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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Sept 23, 2014 5:18:09 GMT -5
Just curious if the coaches of each individual team get to pick which members of their team are all-tourney? For instance coach of first-place team gets to designate MVP and two other all-tourney players, second place coach gets to name two members of her team, third place coach gets to name one player of his team, and fourth place coach gets to name one player of her team.
It would seem this is how these things tend to go in these preseason tourneys, when coaches and teams don't necessarily even hang around for award presentations.
Is this the case?
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Post by kolohekeiki on Sept 23, 2014 5:45:33 GMT -5
I might be wrong but I do not think that's how it works. The coaches do vote for players as well as media or other personnel that is around at the tournament. I do not believe coaches designate their own all-stars and MVP, they need to be voted on by all the coaches and other members participating in the voting.
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Post by tncoach on Sept 23, 2014 8:16:55 GMT -5
It comes down to the specific tourney rules. You are both partially correct. Most of the time the tourney director asks each coach to identify their top player(s) from the tourney. Depending on their finish in the tourney, it could be 1-3 selections for all tourney, and the top team gets the choice for MVP. Other tourneys the coaches are asked to vote for the top player from their team and the opposing team immediately after each match and the SID tabulates results. Once in a while I have noticed media members and/or score table staff given the opportunity to cast votes as well but this is actually rare in volleyball.
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 23, 2014 8:21:10 GMT -5
I was part of a couple of panel that determined the all tournament and MVP for a conference tournament in DI. The coaches have nothing to do with it. WE, a panel of three watched all the matches court side and we met and discussed which kids we thought deserved the recognition. The protocol has always been that the winning team got thew most players on the all tournament team and working backwards, but we kind of broke that rule in one tournament because we felt that the second place team had some fantastic efforts. The winning coaching staff came around to ream us afterwards, days afterwards. They kept stating that there is a quota, we checked with the conference official and there was no quota for the winning team, lost a lot of respect for that staff.
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Post by tncoach on Sept 23, 2014 10:05:39 GMT -5
I was part of a couple of panel that determined the all tournament and MVP for a conference tournament in DI. The coaches have nothing to do with it. WE, a panel of three watched all the matches court side and we met and discussed which kids we thought deserved the recognition. The protocol has always been that the winning team got thew most players on the all tournament team and working backwards, but we kind of broke that rule in one tournament because we felt that the second place team had some fantastic efforts. The winning coaching staff came around to ream us afterwards, days afterwards. They kept stating that there is a quota, we checked with the conference official and there was no quota for the winning team, lost a lot of respect for that staff. I agree with you about post-season tourneys. But the question was about preconference tourneys. I do not know about other levels, but I still have yet to be involved with a NAIA or DI preconference tourney where the coaching staff did not have the primary vote for which player earns all tourney on their team...does not mean it never happens. Like I said, the tournament director sets the rules for their particular tourney, there is no set standard for all tourney selections. |
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Post by OptimusPrime on Sept 23, 2014 11:15:23 GMT -5
preconference 99.9% coach nominates his/her own player(s)- 1st place 3, 2 place 2, 3rd place 1 is the norm
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 23, 2014 11:33:53 GMT -5
It depends on the tournament. This is volleyball, not legislation drafting.
I was involved in several preconference and NCAA postseason tournaments. They get the press (and perhaps the SIDs) to vote. In all my experience, they distribute the ballot between the second and third set of the LAST match (the championship match). The ballot is a slip of paper with some players' names on it -- or you can write-in your own nominees. Then, you vote for all-tourney, plus MVP. There's no discussion, no input by coaches, nothing. It's just you and the ballot.
If, for some reason, you're not at your seat during the second and third set of that last match, you're not voting. It happened to me once because I had to go use the restroom. Had I been there, I would've significantly altered the all-tourney team.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 23, 2014 12:37:55 GMT -5
The winning coaching staff came around to ream us afterwards, days afterwards. They kept stating that there is a quota, we checked with the conference official and there was no quota for the winning team, lost a lot of respect for that staff. What conference? Pretty poor behavior. |
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Post by volleytology on Sept 23, 2014 12:42:03 GMT -5
The winning coaching staff came around to ream us afterwards, days afterwards. They kept stating that there is a quota, we checked with the conference official and there was no quota for the winning team, lost a lot of respect for that staff. What conference? Pretty poor behavior. Pretty standard that to the "victor's go the spoils" and traditionally, winning tournaments teams get MVP plus two all-tourney's. I would have been pissed too, if a "committee" had not followed that normal protocol. That's why I don't like all-tournament team "committee's"; they are usually way off and make wacky picks. Best to be left in the coaches hands. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Sept 23, 2014 12:51:24 GMT -5
What conference? Pretty poor behavior. Pretty standard that to the "victor's go the spoils" and traditionally, winning tournaments teams get MVP plus two all-tourney's. I would have been pissed too, if a "committee" had not followed that normal protocol. That's why I don't like all-tournament team "committee's"; they are usually way off and make wacky picks. Best to be left in the coaches hands. You are assuming that we went off the reservation completely and picked someone completely undeserving. That was not the case. We agonized over the selection but we just couldn't ignore this one kid. It was a flip of just one player from the first place team to the second place team. You also assume that by virtue of the fact that the winning team winning, that they had salient performances, they did not, they overwhelmed the other teams with better talent, but none of them stood out. Not a fan of quotas in this case, you need to earn your place onto an all tournament team. Isn't entitlement something we need to avoid in athletics? |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 23, 2014 15:25:47 GMT -5
preconference 99.9% coach nominates his/her own player(s)- 1st place 3, 2 place 2, 3rd place 1 is the norm Which helps explain why Carlini was left off the all-tournament team at Washington. Sheffield didn't nominate her. |
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Post by rogero1 on Sept 23, 2014 17:15:42 GMT -5
Nearly every NAIA, NCAA, & NJCAA tourney that I have been involved with or seen has the coaches (or their SID) submit their ballot for the all tournament team. I cannot say whether there are any quotas, but most follow the same formula.
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Post by volleytology on Sept 23, 2014 17:24:07 GMT -5
I got no problem with a quota. If you WIN the tournament, your players and program should be rewarded for that. If that's called a "quota", so be it. The winning team has earned the right to have more players represented on the all-tournament team.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 23, 2014 17:43:57 GMT -5
Such drama.
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Post by jayj79 on Sept 23, 2014 23:33:13 GMT -5
I got no problem with a quota. If you WIN the tournament, your players and program should be rewarded for that. If that's called a "quota", so be it. The winning team has earned the right to have more players represented on the all-tournament team. does being named "tourney" MVP or on the all-"tournament" team for these preseason "tournaments" actually carry anything with it other than bragging rights / something for the press/SID to talk about? Do they get better swag bags, or does all-american nomination depend on getting such honors? |
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