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Post by vball54 on Feb 21, 2014 17:37:55 GMT -5
2manytourneys, I am not quite sure about your logic on this post. When a team has a losing season and if the coach wants to make changes to turn it around, then no big surprise if girls are going to leave. The concern should be when you have a winning season and make the tournament and then have a large group of great players leave, i.e. Tennessee, then that should raise a big question.
Noone has clearly explained on this site why Reed left and why such super star senior players did not succeed in Coach Alvey's first season. It appears she was able to have success at Houston with other upperclass players from the previous coach. If Miss Alvey is as good a person as you state and she can coach at a high level as you state again, why does it concern you that four girls have left? Have you actaully studied what the four girls brought to the program? Do you know what girls are coming in and if the best players on the team stayed? Do you know if there were attitude issues with any of the four girls who left? It appears to me that you have fallen in the same trap many do on this site and that is to react to numbers without knowing the details.
I agree 100%, that if Miss Alvey does not turn the program around next season, she needs to be gone. She has had three years, two recruiting classes and she has set the schedule. But at least know the details of what is going on before you kick her out the door. And by the way, Miss Alvey seems to be a good enough coach to keep girls playing at the end of a bad season. Many girls would have given up but it appears they kept fighting. What is the true measure of a good coach?
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Post by 2manytourneys on Feb 21, 2014 18:25:08 GMT -5
2manytourneys, I am not quite sure about your logic on this post. When a team has a losing season and if the coach wants to make changes to turn it around, then no big surprise if girls are going to leave. The concern should be when you have a winning season and make the tournament and then have a large group of great players leave, i.e. Tennessee, then that should raise a big question. Noone has clearly explained on this site why Reed left and why such super star senior players did not succeed in Coach Alvey's first season. It appears she was able to have success at Houston with other upperclass players from the previous coach. If Miss Alvey is as good a person as you state and she can coach at a high level as you state again, why does it concern you that four girls have left? Have you actaully studied what the four girls brought to the program? Do you know what girls are coming in and if the best players on the team stayed? Do you know if there were attitude issues with any of the four girls who left? It appears to me that you have fallen in the same trap many do on this site and that is to react to numbers without knowing the details. I agree 100%, that if Miss Alvey does not turn the program around next season, she needs to be gone. She has had three years, two recruiting classes and she has set the schedule. But at least know the details of what is going on before you kick her out the door. And by the way, Miss Alvey seems to be a good enough coach to keep girls playing at the end of a bad season. Many girls would have given up but it appears they kept fighting. What is the true measure of a good coach? Let's see. Where to start, hmmm... First, I made my "logical" points as plain as could be. If you don't agree with me, that's valid. Its funny to me that you think I would wade into a situation like this and say the things I said without knowledge of what went on, but you are free to believe whatever you want. As for where I am coming from... I do know the details. I am a Cincinnati native and UC alum. I'm not falling into the trap as you stated. Our team did. We can still get out, but we have to chew our leg off to do it. I do know the team, players former and current, . I followed the team RELIGIOUSLY before during and after Reed. Molly didn't succeed with Reed's players because she wasn't as good of a coach as he was. Big surprise. That being said... She was good enough. It just wasn't a fit. Good coach doesn't always mean good record. As I've watched over the past three years, it's been a slow unravelling. She wasn't the most organized, nor was she the most innovative when the normal things happen (injuries regarding lineup changes, transfers, etc.) Now, I did say I think she is capable and a good person, but I said this has gotten too far away from her. I know the players who are staying, who are leaving (by the way, more to come) and yes the coaches who left. Two of the top players are history and it won't end there. I know the coach coming in. (Everyone in the program does). Mark my words, vball54. The ship is going down. If I were the AD, based on many reasons, NOT W/L, I'd go ahead and buy her out. By the way, "a good enough coach to keep girls playing at the end of a bad season. Many girls would have given up but it appears they kept fighting," is a ridiculous statement. What do you think they would do? Sit down and cry. Give me a break. This happens to a lot of programs and no one forfeits their remaining games. Kids have pride, bud.
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Post by david on Feb 22, 2014 21:10:13 GMT -5
Taking a quick glance through stats, it looks like a few hitters picked it up the last few matches- Wegman, Lang, Nicholson- and if the new setter can come in and stabilize the offense, Cincinatti should be better this year. How much better... anyone know if their schedule will be as brutal this year as it was last?
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Post by elevationvb on Feb 22, 2014 21:49:47 GMT -5
Taking a quick glance through stats, it looks like a few hitters picked it up the last few matches- Wegman, Lang, Nicholson- and if the new setter can come in and stabilize the offense, Cincinatti should be better this year. How much better... anyone know if their schedule will be as brutal this year as it was last? Well the conference is lousy and with Louisville gone, the terrible teams have a chance to be average.
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Post by ptosh on Feb 23, 2014 9:31:38 GMT -5
Taking a quick glance through stats, it looks like a few hitters picked it up the last few matches- Wegman, Lang, Nicholson- and if the new setter can come in and stabilize the offense, Cincinatti should be better this year. How much better... anyone know if their schedule will be as brutal this year as it was last? Brutal schedule last year?? Clearly a matter of perspective but its hard for me to call a schedule that includes Navy, Duquesne, NKU, Cleveland State, Temple and then a weak conference as 'brutal'. Geez, I wouldnt even call it 'difficult'. Yes there should be improvement this year but that means beating 3 teams.
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Post by Old Bearcat on Feb 23, 2014 11:51:55 GMT -5
Old Bearcat, are ou a member of the LBC? Nope...
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Post by vball54 on Feb 24, 2014 9:20:20 GMT -5
2manytourneys, Yes, you did make your factual statements very clear. However, your logic does not make sense. Perhaps we can try this again. If Miss Alvey is both a good person and can coach at a high level, why is she struggling at Cincinnati? I can only judge your comments on what you write. It appears that you are saying that a good coach/person at Cincinnati can still fail. If that is the case and since you have such great inside information, please do tell. Please answer the following: (1) As to Miss Alvey's first year when they went 12-20 with six seniors, why did they lose so many matches? (2) I will give you some multiple options to chose and you can add your own; (a) becasue they had a ridicolouse schedule put tpgether by Reed or Alvey; (2) they had a key transer, their setter( after the spring semester) and could not find a reasonable replacement; (3) there was a culture among the seniors that Miss Alvey could not handle; or (4) you fill in the answer________; (3) This year they appeared very young from their roster and the recruiting class did not pan out, early injuries hurt them and they could not build any momentum, is this true? Again, just looking from the outside, perhaps you have inside information, is this Miss Alvey's fault or other factors, please do share your knowledge; (4) What is coming back, what recruits are coming in, have any recruits decommitted? Since you have inside information, do tell. Finally, it is very easy to criticize and seek a firing. Seems very harsh to me, but that may now be the way of the world of volleyball. O by the way, why was Reed fired? Since you know so much, please do tell.
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Post by dgo on Feb 24, 2014 10:02:45 GMT -5
I just noticed that last year's Bearcat assistant, Steve Vencl, recently got hired at Georgia State. Probably old news on this website, but I hadn't seen it mentioned on this thread (although there was a reference to the HC "firing off her staff"). I just saw him at a tournament a couple of weeks ago, recruiting for Cinci, so this was a surprise to me. According to their website right now, the only staff member besides the HC is a volunteer assistant.
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Post by Phaedrus on Feb 24, 2014 10:44:13 GMT -5
I just noticed that last year's Bearcat assistant, Steve Vencl, recently got hired at Georgia State. Probably old news on this website, but I hadn't seen it mentioned on this thread (although there was a reference to the HC "firing off her staff"). I just saw him at a tournament a couple of weeks ago, recruiting for Cinci, so this was a surprise to me. According to their website right now, the only staff member besides the HC is a volunteer assistant. The volunteer has been elevated to a full assistant position.
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Post by shark on Feb 24, 2014 11:42:46 GMT -5
The thing that stands out to me about this whole situation - lots of transfers and the staff leaving - says more about how the Head Coach has reacted after such a poor season as compared to the poor season. There are a lot of programs that have less than memorable seasons and the players and staff don't leave in droves. A usual scenario is that the HC is under a lot of pressure and he/she reacts in a less than controlled manner, they start the blame game and then everything quickly heads down the toilet. I have zero knowledge of this situation but if there was a pool I would love to throw a few dollars at this scenario.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 24, 2014 11:51:55 GMT -5
I think Reed put a spell on the program.
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Post by ptosh on Feb 24, 2014 15:33:53 GMT -5
(2) I will give you some multiple options to chose and you can add your own; (a) becasue they had a ridicolouse schedule put tpgether by Reed or Alvey; I dont want back in on this hiring issue or the lack of success since Reed and staff were fired, but for factual purposes: Reed put together the vast majority of the schedule for the 2012 season; I think the only open date was the one filled with Tennessee. Much like the recent post on the 'brutal' 2013 schedule, your 'ridicolouse schedule' comment shows your bias or a real lack of understanding. In 2011 UC had just won the Big East conference, just missed making it to the NCAA Sweet 16 by losing in 5 sets to Florida State in Tallahassee and finished with a 27-10 record with a team mostly 'led' by juniors. This was a program pushing to be a regular Top 25 team, ready to move deep into the NCAA tournament. The schedule was not ridiculous at all - A tough non-conference schedule was a great idea for a veteran team looking to become a top program. All the benefits of playing higher level talent, etc... Who knew there would be a rash of very poor decisions that would plummet this program so quickly? But you can now let your mind be eased as to who set the UC 2012 schedule and perhaps understand how sensible it all was.
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Post by david on Feb 24, 2014 23:22:26 GMT -5
Sorry, "brutal" was an overstatement, although a majority of the non-conference opponents- North Carolina, Butler, Cleveland State, Michigan State, Ohio, and Morehead State- were at or near the top of their respective conferences.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 11:08:45 GMT -5
I am new to posting on this site, but love the sport of volleyball and have always kept up with volleytalk. But living in the area I felt the need to share my insight. Anyone with a high volleyball IQ would probably know that a program that goes 3-29 are going to get rid of some players. And some on this post talk of "inside information". Well let's see, they lost four players one; a 5-7 walk on setter, two an out of shape opposite that had five knee surgeries, three an outside that had no vertical and limited lateral movement, and the fourth I agree was sort of a loss, but she was an athlete not a volleyball player. These four players were a quick fix because there was nothing left in the program. Not talking about decommittements, talking about no players in the cycle of recruiting that were committed to UC. If coach Alvey upgrades each of those positions, I'm confused what all the fuss is about? If I were a UC alum I would not want to watch these players anymore either. If I were in the HC shoes i would want to clean house as well and upgrade every position whether it be players or ACs.
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Post by vball54 on Feb 25, 2014 12:27:13 GMT -5
vballchat, you do provide some interesting information which appears that you gleamed from more than just living in the area. I do take one exception to your comment about the four who left. These four were Coach Alvey's first real recruiting class. The year before was not a full blown effort on her behalf becasue of the time when she enterd the program. These four girls were actaully recruited by Miss Alvey. If everything is as you say, then she did a very poor job of recruiting. It will be very interesting to see what this next class looks like after putting up a 3-29 season. If she can actually upgrade the positions maybe she can survive beyound just next year, only time will tell on this issue.
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