|
Post by badgerbreath on Sept 20, 2014 13:26:33 GMT -5
You do realize that defensiveness is a sign of fear, guilt and/or weakness, right? What you should have done is turned it a complement, for why else would PSU need practice beating up cupcakes going into the NCAA unless they were successful during the season. On thing I will say about PSU, is that they haven't shown quite the ebbs and flows in concentration against the lesser teams that UW has. Maybe that is because they can get by on their talent alone in those matches, whereas UW's style and personnel requires commitment, concentration and integration. It's because psu has three freshman on the floor. It's gonna take them some time to find that flow. In the meantime there athletic ability has suited fine. So your saying psu doesn't commit or concentrate to eAch match they go into. Sounds a bit ridiculous to me Read again. Ebbs and flows = waxes and wanes = comes and goes. I'm not saying UW's play flows better. I'm saying our concentration has not always been there, and PSU has been more consistent -- at least according to the stats. What is it with you guys? Do you look for criticism?
|
|
|
Post by wonderwarthog79 on Sept 20, 2014 13:34:02 GMT -5
Carlini seems to be heading towards the Oly's. Vansant? There's a lot of great OH out there.... she's fun to watch though, could be there. How good of a multiple position player is she? I'm not talking up psu here it's just who I follow. So I would say how does she compare to a déjà who can terminate pass and dig. Frantti looks like she can be same type player I never thought much of Vansant as a passer. Notice that teams tend to serve right at her, partly to take her out her rhythm, partly because her passing breaks down. As far as that goes while I haven't seen much of Franti, she seems like an "exterminator"--heavy hitter, not so great at the other chores, but she's young with time to develop. Vansant can hit anywhere, left right, pipe. She has that in common with Karsta Lowe. Both could make the Olys, but I doubt either would start ahead of the other OH's.
|
|
|
Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 20, 2014 14:05:44 GMT -5
Post match quote: Wisconsin was tough, Vansant acknowledged, but no tougher than what she sees regularly at practice. “We play against that (brand of defense) at practice all the time,” she said. “Our defense on our side is ridiculous all the time.”haha...that's the funniest thing I've read all week. I love my huskies, but the backcourt defense is not even close to that of Wisconsin. Even when UW did dig balls off of good swings by Wisconsin, rarely were they good touches to the setters....the setters had to flop so many sets in transition, whereas Wisconsin had a lot of really great transitions because the quality of their digs were FAR superior. Yeah, yeah, yeah, UW had fewer digs because they had more blocks, sure, but they weren't going to get 22 more digs, and regardless, most of those digs would not have been quality touches. People seem to miss the second aspect of great backcourt defense. It's not just about keeping the ball off the ground, it's about how well you can transition after you keep the ball off the ground. The Wisconsin defenders put up 2-3 times as many passes off of digs that any setter in the country could work with and run an offense. A lot of Washington's "digs" were scrambles just to get the ball back over the net. The UW backcourt started playing better for the second half of the match, but to suggest that the UW backcourt is, as Vansant says, "ridiculous all the time" is kind of a joke. Haha. Yup, she's da kine cocky. :-) However, maybe Vansant didn't perceive a difference because everything she hits goes to the floor anyway? But we were digging her out pretty strong.
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 15:00:47 GMT -5
I never thought much of Vansant as a passer. Notice that teams tend to serve right at her, partly to take her out her rhythm, partly because her passing breaks down. As far as that goes while I haven't seen much of Franti, she seems like an "exterminator"--heavy hitter, not so great at the other chores, but she's young with time to develop. Vansant can hit anywhere, left right, pipe. She has that in common with Karsta Lowe. Both could make the Olys, but I doubt either would start ahead of the other OH's. That hasn't been the case since she was a sophomore. Last night the Badgers primarily targeted Scambray in serve-receive, who started out with two shanks, but then settled down and passed better the rest of the way. Opponents have learned that serving Vansant doesn't rattle her. Washington doesn't try to hide her in serve-receive, like Wisconsin was trying to hide their OHs last night, with Morey covering over half the court. On defense, don't be fooled by Washington's anemic dig numbers - that's their scheme. Lot's of balls never get to their back row. Vansant can do it all - see her USC line at the Regionals: 38 kills, .346, 30 digs, with only one receive-error after being served all match long. Last night she had 6 blocks, including 3 solos. She was a big part of blunting Wisconsin's slide, which just destroyed USC. As to who'll be at Tokyo, that's a long way off.
|
|
|
Post by mikegarrison on Sept 20, 2014 15:11:24 GMT -5
I never thought much of Vansant as a passer. Notice that teams tend to serve right at her, partly to take her out her rhythm, partly because her passing breaks down. As far as that goes while I haven't seen much of Franti, she seems like an "exterminator"--heavy hitter, not so great at the other chores, but she's young with time to develop. Vansant can hit anywhere, left right, pipe. She has that in common with Karsta Lowe. Both could make the Olys, but I doubt either would start ahead of the other OH's. That hasn't been the case since she was a sophomore. Last night the Badgers primarily targeted Scambray in serve-receive, who started out with two shanks, but then settled down and passed better the rest of the way. Opponents have learned that serving Vansant doesn't rattle her. Washington doesn't try to hide her in serve-receive, like Wisconsin was trying to hide their OHs last night, with Morey covering over half the court. On defense, don't be fooled by Washington's anemic dig numbers - that's their scheme. Lot's of balls never get to their back row. Vansant can do it all - see her USC line at the Regionals: 38 kills, .346, 30 digs, with only one receive-error after being served all match long. Last night she had 6 blocks, including 3 solos. She was a big part of blunting Wisconsin's slide, which just destroyed USC. As to who'll be at Tokyo, that's a long way off. Yes, it was clear that the serving target for Wisconsin was Tia Scambray. She held up pretty well, after some struggles in the first set. But really, Washington's passing last night was OK, but their digging was not. It certainly was not up to the caliber of Wisconsin's digging, which does make Vansant's comment rather amusing. I remember how Orlandini struggled her sophomore year when she was expected to run the defense with a lot a freshmen on the court and also handle all of her own play. A lot of people were complaining about her then, but she turned out very good as a junior and senior. And she did fine as a freshman, too, when she was playing with a lot of upperclassmen and didn't have to do a lot of leadership. I think what we are seeing with Strickland may be some of the same -- she has to take up all of JO's different roles, including the defense leadership role with all these new players on the court. And she doesn't have herself to help her cover the floor, the way Orlandini had Strickland there to help. So yeah, there has been a drop-off, but it's completely understandable. And I'm confident it will get better, but it may be a painful growing process at times.
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Sept 20, 2014 15:30:06 GMT -5
Especially in women's volleyball, teammates always talk each other up. I can't remember a case where a player said, "we have some good players, but the other team was better at such and such." It's implicit criticism of their team to the benefit of the other. No good can come from that. Instead, better to raise up your teammates in the middle of a season, like Van Sant is doing.
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 15:41:25 GMT -5
Yes, it was clear that the serving target for Wisconsin was Tia Scambray. She held up pretty well, after some struggles in the first set. But really, Washington's passing last night was OK, but their digging was not. It certainly was not up to the caliber of Wisconsin's digging, which does make Vansant's comment rather amusing. I remember how Orlandini struggled her sophomore year when she was expected to run the defense with a lot a freshmen on the court and also handle all of her own play. A lot of people were complaining about her then, but she turned out very good as a junior and senior. And she did fine as a freshman, too, when she was playing with a lot of upperclassmen and didn't have to do a lot of leadership. I think what we are seeing with Strickland may be some of the same -- she has to take up all of JO's different roles, including the defense leadership role with all these new players on the court. And she doesn't have herself to help her cover the floor, the way Orlandini had Strickland there to help. So yeah, there has been a drop-off, but it's completely understandable. And I'm confident it will get better, but it may be a painful growing process at times.
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 16:03:57 GMT -5
Yes, it was clear that the serving target for Wisconsin was Tia Scambray. She held up pretty well, after some struggles in the first set. But really, Washington's passing last night was OK, but their digging was not. It certainly was not up to the caliber of Wisconsin's digging, which does make Vansant's comment rather amusing. I remember how Orlandini struggled her sophomore year when she was expected to run the defense with a lot a freshmen on the court and also handle all of her own play. A lot of people were complaining about her then, but she turned out very good as a junior and senior. And she did fine as a freshman, too, when she was playing with a lot of upperclassmen and didn't have to do a lot of leadership. I think what we are seeing with Strickland may be some of the same -- she has to take up all of JO's different roles, including the defense leadership role with all these new players on the court. And she doesn't have herself to help her cover the floor, the way Orlandini had Strickland there to help. So yeah, there has been a drop-off, but it's completely understandable. And I'm confident it will get better, but it may be a painful growing process at times. I agree that the passing is still a work in progress - some of that is likely just communication and coordination. Just don't think that passing is an individual weakness for Vansant - she might actually play better when she's served a lot. The digging is probably some of the same. I think you're right on about Strickland struggling a bit with the increased defensive responsibilities, while missing the adrenaline rush of hitting. I thought a lot of the "fire" was back last night - hopefully that will drive her forward. Still, Washington's scheme is to serve tough and block hard, which means a lot of balls never get to the backrow, and many of those that do are from in-system attacks.
|
|
|
Post by jsn112 on Sept 20, 2014 17:27:03 GMT -5
Yes, yes we do. I like to wait for the match notes to come out. And a well designed thread will have all the appropriate links for following the match. Instead of making people looking on their own. (Hint hint) Great matchups, but jeez second time in a row Badgers get to board a plane from SeaTac with a heartbreaking loss. I do see this as agood growth opportunity. I only got the radio feed, but I could tell Chapman and Bates struggled. So proud of this team, though,and special shoutout to Thomas who has just been rock solid from the right this season. Agree that the "12:30" finish certainly did not help. Quite frankly, too, the travel back, the loss,and PSU's cupcake weekend dont bode well for Wed. Now, now, if PSU doesn't schedule cupcakes in the pre-conference, they won't get a chance to practice beating up on cupcakes before they have to do it in the initial rounds of the NCAA tournament. What do you mean? There's another cupcake coming up this Wednesday. That cupcake, as you may already know, just lost to a team that PSU turned into a road-kill at last year's semi final. So I hope you will post more cupcake postings after Wednesday. Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 17:40:46 GMT -5
How about taking the boorish smack talk to a PSU @ Wisconsin thread?
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Sept 20, 2014 17:57:00 GMT -5
Anyhoo...is there ever a chance to see these Pac-12 channel games retroactively? I'm still a bit miffed there was no chance to see this thing live.
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 18:19:13 GMT -5
Anyhoo...is there ever a chance to see these Pac-12 channel games retroactively? I'm still a bit miffed there was no chance to see this thing live. Maybe someone will put it up on YouTube. If it's available on a higher tier, temporarily upgrade to catch a replay. If a friend has it, maybe you can go watch a replay at their house. If you've got DirecTV...fahgeddabowtit!
|
|
|
Post by Huskyfan on Sept 20, 2014 18:44:00 GMT -5
Don't know about Fitzmorris - she's likely going where she can step right in as a starter, which won't be Washington. UW does need to bring in some middles, however. Why not at Washington? Fitzmorris is a 2016. By that time, Wade and Sybeldon will have graduated and Washington (at this point) only has Jones
|
|
|
Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 20, 2014 18:52:06 GMT -5
Why not at Washington? Fitzmorris is a 2016. By that time, Wade and Sybeldon will have graduated and Washington (at this point) only has Jones Read she was a 2015. If wrong, I amend my remark. JMac has been bringing in highly regarded recruits. Hopefully that will continue.
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Sept 20, 2014 18:59:20 GMT -5
Basically, I'm in NY with Cablevision and no Pac-12 access. So it sound like I have to depend on YouTube. Oh well.
|
|