Don't get me wrong. She is a phenomenal hitter but, seeing those types of errors were shocking. On another note, the passing is slowly cleaning up which is encouraging. It's great to see that opposing teams are no longer serving to our libero. Way to go Palmer!
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Post by texasex01 on Oct 31, 2013 10:28:08 GMT -5
On another note, the passing is slowly cleaning up which is encouraging. It's great to see that opposing teams are no longer serving to our libero. Way to go Palmer! I had a WTF moment until I read the end. LOL
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 31, 2013 10:44:49 GMT -5
After watching the match last night, Chloe is the better setter. 80% of her sets are in tempo and to the pin. HAnnah's sets were consistently falling far inside the pin and incredibly inconsistent distance from the net. Traps, too far off. She sure mastered the 40" moon ball. Hannah also cannot set a clean slide to the pin, which is where it was being run last night, to save her life. Chloe does have a great back set, be it a back 1, 5 or a slide. She had much better connections with the middle, mostly because HAnnah never even tried to set middle. Doesn't negate that there were issues with Chloe, hence her being pulled. She had free ball passes that should have been easy terminations but her sets were not where they should have been. I am not sure how temples-whatever could begin to argue with any of that, but he would if I hadn't blocked him. Yup. Hannah did have a connection with Bailey. (thanks to the lovely moon ball) Which was kind of shocking to me to see Bailey hit the bottom of the net a few times off of Chloe. They were pretty decent 4's that actually hit the pin, has she gotten used to the moon ball and struggles with timing? Don't get me wrong. She is a phenomenal hitter but, seeing those types of errors were shocking. On another note, the passing is slowly cleaning up which is encouraging. It's great to see that opposing teams are no longer serving to our libero. Way to go Palmer! Amy Neal was struggling. Kat Brooks was only okay. The passes she did have to target were passed 40" in the air, which has to affect OH and middle timing. A DS should be able to pass to target with little air under the ball. It's not like TCU was serving all that amazingly. WAY too many balls dropping on tips to the left front from TCU's OHs. TX did not adjust when Bailey was OH and they tipped over the middle to her feet. Left back defense should be all over that if it's trending. TCU IS NOT a good team and had one or two hitters terminating well, mostly because of the distribution and fast tempo of the outside and RS sets.
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Post by texasex01 on Oct 31, 2013 10:46:06 GMT -5
Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Agreed 100%. Jerritt and his staff are really gambling by not putting the priority on passing and ball control with this year's team. The 2-person serve-receive formations are going to get exposed because Neal, Brooks, and Eckerman are all weak passers. With Pilar playing as the 6 rotation Opposite, it allows for 3 receivers on the court in every rotation. She may not put the blocking numbers as Chi, but at least it gives a better chance for the offense to be run in-system through the MBs and LS hitters.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 12:40:26 GMT -5
After watching the match last night, Chloe is the better setter. 80% of her sets are in tempo and to the pin. HAnnah's sets were consistently falling far inside the pin and incredibly inconsistent distance from the net. Traps, too far off. She sure mastered the 40" moon ball. Hannah also cannot set a clean slide to the pin, which is where it was being run last night, to save her life. Chloe does have a great back set, be it a back 1, 5 or a slide. She had much better connections with the middle, mostly because HAnnah never even tried to set middle. Doesn't negate that there were issues with Chloe, hence her being pulled. She had free ball passes that should have been easy terminations but her sets were not where they should have been. I am not sure how temples-whatever could begin to argue with any of that, but he would if I hadn't blocked him. Yup. Hannah did have a connection with Bailey. (thanks to the lovely moon ball) Which was kind of shocking to me to see Bailey hit the bottom of the net a few times off of Chloe. They were pretty decent 4's that actually hit the pin, has she gotten used to the moon ball and struggles with timing? Don't get me wrong. She is a phenomenal hitter but, seeing those types of errors were shocking. On another note, the passing is slowly cleaning up which is encouraging. It's great to see that opposing teams are no longer serving to our libero. Way to go Palmer! Pressure to defend a national championship may be beginning to have an impact on Elliott. Did you watch him on the sidelines last night - - he must have argued with the down refs 4 or 5 plays in a row looking for this call or that call.
The problem for Elliott with Collins is the same he had to face with Amy Neal early in the season playing front row as an OH. Technically Amy is a very good OH, but the reality is that she cannot play effectively an an OH for a major D1 program like Texas because she is too short. She had flashes of excellence but in the end, she was not effective consistently killing the ball.
We are seeing the same with Collins - - flashes of excellence but you just don't know when she is going to be mediocre like last night. A lot has to do with inexperience, but you cannot overlook how undersized she is, especially at a major D1 program like Texas. The impact to Webster & Eckerman is clear. The constant switching between setters is having a negative impact on them and the team. Struggling wit TCU at home is not good - - an off night by Collins against a good team during the NCAA playoffs means the end of the season.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 12:45:49 GMT -5
LOL! Texas won a national championship with Allison and Allison was on the All Tournament Team for the Final 4. Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Chloe is IMO, better than Hannah, with the exception of blocking. Chloe had 18 assists in the first set with mediocre passing and then the passing went even more downhill. Hannah is just so predicatable. We all know you're going to Bailey. Our middles and rightside got so much less action once Hannah stepped foot on the court and you could see the frustration in their faces. Translation:
When Texas is good, it's Collins. When Texas is bad and Collins is setting, it's the passing. When Texas is good and Allison is setting, it's the hitters. When Texas is bad and Allison is setting, it's Allison.
Do you know why she went to Webster and Eckerman in the 4th set over and over again? To win the match. Don't think for a minute that Elliott didn't instruct her to do that. He was worried about losing game 4 to TCU and needed his senior setter to rescue the team by doing what she does best - setting 2 of the tops OH's in the country.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 13:04:39 GMT -5
Here's a very simplistic volleyball 101 for Elevation - When the UT fans chant "WE" that is the pass. When the UT fans chant "ARE" that is the set which you are 100% critical of when Collins is setting. When the UT fans chant "TEXAS" that is the kill happening due to Webster or Eckerman 99.9% of the time when Hannah is setting.
Next time you watch a match, focus your attention on when the fans are chanting "WE". See where the ball goes. A perfect pass is one that basically lands right on top of the setter's head, where she has all of her hitting options available to her. If the pass is so bad that she's running for the ball or trying to fish it out of the net like was going on last night then it's going to make the setter look mediocre to a novice. There were some pretty crappy passes fished out of the net and turned into great sets by that "mediocre" setter last night. Maybe go back and watch the LHN broadcast and see if you can identify those. Chloe's setting was not consistent last night, she got pulled because her sets were really flat when he pulled her. But I'm really concerned you have no concept that great passing leads to great setting. Harping on setters and saying that switching them out will be the reason we lose in the NCAA playoffs is wrong....we will make an early exit due to poor passing.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 31, 2013 13:13:25 GMT -5
Is that what you tell the "geezer" Texas fans who make your skin crawl while you explain with a smile?
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 31, 2013 13:32:52 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, our geriatric crowd seems to get the fact a good pass leads to better setting. Maybe you should try sitting among them and some knowledge will rub off.
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Post by vbtrainer02 on Oct 31, 2013 15:15:01 GMT -5
Do you know why we won the national championship last year? It wasn't because of Hannah. It was because of Sha. Sha passed nails the entire season and its easy to set a team to a national championship when you don't have to move to set the ball. Our ball control is down bc Sha isn't there. Chloe is IMO, better than Hannah, with the exception of blocking. Chloe had 18 assists in the first set with mediocre passing and then the passing went even more downhill. Hannah is just so predicatable. We all know you're going to Bailey. Our middles and rightside got so much less action once Hannah stepped foot on the court and you could see the frustration in their faces. Translation:
When Texas is good, it's Collins. When Texas is bad and Collins is setting, it's the passing. When Texas is good and Allison is setting, it's the hitters. When Texas is bad and Allison is setting, it's Allison.
Do you know why she went to Webster and Eckerman in the 4th set over and over again? To win the match. Don't think for a minute that Elliott didn't instruct her to do that. He was worried about losing game 4 to TCU and needed his senior setter to rescue the team by doing what she does best - setting 2 of the tops OH's in the country. You are the one that insinuates that fact that Hannah is the goddess of Texas volleyball. I'm just pointing out the fact that any setter is good when you have a passer like Sha and neither do so yeah thats why we went into 4 sets with a team that is garbage. I'm so glad you know exactly what JE told Hannah. Get out of here.
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