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Post by bumpsetspike24 on Sept 7, 2014 15:03:21 GMT -5
Why worry about RPI in Week 1 or 2? Teams will move up and down over the next couple of months. UGAs loss last weekend was not what we wanted however. SMU who we lost to just beat pre season number 24 and U San Fran. is 5-1 with a good fight against Long Beach state in their only loss. last weeks win over SMU who just beat the pre season number 24 means they are right in the top 64 mix. Just hang on things will play out. We had our RS play middle this week because of a concussion to Eatmon in practice. It is early teams will work things out and RPIs will also find a way to be close to accurate as possible.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 7, 2014 15:17:33 GMT -5
Why worry about RPI in Week 1 or 2? Teams will move up and down over the next couple of months. UGAs loss last weekend was not what we wanted however. SMU who we lost to just beat pre season number 24 and U San Fran. is 5-1 with a good fight against Long Beach state in their only loss. last weeks win over SMU who just beat the pre season number 24 means they are right in the top 64 mix. Just hang on things will play out. We had our RS play middle this week because of a concussion to Eatmon in practice. It is early teams will work things out and RPIs will also find a way to be close to accurate as possible. The RPI doesn't really work that way. RPI is not accurate, if accurate means to properly evaluate performance. But assuming that RPI is the gospel, then the record of your opponents is hugely important. How teams in your conference play in out of conference games makes a big difference. Once those non conference games are over, then the opponent record is not going to change very much. What happens in August and September becomes the key to the final RPI. The SEC hit the RPI gold mine in 2013. Unless things change quickly, 2014 may be more like a disaster.
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Post by bumpsetspike24 on Sept 7, 2014 15:32:33 GMT -5
Why worry about RPI in Week 1 or 2? Teams will move up and down over the next couple of months. UGAs loss last weekend was not what we wanted however. SMU who we lost to just beat pre season number 24 and U San Fran. is 5-1 with a good fight against Long Beach state in their only loss. last weeks win over SMU who just beat the pre season number 24 means they are right in the top 64 mix. Just hang on things will play out. We had our RS play middle this week because of a concussion to Eatmon in practice. It is early teams will work things out and RPIs will also find a way to be close to accurate as possible. The RPI doesn't really work that way. RPI is not accurate, if accurate means to properly evaluate performance. But assuming that RPI is the gospel, then the record of your opponents is hugely important. How teams in your conference play in out of conference games makes a big difference. Once those non conference games are over, then the opponent record is not going to change very much. What happens in August and September becomes the key to the final RPI. The SEC hit the RPI gold mine in 2013. Unless things change quickly, 2014 may be more like a disaster. I hear the same BS all the time from every sport including College Football it really does not matter for the teams in the top 40 in Volleyball everyone argues who the 50th and lower teams should be. I heard from all the posters last year how UGA should not have gone. especially after we lost to American in the first round, However as I stated before American took out a very good Duke team in their HOUSE the next day. American was a top 20 team no doubt about it. As well as this year American just played FSU to a 5 set loss. I guess what I am really saying is some ones going to get left out and yes they probably could win a round or lose a very good match in the first round of the NCAA tourney. When it is all said in done there is only one winner. If we took 100 teams then posters would complain who should make it in to 80-100. Has a non seeded team in Womens Volleyball every made it to the round of 8,4, finals?
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 7, 2014 15:51:59 GMT -5
The RPI doesn't really work that way. RPI is not accurate, if accurate means to properly evaluate performance. But assuming that RPI is the gospel, then the record of your opponents is hugely important. How teams in your conference play in out of conference games makes a big difference. Once those non conference games are over, then the opponent record is not going to change very much. What happens in August and September becomes the key to the final RPI. The SEC hit the RPI gold mine in 2013. Unless things change quickly, 2014 may be more like a disaster. I hear the same BS all the time from every sport including College Football it really does not matter for the teams in the top 40 in Volleyball everyone argues who the 50th and lower teams should be. I heard from all the posters last year how UGA should not have gone. especially after we lost to American in the first round, However as I stated before American took out a very good Duke team in their HOUSE the next day. American was a top 20 team no doubt about it. As well as this year American just played FSU to a 5 set loss. I guess what I am really saying is some ones going to get left out and yes they probably could win a round or lose a very good match in the first round of the NCAA tourney. When it is all said in done there is only one winner. If we took 100 teams then posters would complain who should make it in to 80-100. Has a non seeded team in Womens Volleyball every made it to the round of 8,4, finals? I guess we are talking about different things - if Georgia wants to make it to the tournament this year, than RPI is likely going to be an important element (or just win the conference). Georgia will most likely have a much harder time having an RPI good enough to make the tournament this year because of the poor performance so far by the SEC. In addition - it is becoming unlikely that the SEC will have 3 seeded teams this year, the RPI's of all SEC teams are going to take a hit.
2012 Michigan was unranked and made it to the final 4. 2013 Purdue was unranked and made the round of 8 - but that is a different topic.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 7, 2014 16:07:07 GMT -5
The RPI doesn't really work that way. RPI is not accurate, if accurate means to properly evaluate performance. But assuming that RPI is the gospel, then the record of your opponents is hugely important. How teams in your conference play in out of conference games makes a big difference. Once those non conference games are over, then the opponent record is not going to change very much. What happens in August and September becomes the key to the final RPI. The SEC hit the RPI gold mine in 2013. Unless things change quickly, 2014 may be more like a disaster. I hear the same BS all the time from every sport including College Football it really does not matter for the teams in the top 40 in Volleyball everyone argues who the 50th and lower teams should be. I heard from all the posters last year how UGA should not have gone. especially after we lost to American in the first round, However as I stated before American took out a very good Duke team in their HOUSE the next day. American was a top 20 team no doubt about it. As well as this year American just played FSU to a 5 set loss. I guess what I am really saying is some ones going to get left out and yes they probably could win a round or lose a very good match in the first round of the NCAA tourney. When it is all said in done there is only one winner. If we took 100 teams then posters would complain who should make it in to 80-100. Has a non seeded team in Womens Volleyball every made it to the round of 8,4, finals? What are you smoking? American was NOT a Top 20 team last year. Tournament finish =/ strength of team, especially when you get a Mideast subregional.
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Post by brevvball on Sept 7, 2014 16:14:45 GMT -5
Let me help. RPI is about, not just you record but opponents record(winning %). However, if teams continue to take L's to teams without a marque win like last year(Stanford, Minn) then the conference is in trouble. Nationally, the perception was that the sec had far to many teams in the ncaa, and that proved true by results. This year it seems like sec teams tried to schedule tough matches but they are losing most of them without a sinature win for the league.
And I will be the first to admit that my prediction of my vols emergence was premature. They are a mess and I think that Rob is in trouble. The move of Ashley to the left is confusing but other than that they just aren't very good. We get aced way to much and we just aren't tough. Never thought I would say that tenn vb is just not talented and that the players are soft. To bad. Sec will get 3-4 teams in this year and that might be to many.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Sept 7, 2014 17:30:03 GMT -5
The SEC this year has shown that maybe only two teams are currently worthy of a NCAA bid. Florida and Kentucky.
Aggies have a 5-1 record but haven't looked great at all from the outside this season and passing is below average at this time. Now the 5-1 record will likely be 5-5 after USC San Diego and Florida State twice. Any win in those four matches would be huge.
Alabama I thought would be undefeated going into conference play. Missouri I picked middle of the road simply withe the loss of Henning and Kreklow but not this much of a drop off. Ole Miss hasn't played anyone yet. Georgia and auburn not as strong as predicted. The SEC is by my estimation probably the 6th best conference at best, and that is being generous
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Post by VBLVFL on Sept 7, 2014 17:32:07 GMT -5
I'm a little disappointed in the vols start as well, but I don't think that they are not talented. I have watched several of those girls play at other levels and they are way more competitive than what they are showing. They are playing soft, or timid but I'm not sure why to be honest. That lack of aggressiveness is showing in their hitting and kill percentages. The aces will work themselves out in my opinion as they are young and the coach teaches them a new reception technique that takes a while to pick up. If they played to their full physical ability they would be quite a force, but they just seem to be very error prone. Whatever it is that is lacking, they will need to figure out fast, that's for sure.
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Post by VBLVFL on Sept 7, 2014 17:42:35 GMT -5
I guess I should add that in the games I've watched the team switches between several different serve receive lineups and players are being subbed in and out. Some of the aces I've seen have been from confusion, players jumping in front of each other or things of that nature. I would hope that this would go away as the season progresses. The hitting errors, I can only keep my fingers crossed.
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Post by cw on Sept 7, 2014 18:35:30 GMT -5
Nationally, the perception was that the sec had far to many teams in the ncaa, and that proved true by results. This reasoning drives me absolutely bonkers. 32 teams lose in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Half the field. Does that mean they didn't deserve to be there?
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Post by bumpsetspike24 on Sept 7, 2014 19:26:40 GMT -5
Ok I see what you mean about the overall losses by the conference then trying to make an RPI move during the season....
Im not smokin anything American beat Duke at home I thought they were 15 or 16 in the country at the time then they play Texas and take a set from them. I saw them play they were very strong so my opinion is that they were a top 20 team. I came up with that also based on seeing Florida,Kentucky and Mizzu play. American was strong.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Sept 7, 2014 20:26:40 GMT -5
The SEC this year has shown that maybe only two teams are currently worthy of a NCAA bid. Florida and Kentucky. Aggies have a 5-1 record but haven't looked great at all from the outside this season and passing is below average at this time. Now the 5-1 record will likely be 5-5 after USC San Diego and Florida State twice. Any win in those four matches would be huge. Alabama I thought would be undefeated going into conference play. Missouri I picked middle of the road simply withe the loss of Henning and Kreklow but not this much of a drop off. Ole Miss hasn't played anyone yet. Georgia and auburn not as strong as predicted. The SEC is by my estimation probably the 6th best conference at best, and that is being generous I read the last sentence of your post and was wondering if you could expand on it.
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Post by brevvball on Sept 7, 2014 20:44:21 GMT -5
Although the ? was not directed at me, I will answer with a ? What is the conf best win, so far? Last year they had wins vs Stanford, Minn, etc. What is the conf best win?Oklahoma? Northern Iowa?
The league is just not good and there is no defense. Florida, Kentucky, Lsu, Texas a/m(maybe) and that is it. Arkansas is just like several others from other mid major conferences. Georgia is a possibility, I guess. Missou is trying to find answers for there loses. Alabama does not have it with there best player a 5'10 middle and no passing. I'm just assuming that this is a down year and we will bounce back. My vols are not helping losing to apply state and Omaha. I know northern Illinois is legit but we have fallen from the days of 2011-12.
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Post by nakedcrayon on Sept 7, 2014 20:51:29 GMT -5
Off the top of my head.... PAC BIG BIG 12 ACC WCC are all better. You look at the conference from last year which didn't go well in post season to say the least and not one team looks better than last year and quite a few look worse.
Missouri georgia auburn are supposed to be middle of pack and if that is the case that is worse than the middle of pack last year. Tenn, miss state, South Carolina have shown nothing to get out from bottom four in conference and ole miss will have played nobody IMO until conference
Leaves LSU, TEXAS A&M, Arkansas. And Arkansas didn't have a good second tourney after a decent first weekend showing. Alabama should have been undefeated going into conference play.
The season is early but FLORIDA and Kentucky are locks but after that someone will have to step up. Alabama arkansas Aggies and LSU will have to do well the next two weekends or make significant strides in conference.
I was expecting better from the SEC this year. Still early in season, with plenty of time to gel but RPI won't be good for conference the way they have played first two weekends
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Post by cw on Sept 7, 2014 21:17:33 GMT -5
Alabama does not have it with there best player a 5'10 middle and no passing. You clearly haven't watched Alabama play this year as they have moved Rivers to the right side (where she takes significantly more swings) and have stud freshman (Hutson) playing in the middle who is easily 6'2". Edit: Thanks to mclvbdad for pointing out my own error... Rivers is playing on the right, Hutson on the left, and both middles (Lawrence and Evangelista) are over 6'. I was surprised that Alabama dropped two matches this weekend but I don't think that negates them from being a serious contender in the SEC this season.
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