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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 3:57:38 GMT -5
From watching volleyball. The top teams always lose in spring season matches and if you wanna deny that fine by me, but you know it true. Your posts always seem like satire.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2014 4:02:26 GMT -5
From watching volleyball. The top teams always lose in spring season matches and if you wanna deny that fine by me, but you know it true. Your posts always seem like satire. Says the one who claimed Carlini would be first team AA, said that emily hartong would be 2nd team. Said micha would lose her starting spot to a freshman. If anyone's post seem like satire it's yours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 4:10:57 GMT -5
Your posts always seem like satire. Says the one who claimed Carlini would be first team AA, said that emily hartong would be 2nd team. Said micha would lose her starting spot to a freshman. If anyone's post seem like satire it's yours. Lol good one. The 2013 All-America teams were a joke, and Micha's role for the fall has yet to be determined. Great argument.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2014 4:26:35 GMT -5
Says the one who claimed Carlini would be first team AA, said that emily hartong would be 2nd team. Said micha would lose her starting spot to a freshman. If anyone's post seem like satire it's yours. Lol good one. The 2013 All-America teams were a joke, and Micha's role for the fall has yet to be determined. Great argument. A lot of them were a joke, but Carlini not being first team and hartong being first team weren't jokes. They were correct. You had every single penn state player that made AA on first team BESIDES the one that actually made first team (Ariel scott). I may be wrong at times, but I admit when I'm wrong. You sit on your high horse and just dodge around the subject when you're wrong
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 4:36:15 GMT -5
Lol good one. The 2013 All-America teams were a joke, and Micha's role for the fall has yet to be determined. Great argument. A lot of them were a joke, but Carlini not being first team and hartong being first team weren't jokes. They were correct. You had every single penn state player that made AA on first team BESIDES the one that actually made first team (Ariel scott). I may be wrong at times, but I admit when I'm wrong. You sit on your high horse and just dodge around the subject when you're wrong Wrong? Nothing's happened. BYU hasn't played a single match in the 2014 season yet. How could I possibly be wrong?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2014 4:38:31 GMT -5
A lot of them were a joke, but Carlini not being first team and hartong being first team weren't jokes. They were correct. You had every single penn state player that made AA on first team BESIDES the one that actually made first team (Ariel scott). I may be wrong at times, but I admit when I'm wrong. You sit on your high horse and just dodge around the subject when you're wrong Wrong? Nothing's happened. BYU hasn't played a single match in the 2014 season yet. How could I possibly be wrong? How can you be right? For you to claim that they won't be a top team is just as much of an opinion than me saying they will be. But the difference I'm judging them by their talent, you are judging them because they haven't made an elite 8 since 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 4:54:13 GMT -5
Wrong? Nothing's happened. BYU hasn't played a single match in the 2014 season yet. How could I possibly be wrong? How can you be right? For you to claim that they won't be a top team is just as much of an opinion than me saying they will be. But the difference I'm judging them by their talent, you are judging them because they haven't made an elite 8 since 2007. Oh my god. I can't anymore. Arguing with uneducated 18 year olds is always a colossal waste of time.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 11, 2014 5:29:27 GMT -5
How can you be right? For you to claim that they won't be a top team is just as much of an opinion than me saying they will be. But the difference I'm judging them by their talent, you are judging them because they haven't made an elite 8 since 2007. Oh my god. I can't anymore. Arguing with uneducated 18 year olds is always a colossal waste of time. I feel the exact same way. You had nothing to back up your moronic claims about micha and you have nothing to back up your moronic claims about byu.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 5:40:52 GMT -5
Except they aren't claims.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 11, 2014 5:57:53 GMT -5
When's the last time Wisconsin had made the Elite 8 before this year. Oregon had NEVER made the Elite Eight and was a Top 5 team all year long in 2012. The tradition of winning consistently and managing expectations isn't nearly as important as talent. It's just that because of recruiting biases, those usually coincide. And what happened to Oregon the next season? Mess. Michigan? Mess. Wisconsin's future remains to be seen. Talent can only get you so far. If you've never been to the top and understand how difficult it is to get there, and, most importantly, STAY there, AND if you don't have a staff that understands that too, your talent doesn't matter at all. Mental trumps physical every day of the week. Expectations are a crazy thing. Non-sequiturs again from you. Oregon's next season was a "mess" as you call it because the talent level dropped from 2012 to 13 (going from 6 players who could go at that level to 3), not because of expectations. I didn't list Michigan because honestly, their talent wasn't at that level and they were a strong finisher rather than a team that was Top 5 for a full year. But once again, none of your retorts have anything to do with why BYU won't be able to be a Top 5 team next year. Will they not be able to keep it up in 2015 because they lose some good players and can't "manage expectations." Probably, but that has nothing to do with what they'll be in 2014. They have the horses to compete with anybody. And it's not like they're coming from nowhere. (Your Elite 8 cutoff is pretty arbitrary as well. What's special about that as opposed to the Sweet 16? Oh, because BYU's made it there each of the last two years. Stop cherry-picking).
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Post by future on Apr 11, 2014 7:44:33 GMT -5
I know we have often seen the argument that teams that practice or have such a unique difference in their Home/Away environment can have an advantage but also as clear disadvantage. I wonder if this can be said for a team like BYU.
I know that championships are won and forged on the road. Is it safe to say, that BYU's environment is significantly different on the road and it would take a tremendous effort for them to rise to the top and more importantly remain there to compete for National Championship?
I do not know enough to say if they are a legit NC contender but clearly they have a good team. A top 10 would be a safe bet but I wonder if that "road" differential will come into play.
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Post by baywatcher on Apr 11, 2014 8:46:18 GMT -5
I don't think the WCC will be that strong next year, particularly San Diego and St. Mary's, who both lose a lot; I suppose Pepperdine could prosper greatly under the new coach, but it could be clear for BYU to have the monster conference year they need to host the first two rounds and also get a decent seed. The win at Hawaii was impressive last year, (not just won, but spanked them in a very tough place to play) but they need to get seeded high enough to avoid the SC's of the world in the round of 16.
I think one difference between Wisconsin and Michigan is; if you were to give Div. 1 teams a choice of any NCAA player for just one year, next year, who would they choose? I know who I would take.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Apr 11, 2014 8:46:30 GMT -5
Says the one who claimed Carlini would be first team AA, said that emily hartong would be 2nd team. Said micha would lose her starting spot to a freshman. If anyone's post seem like satire it's yours. Lol good one. The 2013 All-America teams were a joke, and Micha's role for the fall has yet to be determined. Great argument. Micha's role for the fall has most certainly been determined, you really need to drop what is an insane argument. The assertion you are also making is that you are more qualified to select the AA team than a committee of professionals who have all the data and video of each player. With all due respect, you're kinda dancing on the line of arrogant and insane.
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 11, 2014 9:29:02 GMT -5
wisconsin #3?? hahahahahahahaha. i see people learned nothing from michigan's inflated ranking. Oh it's Friday. I am in a good mood so maybe I'll let this comment go... Heck no. Comparing MI to WI is idiocy and you've just made your future comments irrelevant to anyone who can evaluate the game independent of meaningless parallels. Carlini is not Lexi. This WI team is gritty, loses nothing and is and was much more consistent than MI. Although we may not make the final four again this year, this team is not MI 2013.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 11, 2014 9:37:27 GMT -5
Wisconsin has good team and great player in carlini, but I am not sold in ine deep run. They were ok dying conference play got hot at right time and for great opening draw. Oregon would be my comparison also. Made championship one year and for that was rated extremley high all season and did nothing. Wisconsin needs to prove they can do it multiple seasons before I buy that I was adamant last year that expectations for Wisconsin were too high because Sheffield's success at Albany and Dayton started in his second year. Last year there was a lot of luck in their run but also a ton of injuries. In the 2-3 press conferences I watched it seemed like they couldn't really practice, that there were things they couldn't work on because they didn't have a B side to play against and they needed to keep reps down on the players who were left, or risk losing them for matches. If Wisconsin does nothing but condition to prevent injuries, and get everybody back they will be better. If Carlini can get a full pre-season with her hitters, they should be better. This board has said repeatedly they only lose one player and we'll see what they do with Graf's scholarship but this team should be better. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean they will go as far but for ranking purposes I think they need to be shown respect. By comparison Oregon lost the national player of the year and you give a team the benefit of the doubt that they can find a way to make up for losing a Bergsma, until they prove that they haven't. Michigan had Erwin and either McElheny or Toon with super numbers through the stretch in '12 and injuries knocked them off track. Its far from certain that Wisconsin will be back to the final four but I'd say the same of a very young Penn State team.
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