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Post by ja on Apr 18, 2014 11:16:44 GMT -5
Thankfully, life is not about the money. Life in not *only* about the money. Loki was of course being facetious with his post; the rewards of parenthood can't be measured in dollars. That said, it is a pet peeve of mine when people imply money doesn't matter. Money does matter; it determines your quality of life and what opportunities you and your children will have. It isn't the MOST important thing in life, not as important as love, honor, integrity, honesty; but it is important. I will second you on this at any time! Money does play huge role in our lives! Actually the luck of money! Most folks on this board do not have to choose between paying for your girl volleyball and buying food! Unfortunately almost half of my club parents do have that kind of dilemma. Rising cost of club volleyball effectively cuts down base for grows. College cost rise spiraling out of control does not helps either. Most of girls, who will receive volleyball scholarship this year would be able to afford college tuition anyway. Another big part will get FAFSA money. SO CALLED MIDDLE CLASS will have to pay for their kids full price! I have this year my senior Libero, who had to choose the worst college because it was the cheapest choice her parents can afford! With all academic and partial athletic scholarship she is still short about 9 K per year. Tell her that money doesn't matter!
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Post by vbcoachsouth on Apr 18, 2014 11:17:41 GMT -5
Ja, When the Northwestern Football/Union story hit they said a scholarship to Northwestern was worth almost $75,000 a year which sounded high so I looked it up. undergradaid.northwestern.edu/eligibility-and-policies/financial-eligibility/cost-of-attendance.htmlThat's $65,554, and of course if you are a varsity athlete in many sports the scholarship includes tuition and room and board for the summers. Here's a link to Michigan's page which includes $56,300 a year out-of-state, and $13,800 more out-of-state for summer, so $70,100 at a public school. www.finaid.umich.edu/TopNav/AboutUMFinancialAid/CostofAttendance.aspxCloser to you, here is Fordham at $65,214 www.fordham.edu/images/finaid/fcrh_&_gsbrh_coa_1415.pdf, though I don't believe they pay for summers. Also, some athletes redshirt and several schools will extend athletes until graduation so yes, the 5th and 6th and I've even heard of the 7th year being paid for at a first class institution, and if the student redshirted that 5th year could very well be a masters degree. 5 years at $75,000 is $375,000 and that doesn't count the free clothes, a possible international trip, the best tutors, meals at the training table, and free personal training almost year round. At the other end of the spectrum there are little programs with 3.5 scholarships, and each player gets a free roll of tape to last them four years and pass or not their scholarship is over with the last whistle. Neither are "average" but there may certainly be parents on here to represent either end of the spectrum and I don't feel it is appropriate for you to ask the question and then call someone a lier for answering your question in a way that doesn't fit your agenda. Clubs run from about $350 a season to over $10,000 per season. It is lottery ticket bought with genetics and money. Everybody makes the decision that is right for them. It is what it is. First of all, thank you for the research you did! Second, I never call this person a liar! If you will read his respond then you will see that it was kind of a "joke". My agenda is very simple, to find a correlation between money spend for a player to go to play college ball and how much can you gain if you looking into club as an investment. Price rising in both club and college tuition unfortunately getting completely out of hands, so I would love to see if investment in sport can seriously offset the cost of tuition. BTW, speaking of 5 year scholarship. NCAA will cover 5 year (usually one semester) if student-athlete will keep high GPA and do not have enough credits to graduate. But technically speaking this is not a scholarship from your college or university. I never was asking about how much one athlete will cost institution. It does not matter if you are walk on or scholarship athlete, as long as you are on the travel roster you will receive the same food, stay at the same hotel and have the same uniform. where did you receive your education? just curious...
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Post by 11Six on Apr 18, 2014 12:13:17 GMT -5
Loki was of course being facetious with his post... "of course"? I wouldn't be so sure. Some people are dead serious about the supposed benefits of not having kids.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Apr 18, 2014 14:11:08 GMT -5
Because some club are expensive, I think we miss out on a lot of good athletes/girls&boys who miss out on the opportunity. I always encourage families to talk with the administrators for possible scholarships. Some coaches from high school and other families with the club can help with that process.
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Post by loki on Apr 19, 2014 23:30:19 GMT -5
Loki was of course being facetious with his post... "of course"? I wouldn't be so sure. Some people are dead serious about the supposed benefits of not having kids. Some people are serious about not having kids. I have kids. I paid for club volleyball fees, private school fees, braces, food, clothing and more. Up to this point, I am glad I and my wife made the choices we made. I'm glad I've go my kids. They are a source of deep pride, pleasure, joy, whatever you call it. I don't think having kids and doing right by them is easy. The benefits are intangible and the costs are very very tangible. That said, I think the better paths in life are often more difficult than the lesser paths. Nothing worth having comes easily. Is that pathological? Maybe.
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Post by 11Six on Apr 20, 2014 13:21:12 GMT -5
"of course"? I wouldn't be so sure. Some people are dead serious about the supposed benefits of not having kids. Some people are serious about not having kids. I have kids. I paid for club volleyball fees, private school fees, braces, food, clothing and more. Up to this point, I am glad I and my wife made the choices we made. I'm glad I've go my kids. They are a source of deep pride, pleasure, joy, whatever you call it. I don't think having kids and doing right by them is easy. The benefits are intangible and the costs are very very tangible. That said, I think the better paths in life are often more difficult than the lesser paths. Nothing worth having comes easily. Is that pathological? Maybe. I could not agree more with you, loki. Well, except for the last part. It is not pathological at all, imho.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 13:50:17 GMT -5
The club I coach for in the northeast is 3000 a year and is the most expensive out of the 5 or so top clubs in the area. The others range from 1500-2000. All these clubs include gym rental, coaches fees, club fees, tournament fees, and uniforms. They don't include travel, food, and hotel rooms. Also this doesn't include nationals. I was shocked at the amount nationals costs: 700 per player for the extra six weeks of court rental, club fees, coached fees, and tournament fees. 400 per flight, 400 for the parent flight, 500 for hotel, 200 for food and miscellaneous expenses = $2200 for nationals. Total for the year including travel and hotel I would estimate at around $8000. And out of this region there are almost no girls going division I and very few going division II
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Post by ja on Apr 20, 2014 15:35:44 GMT -5
The club I coach for in the northeast is 3000 a year and is the most expensive out of the 5 or so top clubs in the area. The others range from 1500-2000. All these clubs include gym rental, coaches fees, club fees, tournament fees, and uniforms. They don't include travel, food, and hotel rooms. Also this doesn't include nationals. I was shocked at the amount nationals costs: 700 per player for the extra six weeks of court rental, club fees, coached fees, and tournament fees. 400 per flight, 400 for the parent flight, 500 for hotel, 200 for food and miscellaneous expenses = $2200 for nationals. Total for the year including travel and hotel I would estimate at around $8000. And out of this region there are almost no girls going division I and very few going division II Thank you! This is exactly the information I was asking about! The best answer so far . Are you doing any qualifiers? If so, how much would it add to the budget?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:11:33 GMT -5
The club I coach for in the northeast is 3000 a year and is the most expensive out of the 5 or so top clubs in the area. The others range from 1500-2000. All these clubs include gym rental, coaches fees, club fees, tournament fees, and uniforms. They don't include travel, food, and hotel rooms. Also this doesn't include nationals. I was shocked at the amount nationals costs: 700 per player for the extra six weeks of court rental, club fees, coached fees, and tournament fees. 400 per flight, 400 for the parent flight, 500 for hotel, 200 for food and miscellaneous expenses = $2200 for nationals. Total for the year including travel and hotel I would estimate at around $8000. And out of this region there are almost no girls going division I and very few going division II Thank you! This is exactly the information I was asking about! The best answer so far . Are you doing any qualifiers? If so, how much would it add to the budget? The $3000 covers fees (not travel, hotel, or food) for 5 single day tournaments and 4 multi day tournaments. One of the 4 multi day tournaments is a qualifier (NEQ).
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Post by redbeard2008 on Apr 20, 2014 17:19:52 GMT -5
So, $5,000+/year (if including nationals). Just getting admitted at some schools is a value on top of the cost of attending, so availability of athletic scholarships is not the only factor.
Reason why this is primarily a white middle-class sport, with a shrinking middle-class...
The odd player does sneak through without doing the club thing - Kyra Holt (WSU), for instance.
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Post by ja on Apr 20, 2014 18:10:05 GMT -5
So, $5,000+/year (if including nationals). Just getting admitted at some schools is a value on top of the cost of attending, so availability of athletic scholarships is not the only factor. Reason why this is primarily a white middle-class sport, with a shrinking middle-class... The odd player does sneak through without doing the club thing - Kyra Holt (WSU), for instance. Are you talking about this Kyra: played on Payes Performance Volleyball Club for coach Jennifer Canevari Agresti?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 14:06:33 GMT -5
There are far less than 5000 scholarships available in any year. There are over 300 D1 teams, not all of them offer the full 12 scholarships. And most of those only have 2 or 3 available in any given year. same with D2, etc... So in d1 there are probably only 700 scholarships available per year, give or take.
And the person who was valuing their kids college at $350k is nonsense. The most expensive schools are $55k per year on average. And unless you are going to Harvard or Yale, you are overpaying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 14:14:25 GMT -5
There are far less than 5000 scholarships available in any year. There are over 300 D1 teams, not all of them offer the full 12 scholarships. And most of those only have 2 or 3 available in any given year. same with D2, etc... So in d1 there are probably only 700 scholarships available per year, give or take.
And the person who was valuing their kids college at $350k is nonsense. The most expensive schools are $55k per year on average. And unless you are going to Harvard or Yale, you are overpaying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 14:15:38 GMT -5
You have to have your head examined if you are dumb enough to pay $75k per year at Northwestern.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Apr 27, 2014 15:04:33 GMT -5
And the person who was valuing their kids college at $350k is nonsense. The most expensive schools are $55k per year on average. And unless you are going Harvard or Yale, you are overpaying. And many of the private "elite" academic schools have needs-based scholarships, which brings down the cost for those who academically qualify, but wouldn't otherwise have the means.
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