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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 13:48:06 GMT -5
Be really good at Data Volley!! I assume all of the Power 5 conference schools use Data Volley. But what percentage of the other D1 programs use Data Volley and what makes someone good at Data Volley? Is it the analysis and breakdown of the stats? Watching a game live and tracking every touch for both teams is not easy, especially when you are giving grades to each touch. As Not Me stated, you can't miss a key or the whole thing is off. There are some other things that make it complicated, such as knowing opponent's jersey numbers. Trying to see numbers on the other side of the court with a bunch of players in the way can get very frustrating. I'm not very familiar with Data Volley (and don't use it regularly as others here do), but that's what I've experienced.
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Post by bestkeptsecret on Oct 26, 2015 15:38:36 GMT -5
which programs have the best qualified people for this? and what is the learning curve for this?
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Post by vbcoach06 on Oct 26, 2015 18:40:02 GMT -5
which programs have the best qualified people for this? and what is the learning curve for this? The learning curve is very high. IMO, it takes a certain kind of person to be good at it and I don't know that just anyone can be proficient.
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Post by lesmizuno on Oct 27, 2015 2:22:29 GMT -5
I know that most D1 programs have an assistant coach or manager dedicated to Data Volley. That person is usually responsible for all operations regarding film and stats. After that it's up to how the head coach wants to use the information. You have a lot on your plate if you're responsible for all of that work.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 27, 2015 6:35:14 GMT -5
You're not on an island, Datavolley will train the staff on how to use it.
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Post by vbct3 on Oct 27, 2015 11:45:46 GMT -5
I found it silly to start a new thread/topic for this question. But what are some general characteristics, traits, skills, that assistant coaches need to have in order to be successful/beneficial to a staff? Joe Trinsey did a good podcast on being an assistant coach. You can find it here: volleycast.com/?p=203As for DataVolley, it's useful to have on your resume for sure. And yes, DataProject will send someone out to train your staff if requested and it fits within their schedule. But many of the best I've met over the last few years have learned by basically locking themselves in a room trying to figure it out armed with nothing but the ReadMe file. It takes a lot of hours and a lot of dedication to become really good at it - whether you have someone helping you along or not.
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Post by rogero1 on Oct 27, 2015 14:28:37 GMT -5
Just because you are a Data Volley expert does not automatically get you a Division I assistant job. I know of a former student assistant at a B1G school who had several years of DV experience and could not get a look for a DI job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 14:38:59 GMT -5
The old saying is often true: "It's not what you know, it's who you know." It's hard to beat out people for jobs if they know people, are good at things like DV, have a reputable volleyball history, and are well-respected. As most on VT would likely agree, references play a very large part (or the biggest part) in getting jobs.
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Post by longtimereader on Oct 27, 2015 16:38:29 GMT -5
I found it silly to start a new thread/topic for this question. But what are some general characteristics, traits, skills, that assistant coaches need to have in order to be successful/beneficial to a staff? One of the best things that you can do to break into the college game would be to find a volunteer job with a staff that has good connections. Otherwise, you can look into mid-majors and smaller schools- regardless of level- to see if they have grad assistantships available. Best advice I can give if you are fortunate enough to land one of these positions with a good program and staff, is to attack the job like it's full-time and don't use your spot as a lesser paid or non-paid assistant determine your level of availability or investment. Best thing you can do is make yourself valuable and that leads to good things. And do camps...and network...etc.
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Post by vboldskool on Oct 28, 2015 9:06:14 GMT -5
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Post by spikeninja on Oct 28, 2015 20:33:37 GMT -5
Be really good at Data Volley!! True, I can verify for a fact. Coaches out there "married" to analytics with or without GMS influence put a lot, and I mean TOO MUCH value on people who code video. I value numbers, but they are not a substitute for coaching decisions, but a supplement. I find that the numbers reinforce what I see and are great for analysis of past events. But their ability to A) predict the future and B) get kids better is highly suspect. Sooner or later, instead of watching a computer, you have teach something. ANYONE can learn to code video. It's just repetition. That is not talent, its a skill. An acquired skill. However, as Doc Brown said, the future is not written or in this case measured. If you didn't get kids better, they are going to keep getting 1.42 kills/set and pass 1.88. Let me qualify this post....I USE STATS and have for years. I have valued them, and too much so. When you can't make a decision without making sure the numbers match your assessment, you are letting numbers substitute your decisions. So many times, athlete's have come in and destroyed what the numbers SAY they SHOULD produce. Because human beings are not machines. They change, they improve, they learn. They are not stuck in their programming and operations specs. Analytics are important, but not everything. The game is right in front of you, watch it. Learn from it. Teach it. That still works.
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Post by coachwpassion on Oct 29, 2015 17:01:57 GMT -5
If you are specified as the DOVO you will not coach. It's strictly film breakdown, travel arrangements, staff prep. Again, you will not coach.
If you are the 1st or 2nd assistant who also have film responsibilities you will do both. Prepare to work 60+ hrs per week with no true day off. Sunday/Monday is Film Day.
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Post by InTheKnow on Oct 29, 2015 18:11:49 GMT -5
And if you are thinking about what day off you have, coaching isn't for you.
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Post by bkedane on Oct 30, 2015 7:39:34 GMT -5
Be really good at Data Volley!! True, I can verify for a fact. Coaches out there "married" to analytics with or without GMS influence put a lot, and I mean TOO MUCH value on people who code video. I value numbers, but they are not a substitute for coaching decisions, but a supplement. I find that the numbers reinforce what I see and are great for analysis of past events. But their ability to A) predict the future and B) get kids better is highly suspect. Sooner or later, instead of watching a computer, you have teach something. ANYONE can learn to code video. It's just repetition. That is not talent, its a skill. An acquired skill. However, as Doc Brown said, the future is not written or in this case measured. If you didn't get kids better, they are going to keep getting 1.42 kills/set and pass 1.88. Let me qualify this post....I USE STATS and have for years. I have valued them, and too much so. When you can't make a decision without making sure the numbers match your assessment, you are letting numbers substitute your decisions. So many times, athlete's have come in and destroyed what the numbers SAY they SHOULD produce. Because human beings are not machines. They change, they improve, they learn. They are not stuck in their programming and operations specs. Analytics are important, but not everything. The game is right in front of you, watch it. Learn from it. Teach it. That still works. A commitment to "analytics" does not include an assumption that players are machines. It also does not involve ignoring that players learn and improve. Does any coach really think that players are machines and do not improve? What coach do you have in mind?
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Post by spikeninja on Oct 30, 2015 10:04:33 GMT -5
True, I can verify for a fact. Coaches out there "married" to analytics with or without GMS influence put a lot, and I mean TOO MUCH value on people who code video. I value numbers, but they are not a substitute for coaching decisions, but a supplement. I find that the numbers reinforce what I see and are great for analysis of past events. But their ability to A) predict the future and B) get kids better is highly suspect. Sooner or later, instead of watching a computer, you have teach something. ANYONE can learn to code video. It's just repetition. That is not talent, its a skill. An acquired skill. However, as Doc Brown said, the future is not written or in this case measured. If you didn't get kids better, they are going to keep getting 1.42 kills/set and pass 1.88. Let me qualify this post....I USE STATS and have for years. I have valued them, and too much so. When you can't make a decision without making sure the numbers match your assessment, you are letting numbers substitute your decisions. So many times, athlete's have come in and destroyed what the numbers SAY they SHOULD produce. Because human beings are not machines. They change, they improve, they learn. They are not stuck in their programming and operations specs. Analytics are important, but not everything. The game is right in front of you, watch it. Learn from it. Teach it. That still works. A commitment to "analytics" does not include an assumption that players are machines. It also does not involve ignoring that players learn and improve. Does any coach really think that players are machines and do not improve? What coach do you have in mind? No, it doesn't. I realize that. I know several coaches who believe players ARE WHO THE NUMBERS SAY THEY ARE. I also believe it is which numbers we look at that will allow us the best decisions. It's impossible to assess ALL the numbers. You can very easily overload yourself. I know I have. DV offers everything you could ask for, but a lot of times, the simplest numbers yield the best decisions. That is the subjectivity of coaching that is inescapable. The CHOICE of what to listen and what not to listen to. I don't make a decision because the numbers tell me to. I make a decision, then check numbers to see if there is weight supporting it. MOST (90%) of the time, it is congruent with what I am seeing. Sometimes I listen to the numbers, sometimes I don't. I used to follow them like a religion, and now realize that they do not perfectly predict outcome. Their true value is evaluating what has just happened, and our job as coaches is not just to make good decisions, but actually get kids better. Can't do that looking at a computer screen. There is a time to analyze. There is a time to assess what is important and what isn't. There is what people have been and what they can be if given the right teaching and training. There is the human element that numbers cannot predicts....is your best OH hitting .258 on the rocks with her boyfriend and impacting her performance. Is there a big midterm they are stressed about. Who knows? But nothing predicts the human element. And then there is the artform of teaching. Anyone who uses the numbers to guide them in problem areas still have to know how to teach. Just because you allocate time to a problem area, sorry Kessel, the game doesn't just get better by doing it more. You have to teach well too. That is not a YouTube thing. It's not data volley thing. It's a time, talent, and experience thing. Cannot learn that with keyboard strokes. So while I see the point the post, and agree that the trend right now favors that, I disagree that going with that trend is the right approach. DV and coding does not a good coach make. Get some grad student to learn that and feed you the numbers. Get as many smart volleyball people in the gym as you can, and your team and recruiting will improve, with the HELP of video and numbers. IMO. And again, I use analytics.
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