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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 13, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -5
Girlfriend, I cannot say that this video was particularly enlightening, but thanks anyway. I didn't create or produce it - I just shared it for those who might enjoy it. Girlfriend, sorry for my post. I sound pretty harsh and arrogant (what is the saying, "if the shoe fits, wear it!"). I really meant my comment to be about the content of the video, not criticize your posting of it.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 14, 2014 5:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 17, 2014 6:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 9:12:18 GMT -5
Big mistake in my opinion. Illinois lacks ball control to do this for an entire set. Has to be so e modifications.
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Post by vbfanantic on Aug 17, 2014 9:33:57 GMT -5
It did seem like one of their biggest issues last year was ball control. And, I agree, ball control is key to a 6-2. Vilunas does not strike me as a 6-2 setter - her strength is height and blocking, not quickness. 6-2 setters are usually super quick. It will be interesting to see if this works. Or, maybe, they won't use Vilunas. I would not have been surprised to see a 5-2. However, Kevin knows what he is doing and I am assuming they improved their passing quite a bit or they won't have found a 6-2 works well this past spring.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 17, 2014 11:48:59 GMT -5
FULL DISCLOSURE (as relates to another thread): I am NOT a volleyball professional, just a fan with an opinion I am always willing to share. Having watched Illinois this spring (and all last season), I fully endorse the use of the 6-2. From my perspective the two best setters are undersized, but quick to the ball and delivered very hittable sets all spring (where the Illini looked quite good). RS Stark looks like a much improved player hitting off of the sets of the smaller setters. I would not be excited about the upcoming season, if Hambly had been content with last season's play. I feel changes had to be made to give his team a chance to advance beyond the first two rounds of the tourney this year. This season should be dedicated to the three seniors: McMahon, Dorn, and Criswell who have all been instrumental in what success Illinois has had during their tenure, including the national runner-up finish in 2011!
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 18, 2014 5:47:13 GMT -5
Looking at these statistics from the 2013 B1G season is a big reason why a change is needed:
Big Ten Volleyball Statistics
Hitting % Sets Kills E TA
1. Penn State 127 1814 523 4231 .305 2. Minnesota 128 1751 489 4385 .288 3. Nebraska 119 1710 593 4132 .270 4. Michigan State 126 1743 680 4345 .245 5. Purdue 131 1756 707 4356 .241 6. Michigan 126 1695 648 4419 .237 7. Wisconsin 146 2046 772 5458 .233 8. Northwestern 124 1594 640 4415 .216 9. Illinois 124 1551 638 4346 .210 10. Ohio State 119 1583 724 4242 .202 11. Indiana 113 1440 738 3670 .191 12. Iowa 121 1389 672 4253 .169
Assists Sets No. Avg/Set
1. Nebraska 119 1597 13.42 2. Penn State 127 1669 13.14 3. Wisconsin 146 1913 13.10 4. Michigan State 126 1630 12.94 5. Minnesota 128 1652 12.91 6. Michigan 126 1591 12.63 7. Ohio State 119 1490 12.52 8. Purdue 131 1636 12.49 9. Northwestern 124 1497 12.07 10. Indiana 113 1330 11.77 11. Illinois 124 1459 11.77 12. Iowa 121 1304 10.78
KILLS Sets No. Avg/Set
1. Nebraska 119 1710 14.37 2. Penn State 127 1814 14.28 3. Wisconsin 146 2046 14.01 4. Michigan State 126 1743 13.83 5. Minnesota 128 1751 13.68 6. Michigan 126 1695 13.45 7. Purdue 131 1756 13.40 8. Ohio State 119 1583 13.30 9. Northwestern 124 1594 12.85 10. Indiana 113 1440 12.74 11. Illinois 124 1551 12.51 12. Iowa 121 1389 11.48
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Post by treesandwaves on Aug 18, 2014 6:59:05 GMT -5
Looking at these statistics from the 2013 B1G season is a big reason why a change is needed: Big Ten Volleyball Statistics Sets Kills Errors TA % 1. Penn State 127 1814 523 4231 .305 2. Minnesota 128 1751 489 4385 .288 3. Nebraska 119 1710 593 4132 .270 4. Michigan State 126 1743 680 4345 .245 5. Purdue 131 1756 707 4356 .241 6. Michigan 126 1695 648 4419 .237 7. Wisconsin 146 2046 772 5458 .233 8. Northwestern 124 1594 640 4415 .216 9. Illinois 124 1551 638 4346 .210 10. Ohio State 119 1583 724 4242 .202 11. Indiana 113 1440 738 3670 .191 12. Iowa 121 1389 672 4253 .169 just fixed the order of the stats for you
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Aug 18, 2014 10:25:04 GMT -5
Those stats do no surprise me in the slightest. Volleyball is funny because without being able to look at every stat category, they don't mean very much. Hambly's offensive strategy (or IMO lack thereof) isn't going to lead to a very high hitting %. The strategy of "let's let the other team make mistakes and have the majority of sets go very high (probably the highest in the NCAA last year) and to the outsides" doesn't generate tons of kills. Illinois isn't trying to terminate that many attacks, they're trying to keep the ball in play by having OHs hit the ball in. This works really well when you have two of the best outsides in the country (Ward and Bartsch) but not so well when you don't. The entire offensive scheme is based on having the most athletic outsides on the floor, and Illinois simply doesn't have that anymore.
I would love to see some changes, which after reading some of those articles seems imminent. I also think blaming the setters for being put into a system where they aren't going to produce as high of numbers is pretty unfair.
Additionally, whoever made the comment about ball control not being there is 100% correct. Couldn't agree more. The style of passing seems counter intuitive to me and also seems like it's creating more errors than anything else. That has been a huge problem the last two seasons.
Finally, I hope Allie Stark gets to actually play this year because I think she is the second best offensive option on the court and wouldn't be surprised to see a very good season from her.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 18, 2014 11:11:43 GMT -5
Those stats do no surprise me in the slightest. Volleyball is funny because without being able to look at every stat category, they don't mean very much. Hambly's offensive strategy (or IMO lack thereof) isn't going to lead to a very high hitting %. The strategy of "let's let the other team make mistakes and have the majority of sets go very high (probably the highest in the NCAA last year) and to the outsides" doesn't generate tons of kills. Illinois isn't trying to terminate that many attacks, they're trying to keep the ball in play by having OHs hit the ball in. This works really well when you have two of the best outsides in the country (Ward and Bartsch) but not so well when you don't. The entire offensive scheme is based on having the most athletic outsides on the floor, and Illinois simply doesn't have that anymore. I would love to see some changes, which after reading some of those articles seems imminent. I also think blaming the setters for being put into a system where they aren't going to produce as high of numbers is pretty unfair. Additionally, whoever made the comment about ball control not being there is 100% correct. Couldn't agree more. The style of passing seems counter intuitive to me and also seems like it's creating more errors than anything else. That has been a huge problem the last two seasons. Finally, I hope Allie Stark gets to actually play this year because I think she is the second best offensive option on the court and wouldn't be surprised to see a very good season from her. Couple of questions for you: Has Hambly actually stated that his philosophy is: "let's let the other team make mistakes and have the majority of sets go very high (probably the highest in the NCAA last year) and to the outsides"; ? since you have it in quotes, where did he say this ? Second: What do you mean by "style of passing" ? in that it "creates more errors than anything else"; what does this mean ? Thanks
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 18, 2014 11:16:56 GMT -5
Looking at these statistics from the 2013 B1G season is a big reason why a change is needed: Big Ten Volleyball Statistics Hitting % Sets Kills E TA 1. Penn State 127 1814 523 4231 .305 2. Minnesota 128 1751 489 4385 .288 3. Nebraska 119 1710 593 4132 .270 4. Michigan State 126 1743 680 4345 .245 5. Purdue 131 1756 707 4356 .241 6. Michigan 126 1695 648 4419 .237 7. Wisconsin 146 2046 772 5458 .233 8. Northwestern 124 1594 640 4415 .216 9. Illinois 124 1551 638 4346 .210 10. Ohio State 119 1583 724 4242 .202 11. Indiana 113 1440 738 3670 .191 12. Iowa 121 1389 672 4253 .169 This is skewed because Illinois' OOC schedule was so much harder than everyone else's. If you look at in-conference numbers, Illinois wasn't at the top, but they only hit 3 measly points worse than Wisconsin, and were within 10 or so points of 5th place (above average in a really tough conference). Obviously they weren't killing the ball like PSU, but given their passing woes and frequent lineup changes, not horrid.
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Post by Pasquale on Aug 18, 2014 11:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Aug 18, 2014 14:15:11 GMT -5
Those stats do no surprise me in the slightest. Volleyball is funny because without being able to look at every stat category, they don't mean very much. Hambly's offensive strategy (or IMO lack thereof) isn't going to lead to a very high hitting %. The strategy of "let's let the other team make mistakes and have the majority of sets go very high (probably the highest in the NCAA last year) and to the outsides" doesn't generate tons of kills. Illinois isn't trying to terminate that many attacks, they're trying to keep the ball in play by having OHs hit the ball in. This works really well when you have two of the best outsides in the country (Ward and Bartsch) but not so well when you don't. The entire offensive scheme is based on having the most athletic outsides on the floor, and Illinois simply doesn't have that anymore. I would love to see some changes, which after reading some of those articles seems imminent. I also think blaming the setters for being put into a system where they aren't going to produce as high of numbers is pretty unfair. Additionally, whoever made the comment about ball control not being there is 100% correct. Couldn't agree more. The style of passing seems counter intuitive to me and also seems like it's creating more errors than anything else. That has been a huge problem the last two seasons. Finally, I hope Allie Stark gets to actually play this year because I think she is the second best offensive option on the court and wouldn't be surprised to see a very good season from her. Couple of questions for you: Has Hambly actually stated that his philosophy is: "let's let the other team make mistakes and have the majority of sets go very high (probably the highest in the NCAA last year) and to the outsides"; ? since you have it in quotes, where did he say this ? Second: What do you mean by "style of passing" ? in that it "creates more errors than anything else"; what does this mean ? Thanks Sorry, the use of quotes was to distinguish it from the rest of the sentence. I have not heard him specifically say any of those exact words, haha. He's a clearly a defensive minded head coach and his teams' styles embody that philosophy. You will rarely see his outsides running shoots or setters/middles trying to force anything quick off the net because those are higher risk/reward. From everything I can see the philosophy is to minimize mistakes on offense and play great defense to wear teams down. This, in my opinion, is workable when you have very athletic/powerful pin hitters (a la 2011), but harder to do when you don't have that personnel. And for style of passing, I'm talking about the amount of movement you see when players contact the ball. Instead of simply getting their body positioned correctly and freezing their platform, every single time Illini players pass the ball they are absorbing and then directing the ball. So instead of only absorbing/relaxing with hard driven balls, Illini players have that kind of movement every single time they contact the ball. I think its supposed to promote a different ball flight (anywhere a player contacts the ball it would be higher and loopier and its supposed to try to eliminate passes being shot at the net). But from what I can see it also is a different style than most people are taught and the extra movement seems to add additional room for error. It's pretty tough to find highlight videos that show serve receive, but if you know of any full matches online, take a look and you should see it. It's pretty different from most other passing I've seen taught. I would say especially look at Beltran and some of the newer players instead of going back to Ward or Bartsch because they are not as pronounced.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:00:54 GMT -5
Good luck this season girls,so proud of all of you !! Keep smiling and believe in yourselves ~ hard work always pays off!!!
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 21, 2014 4:20:41 GMT -5
Good luck this season girls,so proud of all of you !! Keep smiling and believe in yourselves ~ hard work always pays off!!! Well-put MB! Networkers President Tom Rozanski sent out an email yesterday afternoon which included this bit of information: Answer Book Testimonial to Illinois Volleyball, “best bargain in town” Sunday’s News-Gazette included the yearly “Answer Book”, a snapshot of life in East Central Illinois. This year’s theme, testimonials and selfies from people about what it’s like to live in and around Champaign-Urbana. Rick Snyder Pastor, Champaign’s First Presbyterian Church “I highly recommend women’s volleyball games at Huff Hall: A national finalist in 2012 (he means 2011). A perennial top-10 team. Amazing athletes. Great coaching. Three recent All-Americans. Long and riveting rallies. Floor-hugging digs and bone-crushing — well, almost — spikes. Up-close action. Playing in the best volleyball conference in the country. And more top recruits coming in. “All for $5. It’s the best bargain in town.” Photo caption: “A fun atmosphere and a successful team make the Illinois volleyball team a must-see.”
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