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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 17, 2014 23:37:31 GMT -5
Suprised at Kessy with Emily Day, but I'm not buying the pessimism on HAND SETTER and all-around great player Summer Ross. Tough year in many respects, but she, IMHO, is the REAL DEAL. 2015 will find her playing better than anyone other than the #1 Walsh/Ross...I think people don't realize what 21 to 22 years of age will bring to a premier player. Just want to check back in July to say "...I told you". In April I posted this on Walsh/Ross, though that wasn't much of a risk, but not everybody was on board: guest2: I think the way to approach this is how many events will they NOT WIN. LOL. Well, they are 1-0, limited field, I get it, BUT new team, Kerri probably STILL building strength from post-pregnancy, April still "learning the ropes". "Learning the ropes" you say? Well, I seriously doubt anyone would argue the difference in Jenn (LOVE her, but...) vs. Kerri in the sidelines chairs in timeouts PLUS the strategies a 4 time gold Olympian brings (Did I say 4? My bad, we're not even courtside at Copacabana yet ; - ) I don't think people "...seen nuthin' yet" when April and Kerri hit their stride...Out on a limb, but they aren't going to lose many.... Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/53796/14-wins-kerri-april#ixzz3JOLXIv50 |
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Post by socalplayer on Nov 18, 2014 3:53:38 GMT -5
Who will she play with?
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Post by guest2 on Nov 18, 2014 8:03:05 GMT -5
The trouble with Summer is her skills are already pretty strong (technically) but she lacks athleticism, rarely a problem in 21 year olds who later become great. Love to see her improve her foot speed and I hope she does well, but I am doubtful. Carico seems odd woman out for now. I would bet on half a season for Jen and Summer and then they fight over Lane, who seems most likely to improve a ton this year
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Post by klazk on Nov 18, 2014 8:27:21 GMT -5
I would bet on half a season for Jen and Summer and then they fight over Lane, who seems most likely to improve a ton this year Food for thought on partner switching during Olympic qualifying. Of the women's teams in 2012 that qualified as top 16 on the FIVB tour - 0 switched partners during the qualifying period. Of the men's teams in 2012 that qualifier as top 16 on the FIVB tour - 2 switched partners during qualifying. One of those (Nicolai/Lupo) took about a 4 event break and then came back together. The only team of the 32 that went to the Olympics with a different partner than they started the qualifying period with was Cunha/Ricardo of Brazil. Obviously only a one year sample, but a good indication that if you switch partners during qualifying, you are probably going to be hard pressed to get to the Olympics through the FIVB points Olympic Ranking. |
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Post by crawdaddy on Nov 18, 2014 9:25:30 GMT -5
The big winner so far in all this partner-switching is Fendrick-Sweat since I don't see either of these new teams competing with them. And guest2 is right that Carico seems odd person out. If points were not an issue, I'd like to see Lane and Dowdy play together.
Can someone help volleyjim out with his keyboard? It appears his CAPS LOCK and "quotation mark" keys sometimes get stuck.
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 18, 2014 22:45:11 GMT -5
klazak: Keeping it real!
crawfish: I used the compressed AIR to clean the "keyboard", so looks like all clear here....In verbal communication, according to Albert Mehrabian U.C.L.A., only 7% of messages is in THE WORDS spoken, so when I'm online, I "make up" for it . . . LOL . . .
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 18, 2014 23:47:17 GMT -5
Anyone recall who was served during the Summer/Day, days?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 19, 2014 0:01:45 GMT -5
Anyone recall who was served during the Summer/Day, days? Emily. But Summer also saw a fair number of serves - on the AVP, at least. Internationally, Day was targeted more. |
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 19, 2014 13:03:20 GMT -5
GLRA/M: Thats what I thought. I checked some video from Santa Barbara I took and yes, Day was the target. SO, with THIS, why would Kessy pull in Day v. S.Ross? Defense v. blocker?
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Post by klazk on Nov 19, 2014 15:19:49 GMT -5
More likely side I would think. Kessy plays right and Day plays left if I am not mistaken.
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 19, 2014 17:20:00 GMT -5
k: Yep, Day is left...makes most sense . . . Thanks!
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Post by Billy on Nov 21, 2014 22:41:04 GMT -5
Suprised at Kessy with Emily Day, but I'm not buying the pessimism on HAND SETTER and all-around great player Summer Ross. Tough year in many respects, but she, IMHO, is the REAL DEAL. 2015 will find her playing better than anyone other than the #1 Walsh/Ross...I think people don't realize what 21 to 22 years of age will bring to a premier player. Just want to check back in July to say "...I told you". In April I posted this on Walsh/Ross, though that wasn't much of a risk, but not everybody was on board: guest2: I think the way to approach this is how many events will they NOT WIN. LOL. Well, they are 1-0, limited field, I get it, BUT new team, Kerri probably STILL building strength from post-pregnancy, April still "learning the ropes". "Learning the ropes" you say? Well, I seriously doubt anyone would argue the difference in Jenn (LOVE her, but...) vs. Kerri in the sidelines chairs in timeouts PLUS the strategies a 4 time gold Olympian brings (Did I say 4? My bad, we're not even courtside at Copacabana yet ; - ) I don't think people "...seen nuthin' yet" when April and Kerri hit their stride...Out on a limb, but they aren't going to lose many.... Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/53796/14-wins-kerri-april#ixzz3JOLXIv50 |
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Post by Billy on Nov 21, 2014 22:49:20 GMT -5
Suprised at Kessy with Emily Day, but I'm not buying the pessimism on HAND SETTER and all-around great player Summer Ross. Tough year in many respects, but she, IMHO, is the REAL DEAL. 2015 will find her playing better than anyone other than the #1 Walsh/Ross...I think people don't realize what 21 to 22 years of age will bring to a premier player. Just want to check back in July to say "...I told you". In April I posted this on Walsh/Ross, though that wasn't much of a risk, but not everybody was on board: guest2: I think the way to approach this is how many events will they NOT WIN. LOL. Well, they are 1-0, limited field, I get it, BUT new team, Kerri probably STILL building strength from post-pregnancy, April still "learning the ropes". "Learning the ropes" you say? Well, I seriously doubt anyone would argue the difference in Jenn (LOVE her, but...) vs. Kerri in the sidelines chairs in timeouts PLUS the strategies a 4 time gold Olympian brings (Did I say 4? My bad, we're not even courtside at Copacabana yet ; - ) I don't think people "...seen nuthin' yet" when April and Kerri hit their stride...Out on a limb, but they aren't going to lose many.... Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/53796/14-wins-kerri-april#ixzz3JOLXIv50Jim, you seem quite impressed with hand setting. I too am a fan of great setters in the indoor game, while not up to speed on the subtleties of the beach game. In indoor the reasons to avoid bump setting are obvious, what are the benefits of hand setting in the beach game? The beach VB I have watched hand sets are just as slow tempo as bump sets or maybe I am missing something. I would love to know your opinion of the benefits of hand setting on the beach over a bump set. |
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Post by guest2 on Nov 22, 2014 9:04:16 GMT -5
Accuracy is the difference. A top hand setter can negate spin in a way that a top bump setter simply wont be able to do. In addition the wind makes much more precision necessary, also available to hand setters but not bump setters. There is a reason blind people dont read braille with their forearms, hands are a much more precise instrument.
The game and rules have changed a lot so many more players hand set now, but in the past the differences were very clear. For the perfect illustration of hand versus bump setting, watch Smith/Stoklos or Stoklos/Johnson matches. Even though Sinjin and AJ were two of the best ball control players in history, Randy had to deal with a lot more bad sets than either AJ or Sinjin. Another good comparison is to look at Brian Lewis when he played with Powers and Hov, versus when he played with Stoklos and Ak. The last great example is Hyden versus Rogers. Watch when Hyden/Scott were giving Phil/Todd a run that one season, and one of the main differences between those teams is Phil almost never had to worry about bad sets, whereas Sean Scott (already the weakest hitter of the four) often did. Switch Todd/John and play those matches again and rather than Phil/Todd winning 85-90 percent of them, I think its more like 75-80, with the main difference being Sean Scott hitting better sets
For some players, players who are just physically dominant like Steffes, Walsh, Lambert, Phil, a great set is not nearly as important, but for most players, having that set consistently in the right spot is probably worth 2-5 points per match.
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Post by volleyballjim on Nov 22, 2014 20:18:25 GMT -5
I think certain things elevate players above their peers, and hand setting is one. Its an advantage over bump setting. guest2 nailed it above and I "heard" from a beach player in Santa Cruz that there is a timing issue with the ball coming out of your shoulder area (hand set) vs. a lower position with the bump...makes sense... At every level its the culmulation of little things often that move you beyond your opponents, but I think hand setting is not little. Its a significant resource that SHOULD move you quite a bit ahead, all other things equal.
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