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Post by bballnut90 on Aug 1, 2014 18:49:29 GMT -5
For starters Penn State won a title in 1999 after losing Stout, Anderson, and Cochran. In 2009 they went undefeated after losing Holehouse, Harmotto and Fawcett. In 2010 they won another title after losing Hodge, Glass and Dorton....so 3 of their 6 titles occurred after losing 3 starters. Penn State will be fine. But did they start 3 freshmen? In 2010 they did with Slay/Scott/McClendon. 3 freshman starters if you count D'Errico in 2007 (Ari Wilson, Blair Brown and Alyssa D'Errico), 1 in 2009 and 2 newcomers/transfers (Dorton/Quillico/Balza). And this year I'd look for 2 freshmen to start, I think Aiyana Whitney takes a spot on the RS or outside.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 1, 2014 19:09:06 GMT -5
i picked texas, stanford, usc and other ... maybe there's at least one part of the bracket that get blown wide open and a team no one expected (or even a less-than-expected team) advances to the final four. arguably, it's happened nearly every year in the last 5 years.
and there's no guarantee that one of texas, stanford, or usc ends up in the other's bracket.
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Post by C on Aug 1, 2014 19:25:42 GMT -5
But did they start 3 freshmen? In 2010 they did with Slay/Scott/McClendon. 3 freshman starters if you count D'Errico in 2007 (Ari Wilson, Blair Brown and Alyssa D'Errico), 1 in 2009 and 2 newcomers/transfers (Dorton/Quillico/Balza). And this year I'd look for 2 freshmen to start, I think Aiyana Whitney takes a spot on the RS or outside. Scott wasn't a starter as a freshman, and Alyssa wasn't a starter either or a permanent sub. But they did have quite a few freshmen on the court though.
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Post by hardbop on Aug 1, 2014 19:40:54 GMT -5
In 2010 they did with Slay/Scott/McClendon. 3 freshman starters if you count D'Errico in 2007 (Ari Wilson, Blair Brown and Alyssa D'Errico), 1 in 2009 and 2 newcomers/transfers (Dorton/Quillico/Balza). And this year I'd look for 2 freshmen to start, I think Aiyana Whitney takes a spot on the RS or outside. Scott wasn't a starter as a freshman, and Alyssa wasn't a starter either or a permanent sub. But they did have quite a few freshmen on the court though. Yes Scott was a starter. Her and McClendon were the two OH's by end of season. Those two and Slay lit up Texas in the semis and were instrumental in the victory over Cal in the finals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 23:06:51 GMT -5
In 2010 they did with Slay/Scott/McClendon. 3 freshman starters if you count D'Errico in 2007 (Ari Wilson, Blair Brown and Alyssa D'Errico), 1 in 2009 and 2 newcomers/transfers (Dorton/Quillico/Balza). And this year I'd look for 2 freshmen to start, I think Aiyana Whitney takes a spot on the RS or outside. Scott wasn't a starter as a freshman, and Alyssa wasn't a starter either or a permanent sub. But they did have quite a few freshmen on the court though. D'Errico absolutely was a planned sub for 2007 and started some matches. You think the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season? K. And Scott was a starter by midway through 2010 after Rose finally pulled the plug with Kabbes. Technically they started four freshman that year with Longo playing backrow for McClendon through the last month of the season (or so).
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Post by C on Aug 2, 2014 1:02:21 GMT -5
Scott wasn't a starter as a freshman, and Alyssa wasn't a starter either or a permanent sub. But they did have quite a few freshmen on the court though. D'Errico absolutely was a planned sub for 2007 and started some matches. You think the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season? K. And Scott was a starter by midway through 2010 after Rose finally pulled the plug with Kabbes. Technically they started four freshman that year with Longo playing backrow for McClendon through the last month of the season (or so). Fawcett played backrow in the championship match until she showed that she wasn't playing that well. So yes, the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season. Unfortunately, she couldn't handle the backrow against strong competition. Scott was a starter towards the end of the season.... I don't really count that as a "full-time starter" from beginning to end like Courtney was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 1:18:01 GMT -5
D'Errico absolutely was a planned sub for 2007 and started some matches. You think the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season? K. And Scott was a starter by midway through 2010 after Rose finally pulled the plug with Kabbes. Technically they started four freshman that year with Longo playing backrow for McClendon through the last month of the season (or so). Fawcett played backrow in the championship match until she showed that she wasn't playing that well. So yes, the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season. Unfortunately, she couldn't handle the backrow against strong competition. Scott was a starter towards the end of the season.... I don't really count that as a "full-time starter" from beginning to end like Courtney was. Scott started the last half of the season, including all six matches of the tournament. She wasn't a starter? What kind of definition is that? You aren't making any sense. And, what even are your first two sentences? ? She played backrow in the last match of the season, so the plan was for her to play backrow all season...? What does that even mean? You're just wrong about the 2007 match. She served in the first set (was immediately subbed out after her serving turn was over), made errors, didn't play any backrow in the second, played some in sets three and four, and none in set five. D'Errico was always a planned sub and playing Fawcett all six rotations all season was not the plan. That would've been stupid. D'Errico played in all 36 matches. I don't know what you think you're talking about.
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Post by MTC on Aug 2, 2014 1:58:40 GMT -5
If you have ten people witness a VB match (or a car accident) you will have 10 different versions of who was involved and what actually happened. That is just the way it is.
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Post by C on Aug 2, 2014 2:05:53 GMT -5
Fawcett played backrow in the championship match until she showed that she wasn't playing that well. So yes, the plan was for Fawcett to play all six rotations all season. Unfortunately, she couldn't handle the backrow against strong competition. Scott was a starter towards the end of the season.... I don't really count that as a "full-time starter" from beginning to end like Courtney was. Scott started the last half of the season, including all six matches of the tournament. She wasn't a starter? What kind of definition is that? You aren't making any sense. And, what even are your first two sentences? ? She played backrow in the last match of the season, so the plan was for her to play backrow all season...? What does that even mean? You're just wrong about the 2007 match. She served in the first set (was immediately subbed out after her serving turn was over), made errors, didn't play any backrow in the second, played some in sets three and four, and none in set five. D'Errico was always a planned sub and playing Fawcett all six rotations all season was not the plan. That would've been stupid. D'Errico played in all 36 matches. I don't know what you think you're talking about. She played all matches but not every single set or game of the season. The plan was for Fawcett to play all 6 rotations until she showed that she couldn't, then Alyssa would come in for her. She was a planned sub when Fawcett wasn't playing up to par, not as a permanent sub when Fawcett was playing either good or bad. It makes sense. I'm a little buzzed right now, you know what I mean, don't play dumb. Unless you're not playing dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 2:48:17 GMT -5
Scott started the last half of the season, including all six matches of the tournament. She wasn't a starter? What kind of definition is that? You aren't making any sense. And, what even are your first two sentences? ? She played backrow in the last match of the season, so the plan was for her to play backrow all season...? What does that even mean? You're just wrong about the 2007 match. She served in the first set (was immediately subbed out after her serving turn was over), made errors, didn't play any backrow in the second, played some in sets three and four, and none in set five. D'Errico was always a planned sub and playing Fawcett all six rotations all season was not the plan. That would've been stupid. D'Errico played in all 36 matches. I don't know what you think you're talking about. She played all matches but not every single set or game of the season. The plan was for Fawcett to play all 6 rotations until she showed that she couldn't, then Alyssa would come in for her. She was a planned sub when Fawcett wasn't playing up to par, not as a permanent sub when Fawcett was playing either good or bad. It makes sense. I'm a little buzzed right now, you know what I mean, don't play dumb. Unless you're not playing dumb. You're wrong. They did as much as they could to develop Fawcett's backrow skills to a serviceable level, and she did play backrow during the season, but the plan for D'Errico was always to play backrow for Fawcett as much as needed. The staff knew the year before that they wouldn't be able to count on six rotations from her. I don't know where you got that they thought otherwise, because all quotes about Fawcett, as well as what happened during matches, show that you're wrong. They had no reason to play her that much all season long. It would've been a terrible choice. They planned on D'Errico contributing as a freshman, despite what you said about PSU freshman in 2007. Fawcett did not become a full-time, no-subs six-rotation player until her senior year.
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Post by C on Aug 2, 2014 3:29:09 GMT -5
She played all matches but not every single set or game of the season. The plan was for Fawcett to play all 6 rotations until she showed that she couldn't, then Alyssa would come in for her. She was a planned sub when Fawcett wasn't playing up to par, not as a permanent sub when Fawcett was playing either good or bad. It makes sense. I'm a little buzzed right now, you know what I mean, don't play dumb. Unless you're not playing dumb. You're wrong. They did as much as they could to develop Fawcett's backrow skills to a serviceable level, and she did play backrow during the season, but the plan for D'Errico was always to play backrow for Fawcett as much as needed. The staff knew the year before that they wouldn't be able to count on six rotations from her. I don't know where you got that they thought otherwise, because all quotes about Fawcett, as well as what happened during matches, show that you're wrong. They had no reason to play her that much all season long. It would've been a terrible choice. They planned on D'Errico contributing as a freshman, despite what you said about PSU freshman in 2007. Fawcett did not become a full-time, no-subs six-rotation player until her senior year. Go read her bio on the PSU website for 2007 as a junior. I don't know where you got your info from. But the plan was to have her play all rotations. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford to have her play all 6 rotations her whole junior season. That's when Alyssa came in. and exactly, you said as much as they needed. Proving my point. As much as they needed when Fawcett wasn't playing the best in the backrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 4:07:27 GMT -5
You're wrong. They did as much as they could to develop Fawcett's backrow skills to a serviceable level, and she did play backrow during the season, but the plan for D'Errico was always to play backrow for Fawcett as much as needed. The staff knew the year before that they wouldn't be able to count on six rotations from her. I don't know where you got that they thought otherwise, because all quotes about Fawcett, as well as what happened during matches, show that you're wrong. They had no reason to play her that much all season long. It would've been a terrible choice. They planned on D'Errico contributing as a freshman, despite what you said about PSU freshman in 2007. Fawcett did not become a full-time, no-subs six-rotation player until her senior year. Go read her bio on the PSU website for 2007 as a junior. I don't know where you got your info from. But the plan was to have her play all rotations. Unfortunately, they couldn't afford to have her play all 6 rotations her whole junior season. That's when Alyssa came in. and exactly, you said as much as they needed. Proving my point. As much as they needed when Fawcett wasn't playing the best in the backrow. ...and that ended up being almost every set of every match that season. Instead of reading her bio, how about you try watching some matches instead? "That's when Alyssa came in?" During the last month or so of the season, Fawcett's only backrow time was the half of a rotation when she served. You're wrong. They planned on D'Errico contributing a lot as a freshman. Don't test me on 2006-2009 Penn State women's volleyball.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 2, 2014 9:02:48 GMT -5
If you have ten people witness a VB match (or a car accident) you will have 10 different versions of who was involved and what actually happened. That is just the way it is. peoples versions of the facts may differ, but the facts are the facts. PSU has replaced many starters in the past, and started many freshman and advanced and won at the FF, as have other top programs. That is why they are top programs.
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Post by MTC on Aug 2, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
Facts are facts but perceived facts and actual facts often vary. Are you saying that PSU has lots of experience winning it all with freshmen playing?? If so, I agree.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 2, 2014 14:16:01 GMT -5
Facts are facts but perceived facts and actual facts often vary. Are you saying that PSU has lots of experience winning it all with freshmen playing?? If so, I agree. Im saying that the statement you made about them not being able to be a contender because they lost starters and will start freshman is completely wrong and flies in the face of history and fact.
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