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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 13, 2014 14:58:10 GMT -5
I didn't expect hawaii to have a strong schedule. They have two potential top 25 matches in Oregon and Arizona state. It's not the best Schedule and they will not be hosting, even if they go undefeated, but this is a rebuilding year for the team. I wasn't expecting Stanford, Texas, USC On the schedule
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 13, 2014 15:01:37 GMT -5
I am sure it would be if Hawaii had done some aggressive scheduling. You are not going to bait me into a flame war, are you kidding? lol. I don't see how aggressive scheduling by Hawai'i has anything to do with my earlier comments considering I was referring to conference matches. "Aggressive scheduling" as you put it, has little-to-nothing do with conference matches as conference teams are scheduled to play other conference teams each year. Counting non conference AVCA top 25 opponents is interesting, counting conference opponents that would already be on the schedule for conference play is not.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 13, 2014 15:20:53 GMT -5
An interesting way (I think) to look at things. Here are the number of matches each of the top 25 teams has against other preseason top 25 teams for the season.. My only real thoughts about this are 1. Hawaii's schedule is embarassing and appears lazy. 2. Texas has a clear path to year end #1. 3. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland has a negative impact on potential RPI for some B1G teams more than others. 4. Teams best positioned to over-perform ranking because of "big win opportunities" I think are Illinois, Minnesota, North Carolina and Arizona State. Last year, Hawaii had 12 nonconference games compared to just 11 this season. That is a bit of problem for Hawaii as far as RPI. UCLA is the only team on both season's schedule. Last season - Hawaii's 12 opponents had a .645 w/l% compared to just .612 for this season. I could easily see the .612 (based on last season's records) improve with Arizona State (19-14) likely to be better - along with the potential for Oregon and UCLA (?) to have better records this year. Switching San Diego State for San Diego put a hurt on this year's schedule and of course not playing Texas. I don't find Hawaii's schedule embarassing. As far as lazy - I think this is the appropriate schedule Hawaii wants, if they are lookiing at potential RPI.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 13, 2014 16:00:02 GMT -5
An interesting way (I think) to look at things. Here are the number of matches each of the top 25 teams has against other preseason top 25 teams for the season.. My only real thoughts about this are 1. Hawaii's schedule is embarassing and appears lazy. 2. Texas has a clear path to year end #1. 3. The addition of Rutgers and Maryland has a negative impact on potential RPI for some B1G teams more than others. 4. Teams best positioned to over-perform ranking because of "big win opportunities" I think are Illinois, Minnesota, North Carolina and Arizona State. Last year, Hawaii had 12 nonconference games compared to just 11 this season. That is a bit of problem for Hawaii as far as RPI. UCLA is the only team on both season's schedule. Last season - Hawaii's 12 opponents had a .645 w/l% compared to just .612 for this season. I could easily see the .612 (based on last season's records) improve with Arizona State (19-14) likely to be better - along with the potential for Oregon and UCLA (?) to have better records this year. Switching San Diego State for San Diego put a hurt on this year's schedule and of course not playing Texas. I don't find Hawaii's schedule embarassing. As far as lazy - I think this is the appropriate schedule Hawaii wants, if they are lookiing at potential RPI. I mean, they'd have more than 1 pre-season Top 25 opponent, but would the schedule be that much tougher (enough to make it out of "embarrassing") if they scheduled Kansas and American instead of UCLA and UO? I'm also not too sure USD is really better than SDSU this year, but that's another question (extrapolating quality based on last year's records is pretty useful in the macro - as Pablo can attest -- but not if you're going to pick through individual opponents). It'd probably be best to do mean/median Pablos for OOC opponents and seeing what that shows.
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Post by network155 on Aug 14, 2014 3:04:07 GMT -5
I am a little upset at the schedule this year, I mean I know that Dave is trying to at least give his young team a chance here, but I think scheduling tough makes you a better team come postseason, especially a young team. It's always good to expose them to tough competition early on, win or lose, and I'm not saying that the schedule this year is weak, but other than a couple of PAC-12 teams who are also in the rebuilding phase (UCLA and Oregon), they could've atleast bring in Stanford or Washington for a match or schedule a match or two on the road. Just got my season tickets, so I am anxious and can't wait!
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Post by bigfan on Aug 14, 2014 12:47:13 GMT -5
Cant believe how UCLA has fallen so far, so fast
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 14, 2014 13:13:10 GMT -5
I am a little upset at the schedule this year, I mean I know that Dave is trying to at least give his young team a chance here, but I think scheduling tough makes you a better team come postseason, especially a young team. It's always good to expose them to tough competition early on, win or lose, and I'm not saying that the schedule this year is weak, but other than a couple of PAC-12 teams who are also in the rebuilding phase (UCLA and Oregon), they could've atleast bring in Stanford or Washington for a match or schedule a match or two on the road. Just got my season tickets, so I am anxious and can't wait! Most PAC-12 teams don't have any empty dates these days. There are more conference matches, and also setting up rotating-venue, locked-in series is the rage right now. Finding three empty dates like a trip to Hawaii requires may be difficult.
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Post by network155 on Aug 14, 2014 13:59:30 GMT -5
I am a little upset at the schedule this year, I mean I know that Dave is trying to at least give his young team a chance here, but I think scheduling tough makes you a better team come postseason, especially a young team. It's always good to expose them to tough competition early on, win or lose, and I'm not saying that the schedule this year is weak, but other than a couple of PAC-12 teams who are also in the rebuilding phase (UCLA and Oregon), they could've atleast bring in Stanford or Washington for a match or schedule a match or two on the road. Just got my season tickets, so I am anxious and can't wait! Most PAC-12 teams don't have any empty dates these days. There are more conference matches, and also setting up rotating-venue, locked-in series is the rage right now. Finding three empty dates like a trip to Hawaii requires may be difficult. I don't mean exclusively PAC-12. But yes, it is difficult to schedule good teams. It was very nice that they were abled to get Texas here last year though. Aside from that I can wait to watch volleyball. We've been deprived for so long!
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 14, 2014 14:51:02 GMT -5
I am a little upset at the schedule this year, I mean I know that Dave is trying to at least give his young team a chance here, but I think scheduling tough makes you a better team come postseason, especially a young team. It's always good to expose them to tough competition early on, win or lose, and I'm not saying that the schedule this year is weak, but other than a couple of PAC-12 teams who are also in the rebuilding phase (UCLA and Oregon), they could've atleast bring in Stanford or Washington for a match or schedule a match or two on the road. Just got my season tickets, so I am anxious and can't wait! arizona st might be better than those 2 teams this year.
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Post by StuffU on Aug 14, 2014 14:53:24 GMT -5
I am a little upset at the schedule this year, I mean I know that Dave is trying to at least give his young team a chance here, but I think scheduling tough makes you a better team come postseason, especially a young team. It's always good to expose them to tough competition early on, win or lose, and I'm not saying that the schedule this year is weak, but other than a couple of PAC-12 teams who are also in the rebuilding phase (UCLA and Oregon), they could've atleast bring in Stanford or Washington for a match or schedule a match or two on the road. Just got my season tickets, so I am anxious and can't wait! Most PAC-12 teams don't have any empty dates these days. There are more conference matches, and also setting up rotating-venue, locked-in series is the rage right now. Finding three empty dates like a trip to Hawaii requires may be difficult. Hawaii has 3 Pac-12 opponents this year, similar to every other year. Can't see why it would be the Pac-12 schedule. My guess is Dave was not interested in seeing Stanford, Washington, or USC early in the year with little to no chance of competing well. I'm not in love with the schedule as a fan of volleyball, but I certainly understand the why.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 14, 2014 17:12:11 GMT -5
Most PAC-12 teams don't have any empty dates these days. There are more conference matches, and also setting up rotating-venue, locked-in series is the rage right now. Finding three empty dates like a trip to Hawaii requires may be difficult. Hawaii has 3 Pac-12 opponents this year, similar to every other year. Can't see why it would be the Pac-12 schedule. My guess is Dave was not interested in seeing Stanford, Washington, or USC early in the year with little to no chance of competing well. I'm not in love with the schedule as a fan of volleyball, but I certainly understand the why. Stanford, USC, and Washington now all have those locked in dates I was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 17:36:53 GMT -5
Cant believe how UCLA has fallen so far, so fast It actually just highlights how remarkable their championship was.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 14, 2014 17:46:27 GMT -5
Cant believe how UCLA has fallen so far, so fast It actually just highlights how remarkable their championship was. We'll ucla did have kidder and love during that championship, who pretty much carried that team
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 14, 2014 17:58:41 GMT -5
Cant believe how UCLA has fallen so far, so fast Talent-wise UCLA isn't that far behind Stanford, USC, and UW. Karsta Lowe might be the best OPP in the country, but needs help from the OHs - Carmona (transferred from FSU), Klineman, Felix, and/or Lawless.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 14, 2014 18:03:44 GMT -5
Cant believe how UCLA has fallen so far, so fast Talent-wise UCLA isn't that far behind Stanford, USC, and UW. Karsta Lowe might be the best OPP in the country, but needs help from the OHs - Carmona (transferred from FSU), Klineman, Felix, and/or Lawless. The Greek one (Stranzhali) and the freshman (Buechler) are going to do a lot more than those you've listed. I don't think you'd see Carmona or Felix anywhere on the left either.
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