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Post by tinman2 on May 4, 2014 18:57:51 GMT -5
12U tourney, with paid AAU up ref. Ball lands out just past the ten foot line, opposite of the up ref. 11 year old line judge calls it in. Down ref calls it out. Up ref doesn't see it clearly from his vantage point. What should the call be?
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on May 4, 2014 19:01:40 GMT -5
If I was a parent I would yell at which every 11 year old made the call against my team until they changed their call
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Post by n00b on May 4, 2014 19:12:15 GMT -5
The R1 should use all available information to make the call that he/she thinks is most likely to be correct. There is no absolute right answer to this. It depends on the competency of the line judge and the R2 plus what he saw.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 19:45:47 GMT -5
The R1 should use all available information to make the call that he/she thinks is most likely to be correct. There is no absolute right answer to this. It depends on the competency of the line judge and the R2 plus what he saw. Noob--I disagree. The right call is for the coach of the team who got the call to go their way to have integrity and say "It was clearly out". With 12u, teaching of values is critical, more so than one point in a tournament. |
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Post by tinman2 on May 4, 2014 20:02:16 GMT -5
Sorry for lack of detail....R2 was a 12 year old. R1 told me after the match that he couldn't trust her because she wasn't an adult, so he went with the lineperson's call..
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Post by n00b on May 4, 2014 20:41:12 GMT -5
The R1 should use all available information to make the call that he/she thinks is most likely to be correct. There is no absolute right answer to this. It depends on the competency of the line judge and the R2 plus what he saw. Noob--I disagree. The right call is for the coach of the team who got the call to go their way to have integrity and say "It was clearly out". With 12u, teaching of values is critical, more so than one point in a tournament. While I don't disagree with your premise, nowhere did the poster say the ball was "clearly out" or that either coach saw the play. If the entire crew were certified refs, the R1 would most likely go with the R2s call because the R2 will only give help if he/she is CERTAIN of the call. Obviously, that wasn't quite the case here. |
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Post by nationalreferee on May 4, 2014 21:24:38 GMT -5
Inexperienced line judges tend to follow the ball when it lands (which means their focal point is the ball, not the line). It is often missed. The R1 could have clearly seen space between the ball & line, which means the ball is out. The common misconception is that the R1 shouldn't overrule a LJ on the far side of the court. If it's out, as seen by the R1,then it should be overruled. Anywhere on the court. The R1 should see the entire court.
As an R1,its actually the sideline ON YOUR SIDE that you don't have a good angle on. Your not quite on the line, you're slightly behind. When a ball lands 1/2" out, you may think it's in because you're behind the line and looking straight down. The arc of the ball that doesn't hit the line may be over it. Unless I'm very positive, I generally defer to my line judge for close sideline calls on MY side.
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Post by nationalreferee on May 4, 2014 21:28:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind the R2 is also standing behind the line, not on it. The R2 should not be giving in/out help on sideline calls help unless there is no call by the LJ, or if they think the LJ view is blocked, or if they are convinced the LJ is wrong.
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Post by moody on May 4, 2014 21:44:30 GMT -5
The right call is "who the hell cares" It's a 12's tournament.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 22:14:01 GMT -5
The R2 should be watching the net and the centerline. If the R1 didn't see it, he/she should go with the linesperson. If the linesperson looks unsure, call her over and ask her if she is sure.
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Post by volleyjeep on May 4, 2014 22:17:15 GMT -5
The right call is "who the hell cares" It's a 12's tournament. I'm sure the players cared as they want the correct call. They're playing to win the game, not just to be on the court. As for it being just a 12's tournament, that sounds like a big teaching moment in those players volleyball careers, and life in general. |
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Post by Not Me on May 4, 2014 23:03:00 GMT -5
If I was a parent I would yell at which every 11 year old made the call against my team until they changed their call And you have to add some cursing in there too when the call doesn't go their way. |
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Post by Not Me on May 4, 2014 23:04:26 GMT -5
12U tourney, with paid AAU up ref. Ball lands out just past the ten foot line, opposite of the up ref. 11 year old line judge calls it in. Down ref calls it out. Up ref doesn't see it clearly from his vantage point. What should the call be? Call the two over to ask "are you sure?" Of they both say yes, then it is a replay. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 23:30:03 GMT -5
Disagree. Go with the person whose responsibility it was to call the line. If she's sure.
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Post by moody on May 4, 2014 23:34:48 GMT -5
The right call is "who the hell cares" It's a 12's tournament. I'm sure the players cared as they want the correct call. They're playing to win the game, not just to be on the court. As for it being just a 12's tournament, that sounds like a big teaching moment in those players volleyball careers, and life in general. Ah yes a bad call in a 12's tournament can be quite pivotal moment in a young person's life. You really need to lighten up. |
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