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Post by gogophers on Oct 29, 2014 21:56:23 GMT -5
With transfer Cumpston playing an important role, Minn made the elite 8 in 2006. With transfer Carico playing a critical role, Minn made the ff in 2009. With transfers Knutsen and Palmer playing critical roles, Minn made the elite 8 in 2012. Transfers aren't a long term solution if the coaching staff can't recruit well, but they can very well be the answer short term. Minnesota has been fortunate. It's a roll of the dice, however. GENERALLY, kids who leave other programs are not the best answer. Generally. I don't know what the basis is for that statement. Sure, you can import a malcontent. But you can recruit them as well. Everything is a role of the dice. Kelsey Robinson was a role of the dice. Lauren Wincinski was a role of the dice. Taylor Morey was a role of the dice. When Tiffany Baker was looking for a new home a while back, I sure hoped she'd land in Minn. Why not? Even Tabi Love, who evidently wasn't the happiest of Gophers, played a major role, as a transfer, in shoring up the UCLA offense in its championship year, and in performing like an AA first teamer the next year. Even the peripateric Taylor Simpson, once she found her groove in the mountains, provided instrumental in turning around Colorado's program. I'm sure there must have been some instances, but I can't think of any instance offhand in which a team got worse when it was supposed to get better, because a transfer proved to be divisive.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 22:07:57 GMT -5
I can give you quite a few, if you are really interested. I'm probably not going to post them publicly, however.
It's not like you can go out and recruit these players. Tap her on the shoulder and say "Hey, how about transferring to Minnesota." Luck is a HUGE part of it.
There's plenty of categories besides these, but:
1) They are better than the team they are playing for and want to play for a better program. Upside is pretty high here. 2) They are top recruits who are struggling to find playing time for a top club. Danger! Danger! 3) They are top recruits who can't get along with the coaching staff they currently have. Awooooooga! 4) They are JC transfers. You don't see this as often as you used to. The ones who usually have an impact are probably ineligible. Some programs seem to get away with it anyhow, of course. 5) Minnesota kids who want to come home. The Gophers need to broaden their horizons.
Anyhow. I'm sure they'll explore all options. All I'm saying is that it's a shortcut. And it's a shortcut full of potential problems.
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 29, 2014 22:32:58 GMT -5
Yep. The rest of this season will be all about who can help next year. Not that they have a heck of a lot of options for 2015. Transfers are generally not the answer. Fact of the matter is, if the Gophers want to compete next year, they need 1, maybe 2 impact pin hitter transfers. Ideally Santana would be the OH2 and Wilhite as a 3rd OH/backup RS. If its any consolation, I believe Taylor Morgan can be very solid for us next season if she gets the chance in some sort of capacity. She is just freakishly athletic and talented. You can't teach that.
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Post by moody on Oct 29, 2014 22:45:44 GMT -5
she also didn't play most of last high school season nor this year's season and really hasn't played much club ball. If that's who you are hoping to come in and have an immediate impact you are quite desperate.
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Post by gogophers on Oct 29, 2014 23:00:28 GMT -5
No question that you, or Hugh in this case, can't just snap your fingers and make a top rate transfer magically appear. Yes, you have to be lucky to attract good transfers. All I'm saying is that if the cavalry should appear yonder over the hill, I wouldn't waive them off. Good transfers do appear on the horizon from time to time. Minn has gotten several and, more recently, went after Baker. Wisconsin snagged Kriskova. If you look at the examples I gave, and there are others who worked out fine, like Mari Hole for tOSU and even Balza and Quillico for PSU, I think you'll see a lot of teams whose success was significantly enhanced by transfers. In short, transfers are cool (as the kids say).
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 29, 2014 23:25:38 GMT -5
she also didn't play most of last high school season nor this year's season and really hasn't played much club ball. If that's who you are hoping to come in and have an immediate impact you are quite desperate. All true, (and the gophers are desperate), but she has played recently and had a nice match tonight against Sydney Hilley and Jenae Alderson's CPHS. She also has decent size at 6'0 and supreme natural ability and athleticism. With the combination of her power and jumping, I wouldn't be suprised if she was making an impact next year. She'll have a learning curve, but her attributes will make the transition to college a heckuva lot easier.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 8:23:46 GMT -5
Can she pass? Can she play volleyball in transition? Because if she can't, you just sprang a different leak.
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 30, 2014 9:07:48 GMT -5
Minnesota fans pretty much have to pin their hopes for next year on a new setter making everyone on the court better. (Meanwhile, it helps if, like me, you're also a fan of Gopher women's basketball. They're about to start their season and they're going to be terrific.) That, or Taylor Morgan makes great strides. I don't think the problem lies in the setting. They just don't have anyone to terminate. SSS won't solve that. In 2012, Wisconsin didn't really have anyone who could terminate. Chapman was at about 33% kill and hit .234, and Morales was at 25% and hit .082. In 2013, Chapman was at 36% kill and hit .259, Morales was at 35% and hit .182. Comparing 2011 to 2013 for Thompson, she went went up a couple points in kill% and from .274 to .323. A setter can make a difference in termination ability. That is about 7 more kills, or 7 less errors per every 40 swings, or approximately the amount of swings in one set.
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Post by Wiswell on Oct 30, 2014 10:18:09 GMT -5
I don't think the problem lies in the setting. They just don't have anyone to terminate. SSS won't solve that. In 2012, Wisconsin didn't really have anyone who could terminate. Chapman was at about 33% kill and hit .234, and Morales was at 25% and hit .082. In 2013, Chapman was at 36% kill and hit .259, Morales was at 35% and hit .182. Comparing 2011 to 2013 for Thompson, she went went up a couple points in kill% and from .274 to .323. A setter can make a difference in termination ability. That is about 7 more kills, or 7 less errors per every 40 swings, or approximately the amount of swings in one set. Thomas was a darn good setter during that time. I think you are missing the fact that the defense wasn't good enough to get her a decent pass. Yes, Carlini can probably do more with a 1 pass than Thomas, but she's also getting more good passes. You are also omitting the impact of the coaching change and its impact on training. Sheffield was as much a difference maker on Chapman and Morales's terminating ability as Carlini. With respect to Thompson specifically, in addition, I think she was playing hurt for much of the year, and by 2013 after her surgery was finally playing to her full potential. So in some, there are a lot of factors at play in their improvements. Setting, passing, coaching, maturing. (Ex. Chapman admitted late last year that at times in previous seasons she had "checked out.") I don't think problem here is setting either.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Oct 30, 2014 11:08:20 GMT -5
I do think SSS will be able to do more with a crap pass than the existing setters. I also think that she will be able to send more good sets to the hitters who are truly dependent on them. But to really maximize her potential, you need to shore up the passing OR you need to get hitters who can do more with less.
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Post by permagrin on Oct 30, 2014 12:13:36 GMT -5
there were some stretches last night where the setters were not having to move, so they are improving on that. it has to be consistent when your best 2 hitting options are your middles which is becoming more and more the case. i look forwaed to what SSS will do as well.
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 30, 2014 12:24:16 GMT -5
I do think SSS will be able to do more with a crap pass than the existing setters. I also think that she will be able to send more good sets to the hitters who are truly dependent on them. But to really maximize her potential, you need to shore up the passing OR you need to get hitters who can do more with less. Don't get me wrong, Sam is an awesome setter who clearly should be starting next season, but she really has to improve upon her in-game passing and defense to be a positive in that category at the college level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:12:55 GMT -5
SSS needs to pass? Man, that's going to be an interesting serve receive formation. Sure hope the refs aren't paying attention.
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Post by mnsports255 on Oct 30, 2014 17:47:51 GMT -5
SSS needs to pass? Man, that's going to be an interesting serve receive formation. Sure hope the refs aren't paying attention. No need to be jerk about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 17:53:45 GMT -5
Oh, I'm just getting started.
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