|
Post by akbar on Jul 16, 2014 11:38:21 GMT -5
Did I just count 9 girls listed as a DS (or DS/L or DS/S) on the roster? Seems excessive. And what's even stranger is that most of the DS/Ls Russ has in his flock of 9 could very well start at a lot of high level D1s. Typically defensive players have tremendous drive and passion to play. Other than paying to practice and be on a national champion team, I really don't get it. I know it takes a team to win, and it's important to have high level players to practice against but 9 does seem so excessive. I've heard the saying many times in reference to club team questions and college questions, "play on the best team you can play on". But hey, more power to them. They are ok with not ever seeing the court, as they know it going in. In considering this year's roster, I can see 4 maybe 5 seeing significant to tactical playing time virtually every match. I'm sure there is a spoken or unspoken depth chart but clearly these girls are still hungry to compete or they would move on.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 12:56:46 GMT -5
And what's even stranger is that most of the DS/Ls Russ has in his flock of 9 could very well start at a lot of high level D1s. Typically defensive players have tremendous drive and passion to play. Other than paying to practice and be on a national champion team, I really don't get it. I know it takes a team to win, and it's important to have high level players to practice against but 9 does seem so excessive. I've heard the saying many times in reference to club team questions and college questions, "play on the best team you can play on". But hey, more power to them. They are ok with not ever seeing the court, as they know it going in. In considering this year's roster, I can see 4 maybe 5 seeing significant to tactical playing time virtually every match. I'm sure there is a spoken or unspoken depth chart but clearly these girls are still hungry to compete or they would move on. 4-5 every match? That's insane.
|
|
|
Post by akbar on Jul 16, 2014 14:09:41 GMT -5
In considering this year's roster, I can see 4 maybe 5 seeing significant to tactical playing time virtually every match. I'm sure there is a spoken or unspoken depth chart but clearly these girls are still hungry to compete or they would move on. 4-5 every match? That's insane. Match is 3 to 5 games. Key word was "tactical" 3 absolutely, 4 more than not, 5 in key situations.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:09:10 GMT -5
4-5 every match? That's insane. Match is 3 to 5 games. Key word was "tactical" 3 absolutely, 4 more than not, 5 in key situations. Absolutely not.
|
|
|
Post by queen bey on Jul 16, 2014 16:22:50 GMT -5
Match is 3 to 5 games. Key word was "tactical" 3 absolutely, 4 more than not, 5 in key situations. Absolutely not. No, Akbar is right. Just look at PSU's scores from last season. You obviously have Gonzalez and Fuller, and Pierce, Martin, Caraway, and co all make appearances. In the final game against Wisconsin Rose had 3 DS's or serving subs (including Gonzalez) in the semi against Washington he had 4 (Prieto I believe was a serving sub.)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:34:02 GMT -5
No, Akbar is right. Just look at PSU's scores from last season. You obviously have Gonzalez and Fuller, and Pierce, Martin, Caraway, and co all make appearances. In the final game against Wisconsin Rose had 3 DS's or serving subs (including Gonzalez) in the semi against Washington he had 4 (Prieto I believe was a serving sub.) EVERY match? There's no way. Martin and Prieto weren't/aren't DSs. He's not going to waste two subs just to get a server into the set once when he's potentially starting 3-5 freshman.
|
|
|
Post by queen bey on Jul 16, 2014 16:47:36 GMT -5
No, Akbar is right. Just look at PSU's scores from last season. You obviously have Gonzalez and Fuller, and Pierce, Martin, Caraway, and co all make appearances. In the final game against Wisconsin Rose had 3 DS's or serving subs (including Gonzalez) in the semi against Washington he had 4 (Prieto I believe was a serving sub.) EVERY match? There's no way. Martin and Prieto weren't/aren't DSs. He's not going to waste two subs just to get a server into the set once when he's potentially starting 3-5 freshman. All the matches I looked at (albeit briefly) would indicate it. I don't know about Martin, but it appears as if Prieto was a serving sub sometimes. Caraway, Fuller, and Pierce were definitely used a lot.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:49:53 GMT -5
EVERY match? There's no way. Martin and Prieto weren't/aren't DSs. He's not going to waste two subs just to get a server into the set once when he's potentially starting 3-5 freshman. All the matches I looked at (albeit briefly) would indicate it. I don't know about Martin, but it appears as if Prieto was a serving sub sometimes. Caraway, Fuller, and Pierce were definitely used a lot. Fuller wasn't a serving sub. Caraway served 24 times...
|
|
|
Post by courtside on Jul 16, 2014 16:55:29 GMT -5
I still can't understand a high caliber DS playing one rotation every other game and being satisfied. Maybe the glory of being on a championship team is more important to them than actually playing. Must be the case because these DSs rarely transfer. Exception would be Ali Longo.
|
|
|
Post by akbar on Jul 16, 2014 16:55:36 GMT -5
No, Akbar is right. Just look at PSU's scores from last season. You obviously have Gonzalez and Fuller, and Pierce, Martin, Caraway, and co all make appearances. In the final game against Wisconsin Rose had 3 DS's or serving subs (including Gonzalez) in the semi against Washington he had 4 (Prieto I believe was a serving sub.) EVERY match? There's no way. Martin and Prieto weren't/aren't DSs. He's not going to waste two subs just to get a server into the set once when he's potentially starting 3-5 freshman. That was when you had 3 pins that could handle playing all 6 rotations. ...2 seniors and an Courtney. They don't have that at all, so yes 4 almost granted
|
|
|
Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2014 17:02:46 GMT -5
EVERY match? There's no way. Martin and Prieto weren't/aren't DSs. He's not going to waste two subs just to get a server into the set once when he's potentially starting 3-5 freshman. That was when you had 3 pins that could handle playing all 6 rotations. ...2 seniors and an Courtney. They don't have that at all, so yes 4 almost granted Courtney will be playing all the way around, as Frantti is rumoured to be on track for. Even if she gets DS'ed, you're still only up to 3 (Gonzalez libero, Fuller/Dykstra for 3rd pin, the other for Frantti if needed-but isn't she more likely to get pulled for Prieto or Lee?). Grant is way too successful serving to have a DS serve for her, so I'm just not sure where you'll find 2 more?
|
|
|
Post by queen bey on Jul 16, 2014 17:11:05 GMT -5
All the matches I looked at (albeit briefly) would indicate it. I don't know about Martin, but it appears as if Prieto was a serving sub sometimes. Caraway, Fuller, and Pierce were definitely used a lot. Fuller wasn't a serving sub. Caraway served 24 times... I'm not a PSU follower, I'm not totally sure who exactly does what. All I'm saying is that Rose clearly makes a number of subs, even if it's a serving sub for one set, a match, and a lot of those subs are listed as DS's in the roster. That is all.
|
|
|
Post by akbar on Jul 16, 2014 17:14:56 GMT -5
That was when you had 3 pins that could handle playing all 6 rotations. ...2 seniors and an Courtney. They don't have that at all, so yes 4 almost granted Courtney will be playing all the way around, as Frantti is rumoured to be on track for. Even if she gets DS'ed, you're still only up to 3 (Gonzalez libero, Fuller/Dykstra for 3rd pin, the other for Frantti if needed-but isn't she more likely to get pulled for Prieto or Lee?). Grant is way too successful serving to have a DS serve for her, so I'm just not sure where you'll find 2 more? I love Frannti's upside and it seems she is in the mold of what was done with Deja and Megan but as with them in their underclassmen years she will need to sit and ponder from to time to time from the back row. Whitney and Prieto will not see the backcourt. Furthermore , unless Courtney and Frannti have developed some new serve in the off season I can see them being subbed for another server too from time to time. Again statistically over the course of a match it is my guess that you will see 3, 4 and 5 DS/serving subs coming in to add a dimension.
|
|
|
Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2014 17:28:12 GMT -5
Courtney will be playing all the way around, as Frantti is rumoured to be on track for. Even if she gets DS'ed, you're still only up to 3 (Gonzalez libero, Fuller/Dykstra for 3rd pin, the other for Frantti if needed-but isn't she more likely to get pulled for Prieto or Lee?). Grant is way too successful serving to have a DS serve for her, so I'm just not sure where you'll find 2 more? I love Frannti's upside and it seems she is in the mold of what was done with Deja and Megan but as with them in their underclassmen years she will need to sit and ponder from to time to time from the back row. Whitney and Prieto will not see the backcourt. Furthermore , unless Courtney and Frannti have developed some new serve in the off season I can see them being subbed for another server too from time to time. Again statistically over the course of a match it is my guess that you will see 3, 4 and 5 DS/serving subs coming in to add a dimension. Well, even if you DS Franti and the opp, and put a serving sub in for Courtney, that's only 4. So the 5th would have to be a serving sub for the DS/libero. That boggles my mind and just underlines to me how silly it was to move to 15 subs.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 17:38:15 GMT -5
Courtney will be playing all the way around, as Frantti is rumoured to be on track for. Even if she gets DS'ed, you're still only up to 3 (Gonzalez libero, Fuller/Dykstra for 3rd pin, the other for Frantti if needed-but isn't she more likely to get pulled for Prieto or Lee?). Grant is way too successful serving to have a DS serve for her, so I'm just not sure where you'll find 2 more? I love Frannti's upside and it seems she is in the mold of what was done with Deja and Megan but as with them in their underclassmen years she will need to sit and ponder from to time to time from the back row. Whitney and Prieto will not see the backcourt. Furthermore , unless Courtney and Frannti have developed some new serve in the off season I can see them being subbed for another server too from time to time. Again statistically over the course of a match it is my guess that you will see 3, 4 and 5 DS/serving subs coming in to add a dimension. You're changing your statement. First you said "every match," and now you're including serving subs with DSs, which aren't the same thing. Gonzalez and Fuller are sure bets to play DS, not just serve, and there isn't much room for others after that. Lainey, Kendall, and Dykstra will battle to serve for someone. I would be extremely surprised to not see Frantti play all the way around. Her backrow attack alone is worth it. And, Grant's rotation was scoring a ton of points by the end of last season. PSU started in ro. 6 instead of ro. 1 in the last third of their matches IIRC. I don't know if that was because of Deja, Hancock, and Slay in the front row, or because she became an outstanding server and a pretty decent defender. Probably a little of both.
|
|