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Post by hammer on Oct 22, 2014 13:10:59 GMT -5
IIRC to be eligible for AA you have to make it onto a regional AA team, right? Well the "Pacific North" region might be something of a choke point, since two of the current undefeated teams are in there (#3 Washington and #1 Stanford) along with #11 Oregon and #6 Colorado State, plus Hawaii and OSU and a few other teams with some good candidates. Precisely....which is why west coast teams continue to have a disadvantage in All American selections. the Pac-12 must share their regional selections with the WCC/Big West/Mountain West schools... meanwhile conferences like the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 each literally get two regions TO THEMSELVES. IMO they should do away with all regional selections. They have a tradition at WVU that reminds me of what should be done to the Regional Selection process ...
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2014 13:46:29 GMT -5
Precisely....which is why west coast teams continue to have a disadvantage in All American selections. the Pac-12 must share their regional selections with the WCC/Big West/Mountain West schools... meanwhile conferences like the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 each literally get two regions TO THEMSELVES. IMO they should do away with all regional selections. They have a tradition at WVU that reminds me of what should be done to the Regional Selection process ... I mean what is the point of them anyway? We already have conference honors for more narrowed recognition among teams that actually play each other. What does an all region selection tell you that an all American selection wouldn't? For the players who actually are among the best, they will land on the All American team, and then it would be pretty apparent that they are also among the top players in their region too. The alignment actually used to be even worse, at least now they are spreading out the legit All American contenders among more regions. The Pacific North and South is even further exacerbated by the specialization. Each team HAS to have 5 Outside/Opposite Hitters, 3 Middle Blockers, 2 Setters, 1 Libero/Defensive Specialist, 3 At-Large Selections This doesn't leave much room for imagination in the Pac-12 North. Obvious selections: Vansant, OH Sybeldon, MB Bugg, S Ajanaku, MB Lutz, MB Brenner, OH Bettendorf, OPP Snider, MB Foss, S Marshall, OH Magill, MB Gilbert, L 2 of the at large selections are almost certainly going to MB's this season. With Oregon and Washington running a 6-2, Stanford and CSU's setters almost surely have the 2 setter spots wrapped up. Libero spot will probably go to Gilbert. And 4 of the 5 OH/OPP are accounted for. That leaves just 2 more spots (1 has to be an OH/OPP) on the team to go between players like Nelson or Scambray at UW, Burgess or Boukather at Stanford, one of the CSU OH's, maybe Benson, Holt at WSU, One of the Cal players, Savannah Blinn at Gonzaga... sucks to be in the Pac-12 North this year. And the Pac-12 South isn't much better with the 5 OH's already locked up with Lowe, Bricio, Gardner, Kingdon, and Simpson
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 22, 2014 13:55:09 GMT -5
They have a tradition at WVU that reminds me of what should be done to the Regional Selection process ... I mean what is the point of them anyway? We already have conference honors for more narrowed recognition among teams that actually play each other. What does an all region selection tell you that an all American selection wouldn't? For the players who actually are among the best, they will land on the All American team, and then it would be pretty apparent that they are also among the top players in their region too. The alignment actually used to be even worse, at least now they are spreading out the legit All American contenders among more regions. The Pacific North and South is even further exacerbated by the specialization. Each team HAS to have 5 Outside/Opposite Hitters, 3 Middle Blockers, 2 Setters, 1 Libero/Defensive Specialist, 3 At-Large Selections This doesn't leave much room for imagination in the Pac-12 North. Obvious selections: Vansant, OH Sybeldon, MB Bugg, S Ajanaku, MB Lutz, MB Brenner, OH Bettendorf, OPP Snider, MB Foss, S Marshall, OH Magill, MB Gilbert, L 2 of the at large selections are almost certainly going to MB's this season. With Oregon and Washington running a 6-2, Stanford and CSU's setters almost surely have the 2 setter spots wrapped up. Libero spot will probably go to Gilbert. And 4 of the 5 OH/OPP are accounted for. That leaves just 2 more spots (1 has to be an OH/OPP) on the team to go between players like Nelson or Scambray at UW, Burgess or Boukather at Stanford, one of the CSU OH's, maybe Benson, Holt at WSU, One of the Cal players... sucks to be in the Pac-12 North this year. And the Pac-12 South isn't much better with the 5 OH's already locked up with Lowe, Bricio, Gardner, Kingdon, and Simpson This is where the anti-freshman bias will come in, IMO. Lutz will get squished out of the MB slots and may have some trouble with someone like Boukather in the at-larges.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2014 14:05:44 GMT -5
I mean what is the point of them anyway? We already have conference honors for more narrowed recognition among teams that actually play each other. What does an all region selection tell you that an all American selection wouldn't? For the players who actually are among the best, they will land on the All American team, and then it would be pretty apparent that they are also among the top players in their region too. The alignment actually used to be even worse, at least now they are spreading out the legit All American contenders among more regions. The Pacific North and South is even further exacerbated by the specialization. Each team HAS to have 5 Outside/Opposite Hitters, 3 Middle Blockers, 2 Setters, 1 Libero/Defensive Specialist, 3 At-Large Selections This doesn't leave much room for imagination in the Pac-12 North. Obvious selections: Vansant, OH Sybeldon, MB Bugg, S Ajanaku, MB Lutz, MB Brenner, OH Bettendorf, OPP Snider, MB Foss, S Marshall, OH Magill, MB Gilbert, L 2 of the at large selections are almost certainly going to MB's this season. With Oregon and Washington running a 6-2, Stanford and CSU's setters almost surely have the 2 setter spots wrapped up. Libero spot will probably go to Gilbert. And 4 of the 5 OH/OPP are accounted for. That leaves just 2 more spots (1 has to be an OH/OPP) on the team to go between players like Nelson or Scambray at UW, Burgess or Boukather at Stanford, one of the CSU OH's, maybe Benson, Holt at WSU, One of the Cal players... sucks to be in the Pac-12 North this year. And the Pac-12 South isn't much better with the 5 OH's already locked up with Lowe, Bricio, Gardner, Kingdon, and Simpson This is where the anti-freshman bias will come in, IMO. Lutz will get squished out of the MB slots and may have some trouble with someone like Boukather in the at-larges. very possible
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 22, 2014 14:12:44 GMT -5
This is where the anti-freshman bias will come in, IMO. Lutz will get squished out of the MB slots and may have some trouble with someone like Boukather in the at-larges. very possible And Imo, this is the region where is MB dominant. You Have lutz, sybeldon, inky and Magill, all of which have All american potential. The pacific north and south regions are by the hardest for girls to become All Americans in. Take burgess. She had an AA season last year, but since you had girls like brenner, Vansant, and hartong on this region, she couldn't even make the all region team
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 22, 2014 14:54:22 GMT -5
IIRC to be eligible for AA you have to make it onto a regional AA team, right? Well the "Pacific North" region might be something of a choke point, since two of the current undefeated teams are in there (#3 Washington and #1 Stanford) along with #11 Oregon and #6 Colorado State, plus Hawaii and OSU and a few other teams with some good candidates. Pacific North All-Region Returnees (14 selections): Inky Ajanaku Stanford MB Liz Brenner Oregon OH* Adrianna Culbert CSU OPP* Deedra Foss CSU S Kyle Gilbert Stanford L Christina Higgins Cal OPP* Kaleigh Nelson UW OPP* Krista Vansant UW OH Honorable Mention Returnees (6 selections): Jordan Burgess Stanford OH Savannah Blinn Gonzaga OH Nikki Taylor Hawaii OH * Brenner, Culbert, Higgins, and Nelson have fallen off in offensive production (hitting% or kills/set) and might not repeat.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 22, 2014 15:01:40 GMT -5
The Pacific North and South is even further exacerbated by the specialization. Each team HAS to have 5 Outside/Opposite Hitters, 3 Middle Blockers, 2 Setters, 1 Libero/Defensive Specialist, 3 At-Large Selections They did choose two liberos last year: Gilbert and Orlandini, although Orlandini was likely one of the at-large picks. Might have bumped Burgess to honorable mention.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 22, 2014 15:32:39 GMT -5
This doesn't leave much room for imagination in the Pac-12 North. Obvious selections: Vansant, OH Sybeldon, MB Bugg, S Ajanaku, MB Lutz, MB Brenner, OH Bettendorf, OPP Snider, MB Foss, S Marshall, OH Magill, MB Gilbert, L [...] That leaves just 2 more spots (1 has to be an OH/OPP) on the team to go between players like Nelson or Scambray at UW, Burgess or Boukather at Stanford, one of the CSU OH's, maybe Benson, Holt at WSU, One of the Cal players... sucks to be in the Pac-12 North this year. I'd guess that Burgess is the most likely. In the past, they've shown a predilection to spread these somewhat around the region, so the last pick could go to a non-Pac-12 player. Brenner's production has fallen off this year, so is not a lock to repeat.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2014 15:33:24 GMT -5
The Pacific North and South is even further exacerbated by the specialization. Each team HAS to have 5 Outside/Opposite Hitters, 3 Middle Blockers, 2 Setters, 1 Libero/Defensive Specialist, 3 At-Large Selections They did choose two liberos last year: Gilbert and Orlandini, although Orlandini was likely one of the at-large picks. Might have bumped Burgess to honorable mention. with so many quality front row players this year, I don't think we'll see a second libero this year. Benson's stats really aren't that great even if she passes the eye test, and the other libero's on the top teams Washington/CSU, are certainly not All regional worthy.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2014 15:38:19 GMT -5
I forgot about Gonazaga. Savannah Blinn is putting up very quality numbers (over 5 points per set, .330%) she should be in solid contention for a spot.
It really is unfair to all the conferences in the Pacific leagues. almost all of these players would almost surely land on a regional team in pretty much every other region.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 22, 2014 15:39:47 GMT -5
This doesn't leave much room for imagination in the Pac-12 North. Obvious selections: Vansant, OH Sybeldon, MB Bugg, S Ajanaku, MB Lutz, MB Brenner, OH Bettendorf, OPP Snider, MB Foss, S Marshall, OH Magill, MB Gilbert, L [...] That leaves just 2 more spots (1 has to be an OH/OPP) on the team to go between players like Nelson or Scambray at UW, Burgess or Boukather at Stanford, one of the CSU OH's, maybe Benson, Holt at WSU, One of the Cal players... sucks to be in the Pac-12 North this year. I'd guess that Burgess is the most likely. In the past, they've shown a predilection to spread these somewhat around the region, so the last pick could go to a non-Pac-12 player. Brenner's production has fallen off this year, so is not a lock to repeat. I think her backcourt game will keep her in solid contention.
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Post by MTC on Oct 22, 2014 16:03:45 GMT -5
I wonder if Haleigh Washington, now hitting .472, will get any recognition since she started the season injured? Probably not. She missed to much. I guess you are right but she is the sparkplug, along with Hancock, for Penn State right now.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 22, 2014 16:13:42 GMT -5
I forgot about Gonazaga. Savannah Blinn is putting up very quality numbers (over 5 points per set, .330%) she should be in solid contention for a spot. It really is unfair to all the conferences in the Pacific leagues. almost all of these players would almost surely land on a regional team in pretty much every other region. well, there may be a bottle-neck of quality players in the pacific north this year, but overall the realignment of the AVCA regions last year favored the pac-12. it may be more accurate to say that the realignment is "unfair to all conferences in the pacific regions that are not the pac-12." last year, the pac-12 got 16 selections on the region teams between the pacific north and pacific south regions (not counting HM selections). that's a whole "region team" essentially that the pac-12 has all to itself, and then some. "unfair" may not be the best word ... a lot of quality players from the pac-12, of course. but the realignment certainly benefits the pac-12, as it splits the conference into different regions, which then opens the door to more pac-12 selections. and mid-majors and all other conferences getting fewer. incidentally, the realignment greatly favors the power conferences in general. the big-10, having less competition from other quality conferences in its regions, took up all spots in the north region, and all but 2 spots in the northeast region. that's 26 of 28 region selections! i'm not sure how this discrepancy is remedied, unless as someone mentioned already ... the AVCA moves away from it's current format for selecting its honorees.
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Post by azvb on Oct 22, 2014 16:16:27 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't coaches need to submit something? I remember Macy Gardner being left off an AA team (last year?), and the reason was her coach didn't get some paperwork in?
Just checked: Macy was left off the Region teams and by default, I guess, All-American teams. No other ASU players were listed on either team.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 22, 2014 16:25:25 GMT -5
I'd guess that Burgess is the most likely. In the past, they've shown a predilection to spread these somewhat around the region, so the last pick could go to a non-Pac-12 player. Brenner's production has fallen off this year, so is not a lock to repeat. I think her backcourt game will keep her in solid contention. Maybe not if it is between her and Burgess: Brenner: 2014: 3.09 k/s, .243, 3.28 dg/s, 0.19 bl/s 2013: 4.67 k/s, .239, 3.15 dg/s, 0.37 bl/s Burgess: 2014: 2.86 k/s, .257, 3.18 dg/s, 0.35 bl/s 2013: 2.76 k/s, .294, 2.82 dg/s, 0.46 bl/s Or they both get in, since their 2014 stats are very close.
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