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Post by vbman100 on Mar 20, 2014 8:45:31 GMT -5
Interesting how many one-post posters are on this thread (including the OP), somehow they chose this topic to write their one and only entry. Well, Mississippi State does not get a lot of publicity on this message board. It would stand to reason that a thread about a lesser known program, off the radar for most people on here, would get some 'long time lurker, first time poster' responses. Especially when the thread is titled 'MSU'. That gets people's attention.
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Post by ryno42 on Mar 20, 2014 9:55:21 GMT -5
Why the obsession about post counts on this board? Like I said I have a young daughter that plays club, so I don't have much past vball experience to chime in on most threads. I prefer to read and learn. I do have a couple decades of experience with MSU athletics though.
I don't have any beef with the coach, I hope she does well. But with so many transfers it will be tough.
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Post by Garand on Mar 20, 2014 10:42:21 GMT -5
Post counts aren't an obsession with Volleytalk types; they're just something that gets noticed when someone strongly criticizes a program, coach or player. This sort of thing is sometimes done by an existing Volleytalk member with an axe to grind who creates a new, alternate board identity so that they can stir up trouble without tarnishing their normal, established board identity.
I don't think that's the case here. There appear to be some unfortunate goings-on in Starkville. It's just always going to look suspicious when first time posters attack.
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Post by donneyp on Mar 20, 2014 11:32:49 GMT -5
Do your homework. Its simple research. And I've made my intentions clear, I care about MSU because its my alma mater. I love the school and think they can do better then they are currently doing. I've watched a lot of matches at MSU and witnessed the investments the school has made in sports facilities. I have nothing personal against the staff, I just think they are what is holding back the program at this point. The 2012 starting setter, who was already 6th in career assists at MSU as a sophomore, walked off mid season and the coach herself was quoted in the press saying that the player said she now hated volleyball and that the coach was the reason why. All players listed below are those with remaining eligibility. To be fair, I know a couple were nagging injury related and a few were the one and done freshmen. But several were poised to be some of the best players MSU had ever had including the first two HM All Americans in program history. From 2013 team 4 that left so far are Sassin, McVey, Gardiner and T. Scott. From 2012 team, 7 that left, A. Scott, Gordon, Williams, Wyman, Temperilli, Nielsen plus Perret mid year. From 2011 team, 6 that left, Mellencamp, Stienwedell, K. Parker, Witte, Byers, H. Parker. Just for the record, two of the girls on the 2011 team completed 4 years at MSU, and one used her 5th year to follow Brandon Higa to play and be the GA to get her masters. The other 4 were recruited by a brand new staff after February 1 and were likely transition kids more than prized recruits. One of the 2012's has spent 3 years at 3 different schools. And coaches who've played against McVey say she could be the best libero in the country this year, so moving to a nationally ranked school with better exposure and a coached tied to USA Volleyball, if nothing else, is a smart career move. I realize that still leaves some names, but I just don't think the volume of names should be a damning fact without considering that there were other factors at play here.
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Post by ryno42 on Mar 20, 2014 12:59:33 GMT -5
Thanks, I admittedly paid little attention before 2012. And for the record I think a player bailing mid season is a sorry move, and I put little stock into what that type of player has to say about a coach.
Hopefully there is no ill will with the others. If they are leaving to improve their NT chances, can't say I blame them. I hope the next batch of recruits do well and stick around.
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Post by mclvbdad on Mar 20, 2014 14:09:03 GMT -5
For the record, the player that left midseason, never made any public remarks about the program or staff that I am aware of. All the quotes credited to the player were provided by the coach to the press.
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Post by tsh on Mar 20, 2014 14:49:14 GMT -5
Interesting how many one-post posters are on this thread (including the OP), somehow they chose this topic to write their one and only entry. Well, Mississippi State does not get a lot of publicity on this message board. It would stand to reason that a thread about a lesser known program, off the radar for most people on here, would get some 'long time lurker, first time poster' responses. Especially when the thread is titled 'MSU'. That gets people's attention. Not sure which is worse... being a "lurker" - which sounds kind of creepy; or being on the dread "first time poster" list (akin to VT Most Wanted!) As a reformed first time poster (FTP), I have vowed to double my posts in a single day and get off the FTP list forever. To be clear, my dreaded "first post" was not to attack but actually to defend the school against another poster's accusation that the school was publishing false bio information. A reading of the actual words the bio used and the full content of the bio contradicted this notion unequivocally. I suspect that most players who have left are not interested in axe grinding, still have friends on the team and would not want to drag them or the program through the mud. The are many outstanding individuals involved with MSU athletics and academics and the school is a beautiful campus. Starkville is not unlike scores of other small university town scattered all across the country with much better weather than most! Winning is not easy. Turning around a losing program in a volleyball sparse part of the country in a major conference is no easy task. Here's to wishing those individuals on the team and associated with the program the dignity and respect that they deserve in pursuing their dreams and working to turn the program around.
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Post by sluggermatt15 on Mar 21, 2014 17:42:10 GMT -5
I have been through a losing season at a D1 school. 3-25 or something like that. There were a lot of other issues that went on off the court. Not so much intra-team issues, they got along ok. More along the lines of individuals making poor decisions and mental issues. I think that may be part of the reason it was difficult to perform well at times. I don't think we would have won 10-15 matches or something, maybe 4 or 5, but I think it was indicative of the type of people we had and performing well in tight situations was not a strong trait for them. Some of the players had also experienced losing during the previous years, similar records. I think it did affect their self-efficacy when it came down to close games. We had a match early in conference where we could have gone up 2-0 on a team. We were up 1-0, had set point late, but a ball handling error by us and then a good play by the other team, and we were even 1-1 and lost in 4. The next night, we're up 1-0 again, big lead in set 2, and lose that set, go on to lose the match in 4. Could have been a possible 2-0 in conference if we win the first night, and the second. Instead 0-2 and not much went right from there. It was obvious we did not have the talent that the top half of the conference had. But I think we could have won 3 or 4 conference matches that year if we start 2-0. Instead we won 0. I thought it was weird that with that record, with a few starters hitting nearly .000, and one rarely used player after 2 years hitting negative, the coaching staff and players had almost no desire to change. Anything. Techniques, strategies, etc. It seemed like everyone thought it was everyone else's fault that we were the team we were. There has since been a coaching change. The team's overall performance has not improved much. Maybe up about 25-30 spots in RPI. Still in the 200s. Not sure if a change in Starkville leads to better results. But if a player leaves citing mental abuse by the coach, and a number of others end up leaving, red flags start to go up. At some places. This is a great post. Very well explains coaching a team that does not have a lot of talent. I don't know much about MSU, but how seriously do they take volleyball? What are their facilities like? Can they not attract above average coaches who can recruit?
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Post by mclvbdad on Apr 2, 2014 8:43:35 GMT -5
Mississippi State's fifth transfer from last season's team is now out. Horner, starting setter from last year, has transferred to Iowa State.
That makes 5 transfers so far. 4 of them were starters. 3 of whom played in every set last season, one other in 99 out of 112 sets.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming… Take another sip of the kool-aid, its just business as usual at Mississippi State.
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 2, 2014 8:57:19 GMT -5
You had Sassin in your list of 4 transfers earlier.
If one can play at Iowa State, a top 10 team, and one may be the best libero in the country eventually, should they have had a better record?
Why go to Mississippi State in the first place if they are that good? Trying to be the saviors to turn the program around?
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Post by mclvbdad on Apr 2, 2014 9:27:07 GMT -5
You had Sassin in your list of 4 transfers earlier. If one can play at Iowa State, a top 10 team, and one may be the best libero in the country eventually, should they have had a better record? Why go to Mississippi State in the first place if they are that good? Trying to be the saviors to turn the program around? Correct. Blonde, or rather gray, moment there. Horner is the new transfer. But you pose a good question that frustrates me as an interested alumni. They seem to be pulling in some decent talent but can't win and can't keep them in the fold.
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Post by Garand on Apr 2, 2014 10:42:31 GMT -5
Are all these girls being given releases from the coach?
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 2, 2014 11:46:48 GMT -5
Is that 2 setters lost in 2 seasons? Perret in 2012, Horner from 2013.
And 3 primary receivers - Gardiner, McVey, Scott.
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Post by mclvbdad on Apr 2, 2014 12:56:47 GMT -5
Are all these girls being given releases from the coach? 4 of the 5 this year have been announced by their destination school and appear to have their releases.
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Post by tncoach on Apr 2, 2014 13:28:46 GMT -5
Are all these girls being given releases from the coach? 4 of the 5 this year have been announced by their destination school and appear to have their releases. Any word on where Scott is heading?
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