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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 22:18:31 GMT -5
I don't see how this team can make it through the season without a decent setter. I would hate to see both setters unable to play at some point next season (if injury would occur) and then the team resorts to the next best all around player having to set. I believe the days of the 5'7" setter and 5'10" hitters are gone. Gone? You have one of each, and you made the Final Four last season... Penn State swept Texas in the 2010 Final Four and won a title with a 5'6" setter. Your attackers couldn't abuse her block because she was a great athlete, had great timing as a blocker, and was solid fundamentally at the net. Lauren Cook and Lauren Plum were 5'8" and 5'9" First-Team All-American setters and neither is even CLOSE to the caliber of athlete that Collins is. Bre Payton was also a 5'8" All-American setter. Sims was a 5'10 All-American middle blocker. DeBruler, Mead, Henderson, Arslanbekova, Carico, Jensen, Rathje, Danielson, and Holthus were all 5'10" (or shorter) All-American attackers. The best setter in the world is 5'7". The best setter in the world before her was 5'1". Your beliefs are grounded in bias and ignorance, I'm afraid. Collins is very talented and makes Texas better. It's unfortunate that some of the most vocal Longhorn fans here are her biggest, most unfair critics. The ability to set, lead, and win has nothing to do with height. Any reasonably intelligent and experienced coach would tell you that.
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Post by elevationvb on May 1, 2015 22:56:43 GMT -5
Texas has Got to get a setter to help run the 6-2 next season. Collins will not be effective the tourney with the 5-1. Her blocking will be tooled by all the 6'4's all night long. Agreed. Collins is very athletic and is more than serviceable in a 6-2, but the past 2 seasons has demonstrated to Elliott that you are not going to win a national championship with a very short setter and short OH, especially on the same team. Texas is going to run into the wrong team - Wisconsin / BYU - at the wrong time. The pelc's of the world love to bring up Penn State's Carpenter. But Carpenter was an aberration - a talented short setter supported by superb talent - the perfect volleyball storm. What did Russ Rose do her junior and senior seasons? Elliott is demonstrating with who he is recruiting at the setting and OH positions the type of player he wants and needs to win the national championship. I am very optimistic with the direction he is taking the program.
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Post by tempesthorn on May 1, 2015 23:46:33 GMT -5
I believe the days of the 5'7" setter and 5'10" hitters are gone. Gone? You have one of each, and you made the Final Four last season... Penn State swept Texas in the 2010 Final Four and won a title with a 5'6" setter. Your attackers couldn't abuse her block because she was a great athlete, had great timing as a blocker, and was solid fundamentally at the net. Lauren Cook and Lauren Plum were 5'8" and 5'9" First-Team All-American setters and neither is even CLOSE to the caliber of athlete that Collins is. Bre Payton was also a 5'8" All-American setter. Sims was a 5'10 All-American middle blocker. DeBruler, Mead, Henderson, Arslanbekova, Carico, Jensen, Rathje, Danielson, and Holthus were all 5'10" (or shorter) All-American attackers. The best setter in the world is 5'7". The best setter in the world before her was 5'1". Your beliefs are grounded in bias and ignorance, I'm afraid. Collins is very talented and makes Texas better. It's unfortunate that some of the most vocal Longhorn fans here are her biggest, most unfair critics. The ability to set, lead, and win has nothing to do with height. Any reasonably intelligent and experienced coach would tell you that. I fell down this rabbit hole, please be advised arguing with an idiot like this one is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how intelligent and experienced you might be the idiot bird will just %*$# all over the board and strut around like it won anyways.
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Post by elevationvb on May 2, 2015 0:00:02 GMT -5
Gone? You have one of each, and you made the Final Four last season... Penn State swept Texas in the 2010 Final Four and won a title with a 5'6" setter. Your attackers couldn't abuse her block because she was a great athlete, had great timing as a blocker, and was solid fundamentally at the net. Lauren Cook and Lauren Plum were 5'8" and 5'9" First-Team All-American setters and neither is even CLOSE to the caliber of athlete that Collins is. Bre Payton was also a 5'8" All-American setter. Sims was a 5'10 All-American middle blocker. DeBruler, Mead, Henderson, Arslanbekova, Carico, Jensen, Rathje, Danielson, and Holthus were all 5'10" (or shorter) All-American attackers. The best setter in the world is 5'7". The best setter in the world before her was 5'1". Your beliefs are grounded in bias and ignorance, I'm afraid. Collins is very talented and makes Texas better. It's unfortunate that some of the most vocal Longhorn fans here are her biggest, most unfair critics. The ability to set, lead, and win has nothing to do with height. Any reasonably intelligent and experienced coach would tell you that. I fell down this rabbit hole, please be advised arguing with an idiot like this one is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how intelligent and experienced you might be the idiot bird will just %*$# all over the board and strut around like it won anyways. Feel better?
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 2, 2015 1:39:21 GMT -5
Texas has Got to get a setter to help run the 6-2 next season. Collins will not be effective the tourney with the 5-1. Her blocking will be tooled by all the 6'4's all night long. Agreed. Collins is very athletic and is more than serviceable in a 6-2, but the past 2 seasons has demonstrated to Elliott that you are not going to win a national championship with a very short setter and short OH, especially on the same team. Texas is going to run into the wrong team - Wisconsin / BYU - at the wrong time. The pelc's of the world love to bring up Penn State's Carpenter. But Carpenter was an aberration - a talented short setter supported by superb talent - the perfect volleyball storm. What did Russ Rose do her junior and senior seasons? Elliott is demonstrating with who he is recruiting at the setting and OH positions the type of player he wants and needs to win the national championship. I am very optimistic with the direction he is taking the program. Having short players is not even close to the reason we have lost in the tournament the past 2 years
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 2, 2015 1:48:53 GMT -5
Ebony would make Texas somewhat better, as she will upgrade whichever position she plays, but to become SUBSTANTIALLY better as a team Texas needs someone to push Neal out of the outside position - and I don't think they have (or are getting) that player yet.
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 2, 2015 1:53:31 GMT -5
Ebony would make Texas somewhat better, as she will upgrade whichever position she plays, but to become SUBSTANTIALLY better as a team Texas needs someone to push Neal out of the outside position - and I don't think they have (or are getting) that player yet. Agreed. I think that player is either a healthy Dalton or Abby Buckingham in 2016.
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Post by Sbilo on May 2, 2015 2:55:37 GMT -5
I agree with candlelight. Ebony would sure make Texas a better team (and more unbeatable I would say) but she's not the answer to their pressing needs. Imagine a setter as good as Carlini (sorry can't help) and an incoming OH as good as Hayley Hodson. Man, Texas would be undefeated.
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Post by texasex01 on May 2, 2015 6:23:46 GMT -5
Ebony would make Texas somewhat better, as she will upgrade whichever position she plays, but to become SUBSTANTIALLY better as a team Texas needs someone to push Neal out of the outside position - and I don't think they have (or are getting) that player yet. I completely agree with this statement. I don't want to turn this into an Amy Neal bashing thread, but adding her to the starting line-up and having to rely on her ball control has made Texas' passing worse since the 2012 Championship team. I remember reading quotes from coaches (I believe OU's Restrepo) saying they specifically target Neal on serve-receive to get Texas out-of-system. I'm hoping Micaya White can come in and push Neal out of her spot and then have one of the incoming DS's (Gilbert or Beard) play in the back row for her....but I doubt that's going to happen.
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Post by chisovnik on May 2, 2015 6:37:02 GMT -5
Texas has Got to get a setter to help run the 6-2 next season. Collins will not be effective the tourney with the 5-1. Her blocking will be tooled by all the 6'4's all night long. Agreed. Collins is very athletic and is more than serviceable in a 6-2, but the past 2 seasons has demonstrated to Elliott that you are not going to win a national championship with a very short setter and short OH, especially on the same team. Texas is going to run into the wrong team - Wisconsin / BYU - at the wrong time. The pelc's of the world love to bring up Penn State's Carpenter. But Carpenter was an aberration - a talented short setter supported by superb talent - the perfect volleyball storm. What did Russ Rose do her junior and senior seasons? Elliott is demonstrating with who he is recruiting at the setting and OH positions the type of player he wants and needs to win the national championship. I am very optimistic with the direction he is taking the program. What about Lo Bianco? Take%*$#a? Tomkom? Fofao? Berg? Ah Mow-Santos? Are they aberrations as well?
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Post by elevationvb on May 2, 2015 8:16:55 GMT -5
Agreed. Collins is very athletic and is more than serviceable in a 6-2, but the past 2 seasons has demonstrated to Elliott that you are not going to win a national championship with a very short setter and short OH, especially on the same team. Texas is going to run into the wrong team - Wisconsin / BYU - at the wrong time. The pelc's of the world love to bring up Penn State's Carpenter. But Carpenter was an aberration - a talented short setter supported by superb talent - the perfect volleyball storm. What did Russ Rose do her junior and senior seasons? Elliott is demonstrating with who he is recruiting at the setting and OH positions the type of player he wants and needs to win the national championship. I am very optimistic with the direction he is taking the program. Having short players is not even close to the reason we have lost in the tournament the past 2 years Big picture Longhorn20, big picture.
People can become all aggie like and get offended when I dare to talk about Collins and Neal's volleyball height as it relates to performance on the court and the development of the program. I have never questioned the effort & contributions these players bring to the program and our university. I think Amy Neal is the hardest working player on the team - just look at her serving during the spring season. It's obvious how hard she's been working on this 1 aspect of her game since December. This kid is a smart volleyball player but her height is what it is for a major division 1 program like Texas. The same goes for Collins.
But match-ups matter when they matter most.
It's not a coincidence what Elliott is going after in his future classes. He wants to win more national championships like a Russ Rose. That's a great thing.
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 2, 2015 8:22:50 GMT -5
Ebony would make Texas somewhat better, as she will upgrade whichever position she plays, but to become SUBSTANTIALLY better as a team Texas needs someone to push Neal out of the outside position - and I don't think they have (or are getting) that player yet. I completely agree with this statement. I don't want to turn this into an Amy Neal bashing thread, but adding her to the starting line-up and having to rely on her ball control has made Texas' passing worse since the 2012 Championship team. I remember reading quotes from coaches (I believe OU's Restrepo) saying they specifically target Neal on serve-receive to get Texas out-of-system. I'm hoping Micaya White can come in and push Neal out of her spot and then have one of the incoming DS's (Gilbert or Beard) play in the back row for her....but I doubt that's going to happen. I agree!! Except I hope Dalton will be the DS because of her ball control ability. Remember the difference she made when we DS'ed Eckerman with her in the tourney in 2012?
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 2, 2015 8:26:51 GMT -5
Having short players is not even close to the reason we have lost in the tournament the past 2 years Big picture Longhorn20, big picture.
People can become all aggie like and get offended when I dare to talk about Collins and Neal's volleyball height as it relates to performance on the court and the development of the program. I have never questioned the effort & contributions these players bring to the program and our university. I think Amy Neal is the hardest working player on the team - just look at her serving during the spring season. It's obvious how hard she's been working on this 1 aspect of her game since December. This kid is a smart volleyball player but her height is what it is for a major division 1 program like Texas. The same goes for Collins.
But match-ups matter when they matter most.
It's not a coincidence what Elliott is going after in his future classes. He wants to win more national championships like a Russ Rose. That's a great thing.I get what you're saying. But I think a lot of what we're saying wouldn't be as big a deal if she was a better passer. Washington never complained this much when Strickland was an outside because she actually passed well even though she was a 5'8" hitter. I honestly think we win the NC again in '13 if Dalton was healthy.
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Post by elevationvb on May 2, 2015 9:12:04 GMT -5
Big picture Longhorn20, big picture.
People can become all aggie like and get offended when I dare to talk about Collins and Neal's volleyball height as it relates to performance on the court and the development of the program. I have never questioned the effort & contributions these players bring to the program and our university. I think Amy Neal is the hardest working player on the team - just look at her serving during the spring season. It's obvious how hard she's been working on this 1 aspect of her game since December. This kid is a smart volleyball player but her height is what it is for a major division 1 program like Texas. The same goes for Collins.
But match-ups matter when they matter most.
It's not a coincidence what Elliott is going after in his future classes. He wants to win more national championships like a Russ Rose. That's a great thing. I get what you're saying. But I think a lot of what we're saying wouldn't be as big a deal if she was a better passer. Washington never complained this much when Strickland was an outside because she actually passed well even though she was a 5'8" hitter. I honestly think we win the NC again in '13 if Dalton was healthy. Yes, Strickland is a good example. But what did her coaching staff do with her when they found the OH they wanted? They moved her to libero. She, like Amy in my opinion, played OH out of necessity. That doesn't mean Strickland or Neal didn't contribute. Same goes for Carpenter that others love to cite as an example. Russ Rose never intended for her to be his program's setter. Where did she play as a freshman? If I remember correctly, she only became the setter the national championship season because the heir to Glass as setter transferred or didn't workout? After the national championship season, she was moved to DS because Rose found the setter (Hancock) that he was looking for. Like Collins, Carpenter was very athletic and more than serviceable as a setter. But the difference between then and now is Carpenter had an outstanding group of players behind her. Texas going into '15 is in transition. As always, a lot of talent, but young inexperienced talent coming into key positions. If they exceed expectations, '15 can be a very good season, but '16 and beyond should be national championship caliber.
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Post by Longhorn20 on May 2, 2015 9:27:47 GMT -5
I get what you're saying. But I think a lot of what we're saying wouldn't be as big a deal if she was a better passer. Washington never complained this much when Strickland was an outside because she actually passed well even though she was a 5'8" hitter. I honestly think we win the NC again in '13 if Dalton was healthy. Yes, Strickland is a good example. But what did her coaching staff do with her when they found the OH they wanted? They moved her to libero. She, like Amy in my opinion, played OH out of necessity. That doesn't mean Strickland or Neal didn't contribute. Same goes for Carpenter that others love to cite as an example. Russ Rose never intended for her to be his program's setter. Where did she play as a freshman? If I remember correctly, she only became the setter the national championship season because the heir to Glass as setter transferred or didn't workout? After the national championship season, she was moved to DS because Rose found the setter (Hancock) that he was looking for. Like Collins, Carpenter was very athletic and more than serviceable as a setter. But the difference between then and now is Carpenter had an outstanding group of players behind her. Texas going into '15 is in transition. As always, a lot of talent, but young inexperienced talent coming into key positions. If they exceed expectations, '15 can be a very good season, but '16 and beyond should be national championship caliber. I think we are arguing about the same thing! I agree with you! I think Elliott has done a fantastic job recruiting the kinds of players Texas needs over the next few classes. 2016 and 2017 are incredibly strong recruiting classes. Unfortunately, I wish we had a couple of those players now
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