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Post by vball54 on Oct 23, 2013 14:47:08 GMT -5
Good point, and well stated.
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Post by fortheloveofcincy on Oct 23, 2013 15:08:14 GMT -5
To vball54 and bangtheball aka "crazy-makers, divas and/or drama queens": Vball54 if your daughter plays for Cincy he is your AD. So pick up the phone and call him...if not and you're just a concerned vollyeball fan pick up the phone and call him...ask him your questions....I have! So stopping asking this community to tell you. Have the balls to call the AD yourself. No one owes you any facts! Enough of the speculation about "the Reed saga" on this board...and trying to bait people... please...you have NO idea of what happened or didnt happen and if you do..then you have your own version of the truth...like we all do. Here's my truth. I respect Reed. He was forced out. End of story. Hey bangtheball...what bad choices? These types of comments do nothing but fill both of your desires to be gossip mongers with a flair for drama. You like to create chaos! Oh...I can see your retort now vball54 and bangtheball, but please spare me your diatribe! Oh and for the record bangtheball, Volley Talk has been more than fair and reasonable in allowing people to express thier thoughts on topics on this board. You can't make malicicous statements.
Molly isn't cleaning up after Reed...this is her team. Go back and listen to her first interview and the reason why she came to Cincy. Go read some of the articles where in her first season she stated that the team is light years ahead of where they were when she first came...or ask about the snafu with number 11...or the changes that she made to the support staff. She came in without an understanding of the long volleyball tradition that we've had... Every team has rebuiding to do and Reed and his assisant coaches would have had to rebuild. Molly's poor choices on how to rebuild is not a reflection on Reed...or the AD.... but on her and her alone. Come on...21 losses and no wins! Yep thats Reed and the ADs fault alright...what world do you live in? And if you want to continue the crazy making why dont you focus on the currents issues with the program and the team...which if my hunch is correct I think you know...and if not mea culpa! You sure seem to have a real desire to unearth the past...but the past no longer counts...its the here and now that was created by the current coaching staff....Molly... the Head Coach of UC volleyball.... Someone will go at the end of the season...I doubt its Molly but it really should be...hmmm I wonder then who would take the open assistant job? Dont think we'll have to look to far then her own backyard. Isn't there a saying...all hat and no cattle...yep...that about summs it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 15:46:48 GMT -5
I know trying to be the voice of reason here falls on deaf ears, but It's her second year, let me know how they're doing in 2 more years after her freshman have cycled through the program. Yeah we get it, she isn't Reed, but neither are you so get off her case already.
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Post by owlsem on Oct 23, 2013 17:10:08 GMT -5
I don't know what happened, and if you know, don't tell me because I don't care. I am not a Cincinnati fan. What strikes me is the anger and blame in some of these posts is counter productive. If you are a Reed fan get over it and root for him wherever he is, complaints about his dismissal are not going to bring Reed back. If you are a Cincinnati fan you are not doing any good right now calling publicly for Molly's head. It can't help recruiting. From what I know her 2015 class has two fine players and with time the future looks better. So please root for Molly or Root for Reed but don't spend your time rooting for the failure of the other. The negative attitude might have more to do with this year than the coaches did.
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Post by bangtheball on Oct 23, 2013 19:33:28 GMT -5
#1) To vball54 and bangtheball aka "crazy-makers, divas and/or drama queens": #2) Hey bangtheball...what bad choices? You can't make malicicous statements. #3) Every team has rebuiding to do and Reed and his assisant coaches would have had to rebuild. #4) You sure seem to have a real desire to unearth the past...but the past no longer counts...its the here and now that was created by the current coaching staff. re: #1) I've never been called a diva and/or a drama queen... wow... are you trying to hurt my feelings? re: #2) I'm not the only one that knows Sunahara made bad choices... but yes he made bad choices... enough said. re: #3) Sunahara's worst year, out of 12 seasons at Cincinnati, he went 20-12... I guess that may have been a rebuilding year. re: #4) The topic of this thread is "What has happened to Cincinnati?"... yes the past does count when addressing that question. Pardon me while I go adjust my tutu...
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Post by austintatious on Oct 23, 2013 21:59:57 GMT -5
OK, here is everyone's opportunity to pile on. My question is:
If Reed was asked to resign/forced out/suggested to leave, for any type of inappropriate behavior, be it sexual, abusive, financial,as has certainly been hinted at on this board, then doesn't UC have a responsibility to report that behavior to the appropriate authorities.
Secondly, since so much was made of his leaving, don't you think that Doug Beal would do his due diligence prior to hiring Reed to a position which puts him in contact with the players much more than a college program? I cannot imagine Doug not calling UC and saying "Should I hire this guy?"
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 23, 2013 22:19:12 GMT -5
OK, here is everyone's opportunity to pile on. My question is: If Reed was asked to resign/forced out/suggested to leave, for any type of inappropriate behavior, be it sexual, abusive, financial,as has certainly been hinted at on this board, then doesn't UC have a responsibility to report that behavior to the appropriate authorities. Secondly, since so much was made of his leaving, don't you think that Doug Beal would do his due diligence prior to hiring Reed to a position which puts him in contact with the players much more than a college program? I cannot imagine Doug not calling UC and saying "Should I hire this guy?" I think Doug and Karch know Reed, and obviously trust and respect him. I am certain they had conversations about things that led to him leaving, and obviously were comfortably, Its also very important to recognize the two coaching jobs are so totally different, so what may have been an issue as a collegiate coach may not be on the NT. I also think its time to drop what did or didn't happen, we don't know, its ancient history.
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 23, 2013 22:31:13 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but is she related to all-time Viking great Mick Tingelhoff? yes i think he is her grandpa Sunahara was a jerk to his players at Cincinatti. Maybe it was the right thing to do for them to be competitive and successful. (He'll be perfect as an assistant on the NT) I happen to know a lot about what went on behind the scenes during his days at Cincinatti. However, he created a competitive atmosphere. The current coach doesn't seem to know how to instill that competitiveness in them.
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Post by ptosh on Oct 24, 2013 6:09:58 GMT -5
This really isnt about what happened with Reed and staff- perhaps you are aware that Reed and Myanna have moved on and are both very successful in volleyball away from UC. The Bearcat fans just want to see the same thing happen with this current team - be a program we can be proud of! These are not Reed's players (only 2 remain)- these results lie squarely with Molly and staff. 2nd round appearances in the NCAA tournament and pushing to make the Sweet 16 was where we were - can we get back on that path? But first, can we end this alarming freefall? Some changes appear to be necessary.
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Post by crazy8 on Oct 24, 2013 6:30:08 GMT -5
Althog?ugh fortheloveofcincy has very valid points in regards to UC current record and situation , and certainly her ability to choose recruits would have to be questioned at this point. The asst. coach doesn't make final recruiting decisions ...so in fairness how has her recruiting decisions impacted the team? While its early , it usually is apparent early on if you have an impact player on your roster , any sign of an impact player? Just curious. They are going to need a superstar to pull out of the current spiral next year , anyone see that coming?
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 24, 2013 7:21:16 GMT -5
If Reed was a jerk to his players, how many transfers did he have over the years? Many players will transfer if they feel the coach is not exhibiting appropriate behavior.
How many players left AFTER he left, how many stayed for the next season? If he was the problem, why would players leave AFTER he is gone. How many recruits de-committed from Cincinnati AFTER he was out?
And please do not use "Are the players hustling and giving effort?" as the reason to keep or remove a coach. Players will do that, they want to win and compete, usually. They won't give half effort for a ball because they do not like their coach. If they do, you don't want them in your program. Remember, they are competing to be on scholarship the following year, and maybe for a new coach. If the current coach were to have a meeting with the AD or SWA and could show film of players giving half effort or not hustling, the coach would have a reason to say "Hey, look at this kid and her poor effort. How am I supposed to win with that?" And if a new coach is hired next season, maybe they see that kid and think "I don't want to give her a scholarship. Look at that poor effort."
Have you seen practices? Maybe they are not doing the best things. Maybe the strategy and game plans they use are not effective. Maybe the X's and O's are not the right fit for them. Maybe the training techniques are not sound. That may have more of an impact on wins and losses. Those would be on the coaching staff.
I have no idea, I have not seen them play. I think all of that has to be evaluated to know what is the cause of this season's record. Of course, it is a combination of many factors. It needs to be decided how many are on the coach, and how many fall on the players and administration.
I do think Molly deserves more time. I also think Cincinnati should not lose to Morehead State, Northern Kentucky, Duquesne, and Temple. They have 2 matches against Connecticut and 2 against Rutgers coming up, so maybe they can win a few of those.
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Post by 5100 on Oct 24, 2013 8:18:55 GMT -5
And poster's like you will give him all of the credit and not give him any of the blame. Did I not say that there were multiple good years( I believe I said 10) while he was the coach. When something brakes it is usually good before it brakes. It certainly appears not to be broken during those 12 seasons. How does such a succesful program go off the road? With such an accomplished record why did he leave? Looks like something broke for him to run out the door. Usually very succesful coaches don't just up and leave. But when they do and there is a sudden drop off, there is more to the story. There is absolutely more to the story but noone is talking. Maybe SI could do some investigating and brake a big story. Oops, sorry it is volleyball and not football; no story there. You have done SIMPLE research and yet you pose that the current situation is 100% (!) Sunahara's fault. Ridiculous, absurd, utter BS.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Oct 24, 2013 8:35:49 GMT -5
I have been reading this post for a while, and it is fascinating to me all the different opinions, and pointing fingers. It is easy to say that this is one of the biggest free-falls ever. To go from where they were two seasons ago to where they are now (2-3 wins is best case scenario here). I have NEVER seen anything like it. With that being said, I have a few thoughts:
1. UC is no longer playing in a "good" conference. Look at any ranking system, and you will see that it is an average to below average vball conference. Going 0-21 in this new conference isn't like going 0-21 in the BIG 5 conferences....or even in the old Big East.
2. Clearly there aren't any "impact" players on this current roster...or they wouldn't be 0-21.
3. So they are playing a lot of freshman this season (which was stated on this thread). And they are bringing in good players next two recruiting classes?? Sooo that means they will be playing a lot of freshman for the next 3 seasons. What I am trying to say is that if the "impact" players aren't coming in until 2015 then UC fans have two more seasons of this ahead of them.
4. The blame falls on coaches in this situation. This is why they are coaches. Teach leadership, teach competition, teach skills, put them in the position to win, and be THE LEADER. I had a long time friend say, "It's never my players fault we lose. It is all on my shoulders to show my players how to compete, and win. If I provide proper leadership then we will get better, and win."
5. There are teams on their schedule they "should have beaten." It's not like they are playing Illinois' schedule (come on that schedule is BRUTAL).
I am curious to see what the administration will do. I think they will give her one more season. However, I doubt it will do any good. I feel that UC will be looking next year....and that is sad for a once respected program.
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Post by vballgirl88 on Oct 24, 2013 11:21:49 GMT -5
WOW! I have never had any of my threads be so popular before. It has been interesting reading all of the dialogue! I pray for nothing but the best for this once respected program! I just hate to see this kind of decline in any program. I also still find it very odd that a state school has no players from Ohio even on the roster! Cincinnati has a lot of juniors level talent. That is just interesting to me.
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Post by gmuvolleyballfan on Oct 24, 2013 13:02:13 GMT -5
I also still find it very odd that a state school has no players from Ohio even on the roster! This believe it or not is actually one of the indirect signs that could infuriate the upper administration and AD if the coaching staff is ignoring recruiting the state where the university is located.
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