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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2014 2:03:02 GMT -5
The contrast in the crowd support in this match compared to what PSU/Nebraska were treated to is night and day. Two undefeated conference foes and that's all they can draw?? It's embarrassing. Inky is the Destinee Hooker of her time. She is just an amazingly talented & athletically gifted kid. Over 3,000 is actually good attendance for the Card. But yes, Nebraska regularly has over 8,000--amazing atmosphere. I'm guessing there is more to do in the Bay Area, but that's just a guess.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2014 2:05:34 GMT -5
Is Stanford serving that well or are we just falling apart in receive? There was absolutely nothing special about Burgess's four aces. Two of them were short serves, but they don't even float; they are just lollipops. Really surprised Oregon had trouble with them.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2014 2:13:31 GMT -5
If someone told me that Martenne and the middles were the offensive weapons for oregon.... Liz brenner did not look good at all though. I know everyone says she's a better player now but I'm not sure about that. The other sports might have affected her volleyball development Stanford stacked up on Brenner tonight, and Gilbert sat on her angle to take her cross-court hit away. Also, as Holly I think said, She isn't jumping as well this year. The good news for Oregon is that when they pass well and run that electric, fast offense, hitters like Bettendorf and Warner really came into their own. Oregon is serving tough, their frosh setter looks very good, they're blocking much better this year, and their passing and defense are nails. They just don't have the experience or weapons that Stanford has. BTW, is it true that Dunning said that Lutz may be the best player he ever coached? She sure looked that way tonight, routinely hitting with power over the block, 13 kills and zero errors, .591. She also has great hands. I'm pretty sure Dunning has NEVER said that. But he probably said that Lutz is the TALLEST player he has ever coached. You realize that Dunning coached Logan Tom, right?
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Post by sportsfun on Oct 4, 2014 2:13:52 GMT -5
The contrast in the crowd support in this match compared to what PSU/Nebraska were treated to is night and day. Two undefeated conference foes and that's all they can draw?? It's embarrassing. Thanks for your input. I don't think it is embarrassing at all. Stanford's student body has interests other than watching people bang a ball over a net. Different priorities than at Nebraska. Nebraska is an excellent university with a first-rate volleyball program. It might be better to praise your school than to spend time trying to put down other schools. This poster wrote in another thread about Stanford's embarrassingly low turn out and that he couldn't understand why ANYBODY would choose Stanford. I didn't see the game and bought into the hysteria, assuming there was a very low turn out. 3,000-plus is good in an area of the country where there are literally hundreds of activities to choose from, all within an hour of the campus, many minutes away. I have a relative who moved from California to Lincoln a few years ago and he frequently comments on the near obsession for Huskers sporting events. As difficult as it may be for them to understand how many entertainment options Californians have on any given day, we may have an equally difficult time understanding what it's like to live in an area where much of the Monday morning water cooler discussions revolve around the athletic endeavors of college kids. As my somewhat elderly relative puts it, it's either staring at endless cornfields, the Olive Garden, or the Huskers. It could be fun to experience college sports as near religion for a year or two. If nothing else, bless their hearts for being willing to go out in that winter weather to support their teams. I'm particularly impressed with the athletes who are academically eligible to get into a much more academically prestigious university such as Stanford and choose to go to Nebraska due to the love of the game or the loyalty to their state, conference, or region.
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Post by sportsfun on Oct 4, 2014 2:17:09 GMT -5
Stanford stacked up on Brenner tonight, and Gilbert sat on her angle to take her cross-court hit away. Also, as Holly I think said, She isn't jumping as well this year. The good news for Oregon is that when they pass well and run that electric, fast offense, hitters like Bettendorf and Warner really came into their own. Oregon is serving tough, their frosh setter looks very good, they're blocking much better this year, and their passing and defense are nails. They just don't have the experience or weapons that Stanford has. BTW, is it true that Dunning said that Lutz may be the best player he ever coached? She sure looked that way tonight, routinely hitting with power over the block, 13 kills and zero errors, .591. She also has great hands. I'm pretty sure Dunning has NEVER said that. But he probably said that Lutz is the TALLEST player he has ever coached. You realize that Dunning coached Logan Tom, right? Is it remotely possible the commentator over-dramatized his actual remark? The Pac-12 commentators are never known to be dramatic so who knows? (Sarcasm for anyone new to Pac-12 commentators)
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Post by blastingsand on Oct 4, 2014 2:17:26 GMT -5
On another note Morgan Boukather always seems to play her best volleyball against Oregon.
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Post by beachbomb on Oct 4, 2014 2:59:22 GMT -5
Is Stanford serving that well or are we just falling apart in receive? There was absolutely nothing special about Burgess's four aces. Two of them were short serves, but they don't even float; they are just lollipops. Really surprised Oregon had trouble with them. burgess doesn't have a hard serve looking at it from the side view... but she does place the ball and makes the receivers move their feet... abunch were over kills were it's just to much of the players momentum coming in to control a easy serve, also its an easy serve so sometime receivers under estimate it and start thinking offense right away and that can get them in trouble... i think its a smart serve but normally doesn't have this much success but she has been on long runs with her serve this season.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Oct 4, 2014 3:30:58 GMT -5
Stanford takes the first set 25-23. I love Burgess she dug a rocket that kept the play alive which led to a Stanford block for the win in set one. Burgess played tremendous defense tonight, and her swing is getting back into form as well. Bodes well This is the truth. Howard had her moments is still too inconsistent, but Burgess looked like the OH I know she can be. She had many great swings and kills and her defense was amazing as usual. She can be terminal on the outside. Tonight she did her job and more. I also saw her make diving digs a few times not afraid to sacrifice the body. This Stanford team is really taking shape and looking like the best and most balanced team in the country. They made a good Oregon team look average at times. I don't doubt Oregon is a top 15 squad but not many teams in the country have Stanford's balance. Also Boukather is the unsung hero of the team she quietly plays her role and gives you kills and even had some good digs tonight her shot selection at times amazes me she goes hard angle inside the ten foot and reads the court so well.
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Post by kokyu on Oct 4, 2014 5:13:43 GMT -5
Liz brenner did not look good at all though. I know everyone says she's a better player now but I'm not sure about that. The other sports might have affected her volleyball development Her sets were way too low... It was impossible to tell how many of her sets were too low watching TV with high camera angle but it was obvious in a couple floor level replays. Regardless Scott and Ashen are really good setters so this really falls on Brenner. Her performance this match and this year has been beyond disappointing. McPeak said Moore said she's not jumping as high anymore which makes sense with the extra weight gained. I couldn't believe how many balls she tipped/free balled over when two years ago she hammered everything down. Sometime in the second or third set I saw Moore's wife look over at Moore after she got stuff blocked with a "what should we do" and Moore just shrugged a "don't know." Hate to admit it but think she should've been subbed out and Moore needs to consider finding a replacement at least for front row. Lutz is proportioned 'normally' unlike the other player(s) her height, only know one other on Arizona. She may just become USA's female Muserskiy and her offense alone should have her considered for the third MB spot in Rio. I think she has better hands than Dixon too.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2014 7:05:01 GMT -5
[quote author=" blastingsand" Liz brenner did not look good at all though. I know everyone says she's a better player now but I'm not sure about that. The other sports might have affected her volleyball development Her sets were way too low...[/quote] Doesn't really matter how low her sets were, since she was getting ZERO air on her jumps. She definitely looked better in previous seasons.
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Post by sportsfun on Oct 4, 2014 7:56:22 GMT -5
Burgess played tremendous defense tonight, and her swing is getting back into form as well. Bodes well This is the truth. Howard had her moments is still too inconsistent, but Burgess looked like the OH I know she can be. She had many great swings and kills and her defense was amazing as usual. She can be terminal on the outside. Tonight she did her job and more. I also saw her make diving digs a few times not afraid to sacrifice the body. This Stanford team is really taking shape and looking like the best and most balanced team in the country. They made a good Oregon team look average at times. I don't doubt Oregon is a top 15 squad but not many teams in the country have Stanford's balance. Also Boukather is the unsung hero of the team she quietly plays her role and gives you kills and even had some good digs tonight her shot selection at times amazes me she goes hard angle inside the ten foot and reads the court so well. I slightly disagree with your statement that Morgan Boukather is the unsung hero of the team, and it boils down to who is doing the singing. Fans are increasingly more vocal about the significant contribution she consistently provides. When it comes to a team that struggles with consistency from their OHs, the importance of consistency can't be overstated. Boukather is second on the team in KPS (only behind Inky) with about one-third less attempts than Burgess and about 80 less than Howard. Morgan is hitting .337 (and that's without factoring in her most recent .455 performance against Oregon) If you factor in the Oregon match, she's coming close to 1.0 BPS and while she will obviously have more BPS on the RS, comparing it to Burgess'.31 BPS, her contribution in hitting and blocking is significantly better and more consistent. Thankfully, Bugg has demonstrated a noticeable improvement this season in setting the RS. Morgan is also second on the team in SA's. Burgess' contributions in the backcourt are significant but Boukather consistently turns in great performances in her three rotations. I notice that posters here recognize the importance of her contributions but I think she deserves more overall recognition in the Stanford articles, coach comments, and selection for post game interviews. It may sounds trivial to us as adults but as a player who rode the bench last season, and during her freshman year she often came in for a rotation or two during about half the sets, and did it with a smile on her face, she's earned the recognition. She has often made game changing kills/blocks in clutch moments. She continues to be the only consistent hitter outside of the two monster MBs. And no, I am not related to her. Inky and Lutz are receiving their just acknowledgements but I would like to see the coaching staff, Stanford website writers, and commentators catch up with the fans acknowledgement as to what a difference-maker Boukather is night in and night out. It's nice to see Burgess finally turn in a match we all know she's capable of producing but Morgan has been the one who the team, fans, and coaching staff can depend on and it seems as though the fans are the ones to most readily recognize this. I've noticed that although Howard gets far more criticism for her hitting than Burgess, their hitting percentages are nearly identical, hitting .214 and .222 respectively. Burgess has .267 KPS and Howard has .208. with Burgess having only about 40 more attempts. Howard's .73 BPS more than doubles Burgess' .31. Burgess has never been a strong blocker but .31 BPS is quite low. She's an undeniably stronger contributor in the backcourt although I have always respected Howard's back row play, even though she has struggled a bit this season. Stats only tell part of the story and it goes without saying that Boukather is going to have less hitting attempts and more BPS than players on the left but her statistics are impressive and encouraging. It's early in the season but now with 13 matches having been played I think they're fair to start considering and Stanford fans know Boukather is shining bright. The question is, can she maintain this level of play?
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 4, 2014 9:13:48 GMT -5
From the endline it is obvious Burgess's serves, especially the short ones, have some serious dip to them. She went short, short, short, then took a poke at the endline and Oregon let it drop in, uncontested. Believe that was Burgess. Stanford has always liked that short serve and targeted Brenner to get her out of the hitting rotation.
The re-match should be interesting. I believe it was the second set and Stanford was up 5-3 or 6-3. Boukather hit one of her cross court bombs and it got called in; our section agreed it looked out. Bugg, who was scoring points on serve all night, got three or four more in a string and it was 10-3, lights out for that set. Don't think a linesman at Oregon gives Stanford that call. With the crowd behind them Oregon should give a great account of themselves. Stanford, I believe, has played quite well in Eugene for awhile. Oregon did outplay Stanford decisively for a set and a half, at least.
I still believe Lutz's massive height contributes to errors simply by being there. Last night it appeared Oregon hitters were attempting to go over Lutz's blocking partners, and got stuffed or rejected a few times from poor choices.
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Post by tomclen on Oct 4, 2014 9:22:29 GMT -5
I didn't really watch this match. Had it on the TV, but was focused on the stream of UW/UCLA.
But every time I glanced at the TV, in the 1st set and the 4th, it looked like Oregon was really outplaying Stanford and had control of things. Obviously I was only seeing the UO highlights and missed the lowlights.
Wha'hoppened!?!
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 4, 2014 9:48:09 GMT -5
Her sets were way too low... It was impossible to tell how many of her sets were too low watching TV with high camera angle but it was obvious in a couple floor level replays. Regardless Scott and Ashen are really good setters so this really falls on Brenner. Her performance this match and this year has been beyond disappointing. McPeak said Moore said she's not jumping as high anymore which makes sense with the extra weight gained. I couldn't believe how many balls she tipped/free balled over when two years ago she hammered everything down. Sometime in the second or third set I saw Moore's wife look over at Moore after she got stuff blocked with a "what should we do" and Moore just shrugged a "don't know." Hate to admit it but think she should've been subbed out and Moore needs to consider finding a replacement at least for front row. Lutz is proportioned 'normally' unlike the other player(s) her height, only know one other on Arizona. She may just become USA's female Muserskiy and her offense alone should have her considered for the third MB spot in Rio. I think she has better hands than Dixon too. I don't think Moore would say Liz isn't jumping as high as she used to, what he would say (and which is undeniably true) is that Liz doesn't and has never jumped very high at all to begin with. She had a bad match, plain and simple.. She had some good serves but wasn't very strong passing (normally where she really excels) or in floor defense, and she hit zero. She will get blocked against Inky, but what was missing tonight were the strong tools. Credit to Stanford, obviously, for making it hard on her to score, but she needs to play up to her level in passing -- which I'm sure she will be even more motivated to do on Sunday. If she passes just marginally better, we have enough weapons this year that we can afford off nights from her offensively. Agost is our only viable front row sub and she's getting over a foot injury, so we didn't have many options (I think we might have seen her come in for Shebby early in Set 2 if available).
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Post by vbobserver on Oct 4, 2014 11:29:39 GMT -5
Being honest, Oregon doesn't have a better option on the bench for Brenner and suggesting there is is a ridiculous comment. I'm with C4ndlelight, she just had a tough match. Liz's style of play will always leave her open to arm chair coaching criticism, but she will figure this out. BTW, what an incredible Stanford team. The talent on that team can only be knocked for not having won it all yet. Beatable? Yes. Could Oregon beat them? With the wind at their backs, and only if Oregon played a super tight rotation, meaning there are some players getting time that are not even close to being at the same competitive level as this Stanford unit. IMHO. Nevertheless, it was a great environment last night and an entertaining match to watch. Go Ducks!
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