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Post by spikeninja on Feb 25, 2014 13:32:32 GMT -5
To say that ANY coach gets let go in this short of time is ridiculous, it take times to build a program. That said, this wasn't a program that needed building, it was already there.
And it wasn't Reed had one or two good season and bolted, he had a steady string of good seasons. It was a consistent winner year after year. Not a one and done so the slide back to mediocrity is fast. That is the compelling factor here. The true starting point, to where it is today, and the time it took to get there, that is a warning flag.
To take a program without great volleyball tradition and building it takes a helluva lot longer than 3 seasons and two recruiting classes. It realistically takes about 6-7 seasons (caveat, WITH administrative support). Yes, realistically. If it happens quicker, great. Hopefully no rules were broken.
When you consider the starting point was high, and current status is this low in that short time span, yes it certainly looks like that girl is swimming in the deep end of the pool holding a brick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 16:11:36 GMT -5
Again, take a look at what the former coach left behind. There were not decommittments, there was just nothing coming in.
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Post by lowcalboy on Feb 25, 2014 22:23:10 GMT -5
What does everyone expect. UC went from a coach with high level playing experience and many years developing a program (Sunahara) to a coach with very low level playing and little high level coaching (Alvey). The AD's choice in the head coach is the reason UC had a 3-29 season. It's hard for everyone, players, fans, and coaches to go from a top tier team to the bottom of the barrel. I guess the question is: Is UC willing to let Alvey develop a program over many years… and do they have the confidence in her to bring the program back to the upper level.
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Post by spikeninja on Feb 26, 2014 9:09:17 GMT -5
What does everyone expect. UC went from a coach with high level playing experience and many years developing a program (Sunahara) to a coach with very low level playing and little high level coaching (Alvey). The AD's choice in the head coach is the reason UC had a 3-29 season. It's hard for everyone, players, fans, and coaches to go from a top tier team to the bottom of the barrel. I guess the question is: Is UC willing to let Alvey develop a program over many years… and do they have the confidence in her to bring the program back to the upper level. All relevant and good points. All of these will answer the primary question...does the administration really care whether it has a good volleyball program or not? We hear the company line all the time about: We want to be competitive in ALL our programs. But how they allocate their resources and energy is the tell tale sign of that. Big resources usually means an expectation of big ROI in terms of program success. Outside of most teams in the big 3 VB conferences, I don't think admins really care. There is no question that when it happened and now, questions arose from the experienced volleyball community when this hire was made. With the exception of the few "this is great hire" and "she will do well there" comments, which seems to go hand in hand with ANY mango hire. But there is no denying that this coach is not Reed Sunahara. And that's not saying he is the end all be all, it's just stating a fact. And to expect the current coach with her resume and background to get same results as the previous coach and his track record, I think is unrealistic. That said...UC made the choice. And that now they have to live with it. I don't know the talent pool of coaches that applied for the job, so for all I know Alvey was truly their best choice. I can not speak intelligently to the truth of that. I can speculate and I would be surprised if there weren't stronger candidates considering the success of the program. IMO....being that she is a female and the choice of the current administration...she will get her 9 lives to stay there, no matter we post on chatboard. Because administrations LOVE female head coaches in volleyball so that they can hire whoever they want for basketball. Or because someone has an agenda to get more females in those positions for whatever reason. And that is not to discredit the truly talented and proven success stories because there are. Unless the players or alumni stir and cause unrest, she isn't going anywhere and will have a long, long leash to establish her program. That is what my gut tells me. Whether we think its right or wrong is irrelevant. Perfect example: what team provided for 2 of those 3 wins she got this year? And how long has that coach led that program? Most administrations don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 13:31:06 GMT -5
I think when people on this post bring up the previous coach, has anyone found out why he was asked to leave UC or why he was asked to leave the women's NT? think we should debate that before people want to debate who was hired to clean up his mess!!
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 26, 2014 14:02:53 GMT -5
I think when people on this post bring up the previous coach, has anyone found out why he was asked to leave UC or why he was asked to leave the women's NT? think we should debate that before people want to debate who was hired to clean up his mess!! Look, we get it. You either have an axe to grind when it comes to Reed or you're trying to deflect the conversation away from Molly. Based on everything you've posted, I'd lean towards the former. Your constant fishing for dirt is the worst kind of trolling.
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Post by vball54 on Feb 26, 2014 14:11:27 GMT -5
vballchat, that issue has been raised many times only to fall on deaf ears. Those who know the situation are not talking. I don't know the guy but for some reason this guy is golden on this site. Good luck to Buffalo, I hope they did their homework.
The so called insiders distance themselves from this topic. Why? It appears to me that it was bad enough for him to get himself fired. It also looks like he put together a farewell schedule and then left with the all world setter leaving and without any great talent coming in. I am sure if he had stayed he would have remied that situation. From his record, he had been succesful for many years. No one can dispute that fact.
It appears he left Coach Alvey holding the bag and her getting all the blame. Shame on the Cincinnati people who stayed quite. Who do you think you were doing a good service to? If bad deeds were invovled, then bad deeds should never be covered up. At a minimum,it sure comes across as a lot of bad kharma.
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Post by ptosh on Feb 26, 2014 14:13:27 GMT -5
Its a new AD at Cincinnati; we will see how long he tolerates the state of the volleyball program.
vballchat, your posts are obviously biased and in opposition to facts.
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Post by ptosh on Feb 26, 2014 14:15:57 GMT -5
vballchat, that issue has been raised many times only to fall on deaf ears. Those who know the situation are not talking. I don't know the guy but for some reason this guy is golden on this site. Good luck to Buffalo, I hope they did their homework. The so called insiders distance themselves from this topic. Why? It appears to me that it was bad enough for him to get himself fired. It also looks like he put together a farewell schedule and then left with the all world setter leaving and without any great talent coming in. I am sure if he had stayed he would have remied that situation. From his record, he had been succesful for many years. No one can dispute that fact. It appears he left Coach Alvey holding the bag and her getting all the blame. Shame on the Cincinnati people who stayed quite. Who do you think you were doing a good service to? If bad deeds were invovled, then bad deeds should never be covered up. At a minimum,it sure comes across as a lot of bad kharma. Shame, shame, shame on you vball54. I explained all this to you in personal conversations, yet you refuse to acknowledge anyone/thing that doesnt fit your pre-set interpretation of what happened. If you dont want the facts, dont ask.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 14:16:04 GMT -5
I think when people on this post bring up the previous coach, has anyone found out why he was asked to leave UC or why he was asked to leave the women's NT? think we should debate that before people want to debate who was hired to clean up his mess!! I'm pretty sure he was asked to join the USNT team, and when the right jobs opened up, he decided to leave. He has family in Ohio so the hour or two or three it takes to drive from UB to his family in OH 2-3 times a month wherever the heck that may be is a whole lot better than flying to your family 3-4 times a year. Knock it off. You don't help Molly if that's what you're going for, by bashing Reed.
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Post by spikeninja on Feb 26, 2014 14:46:46 GMT -5
I think when people on this post bring up the previous coach, has anyone found out why he was asked to leave UC or why he was asked to leave the women's NT? think we should debate that before people want to debate who was hired to clean up his mess!! Look, we get it. You either have an axe to grind when it comes to Reed or you're trying to deflect the conversation away from Molly. Based on everything you've posted, I'd lean towards the former. Your constant fishing for dirt is the worst kind of trolling. +1 here.... This is not a thread about Reed and what happened at UC. It is about the current state of UC volleyball. If you want to try and drudge up a thread about Reed, good luck getting that by Doppleganger and clan. It won't last. On THIS topic, his mess was leaving behind a consistent 20 game winning program that is now 3 and whatever. People are looking for answers to this. If 3-20ish was inherited, then we can do the Obama and blame our predecessor for 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 17:24:06 GMT -5
I am not trying to bash the previous coach at all. I would never go there or do that to any coach. Just being a native of Cincinnati I am looking for answers on the mess the previous coach left behind for whoever was hired for this job.
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Post by Not Me on Feb 26, 2014 19:05:12 GMT -5
From the coach's twitter feed:
@coachalveyuc: It's a GREAT day to be a Bearcat!! Just landed a Top 30 recruit in the country for 2015. GO BEARCATS! #BearcatNation
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Post by Mocha on Feb 26, 2014 19:53:23 GMT -5
From the coach's twitter feed: @coachalveyuc: It's a GREAT day to be a Bearcat!! Just landed a Top 30 recruit in the country for 2015. GO BEARCATS! #BearcatNation Gotta be careful with NCAA recruiting rules.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Feb 26, 2014 20:04:02 GMT -5
I am not trying to bash the previous coach at all. I would never go there or do that to any coach. Just being a native of Cincinnati I am looking for answers on the mess the previous coach left behind for whoever was hired for this job. Do you know for a fact he was asked to leave the NT?
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