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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 22, 2014 21:25:54 GMT -5
Everybody loves Vegas, just saying..... I wish this would be a dream come true. In any case I am not sure what the ideal city for the Final Four is? I wouldn't mind seeing Denver thrown in the mix. I would love to see the convention go to SLC haha Olmstead and BYU fans may have sold out the arena.
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Post by mavericks on Dec 22, 2014 21:34:55 GMT -5
What about Cali?
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 22, 2014 21:45:53 GMT -5
In this case you can't blame the NCAA. These are the cities that submitted bids... Women's Volleyball I United Center Chicago IL Loyola Chicago/Chicago Sports Commission Women's Volleyball I CONSOL Energy Center Pittsburgh PA Penn State Women's Volleyball I Nationwide Arena Columbus OH Ohio State/Columbus Sports Commission Women's Volleyball I KFC YUM! Center Louisville KY Louisville/Louisville Sports Commission Women's Volleyball I Target Center Minneapolis MN Minnesota Women's Volleyball I Sprint Center Kansas City MO UMKC/Kansas City Sports Commission Women's Volleyball I Century Link Center Omaha NE Nebraska If somebody has the ear of a convention and visitors bureau employee who is wearing shorts to work this week please send them to this website ncaabids.azurewebsites.net/
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Post by canda on Dec 22, 2014 22:07:34 GMT -5
Volleyball attendees are not the high-rollers the football teams draw for their bowl games. It's mostly families, and people with moderate incomes (I'm saying for the most part).
You want a medium-sized, manageable, moderately priced city, where the Volleyball tournament is the big news. You want a family atmosphere. Omaha is the perfect type of place. Although Austin would be a fun city to have it. On the bigger side, think St. Louis, Pittsburgh or Indianapolis.
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Post by hebrooks87 on Dec 22, 2014 22:07:59 GMT -5
I'm cringing at the sites the next few years...Oklahoma City, Omaha, Columbus, Kansas City. Obviously Nebraska draws the crowds but, honestly, are these cities anyone really wants to go to, especially during the holidays?... ummm no. Omaha and Kansas City have great potential.
OKC was a big mistake. NCAA decision makers must have been impressed with OKC hosting the college softball world series and other baseball related events.
OKC's never hosted an NCAA baseball event. Norman has, but that's on campus. OKC's (with the Big XII as the host) have done DI and DII softball, wrestling, and several basketball regionals and, I think, gymnastics.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 22, 2014 22:12:26 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys are talking about with the lack of restaurants. All you have to do is go over to Bricktown, there is plenty of restaurants and plenty of choices that pretty good too, so you just didn't try very hard.
As for the convention center and all that, there's certain kind contractual things that they have to meet.
First the NCAA has to approve of the facility for the championship. It has to hold a certain number of people, it has to have certain number of locker rooms, it has to have certain amenities for media and all that. Second the convention center is another big part of it has to hold the exhibition that has to have enough square footage to hold 2 courts now 3 court and sand court so that's not trivial. It also has to hold a certain number of exhibitors and so on in order to make a profit. Third there are certain amount of food and beverage requirements that all convention centers have and how much they charge for those food and beverages in a meeting such as the convention. it's kind of straightforward because we have two banquets and the Spalding party and some of the opening reception stuff but it still cost money. Food and beverage cost is tied to how much the conviction pays to use the conference center and the arena so if they give you the convention center and the arena for a certain price they expect you to spend a certain amount of money on food and beverage and they expect you to bring in a certain number of room nights at the designated conference hotels, I.e. The hotels have promised a certain amount of kickback to the CVB and the AVCA. Kind of like Stay and Play.
When all of those considerations are added together and the final numbers are put together that's when they decide on which convention city to go to. But I suspect that they're not looking at the top-tier cities obviously and I think they are going to the second and third tier cities because of the cost. Remember that the convention profits: registration, exhibitors cost, probably some of the gate at the final four, hotel kickbacks, discounts from the convention center, pays for 40% of the yearly budget of the AVCA.
One more consideration is geography. I personally enjoyed Seattle, a lot, but I know people missed last year because it took a long time to get to Seattle from the East coast, all the while traveling so close to the holidays. Hence the final fours in the Midwest.
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2014 22:16:40 GMT -5
Do they post registration figures for the convention? I wonder if Seattle had significantly fewer coaches than Louisville and OKC.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 22, 2014 22:19:27 GMT -5
I think you could ask the Avca. Might as well return the numbers for the last five years.
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Post by bc2016 on Dec 22, 2014 22:24:28 GMT -5
Columbus is the most ready out of any but what is with all of these midwest sites in a row? cheap, location, cheap, location, cheap, location, cheap, location....oh did I mention, cheap and location? Also, Omaha will also sell out, assuming the team makes the final four, which they are going on year 7 of NOT doing it, so, well, yeah. It's kind of like why is Iowa State and Louisville hosting a regional this year, and next year Northern Iowa and Kentucky (who just hosted last year) hosting a regional, both are essentially suburbs of each other...cheap and location. and since we are talking about Kentucky...a regional or final four has been in the state of Kentucky for 5 STRAIGHT YEARS, vomit. Where are the regionals in '15 and '16? Thanks.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 22:25:19 GMT -5
Omaha and Kansas City have great potential.
OKC was a big mistake. NCAA decision makers must have been impressed with OKC hosting the college softball world series and other baseball related events.
OKC's never hosted an NCAA baseball event. Norman has, but that's on campus. OKC's (with the Big XII as the host) have done DI and DII softball, wrestling, and several basketball regionals and, I think, gymnastics. Yes, I was referring to the NCAA maybe being impressed with the Big 12 baseball conference tournament held in OKC. Thanks.
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Post by n00b on Dec 22, 2014 22:29:00 GMT -5
cheap, location, cheap, location, cheap, location, cheap, location....oh did I mention, cheap and location? Also, Omaha will also sell out, assuming the team makes the final four, which they are going on year 7 of NOT doing it, so, well, yeah. It's kind of like why is Iowa State and Louisville hosting a regional this year, and next year Northern Iowa and Kentucky (who just hosted last year) hosting a regional, both are essentially suburbs of each other...cheap and location. and since we are talking about Kentucky...a regional or final four has been in the state of Kentucky for 5 STRAIGHT YEARS, vomit. Where are the regionals in '15 and '16? Thanks. 2015 is at Texas, Northern Iowa, Kentucky and San Diego. I don't believe 2016 has been announced yet.
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Post by bc2016 on Dec 22, 2014 22:30:41 GMT -5
Thanks much.
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Post by hebrooks87 on Dec 22, 2014 22:36:13 GMT -5
Here's a couple of stories on AVCA from the associations trade groups that discuss strategies from the last several years on growing AVCA. www.avca.org/includes/media/docs/AVCA-Cover-Story.pdfassociationsinternational.com/Clients/SuccessStory.aspx?Assoc=AVCAAttendance looks like it was ~2000 in 2009, so the meeting fits in moderate-sized facilities (e.g., not like the American Geophysical Union that always meets in December in San Francisco with more than 10K attendees). I also wonder how much the NCAA takes the AVCA (and, to a much lesser extent), PAVO into consideration. One that that OKC had going for it was that the competition facility was across the street from the convention center.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 22, 2014 22:37:56 GMT -5
OKC is not that bad you guys, you just don't know where to go. It would be nice to have it in bigger/unique cities though. Seattle was great last year. How about LA, Portland, Dallas, Las Vegas, NYC, Miami, etc?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 22, 2014 22:41:10 GMT -5
When all of those considerations are added together and the final numbers are put together that's when they decide on which convention city to go to. But I suspect that they're not looking at the top-tier cities obviously and I think they are going to the second and third tier cities because of the cost. Remember that the convention profits: registration, exhibitors cost, probably some of the gate at the final four, hotel kickbacks, discounts from the convention center, pays for 40% of the yearly budget of the AVCA. One more consideration is geography. I personally enjoyed Seattle, a lot, but I know people missed last year because it took a long time to get to Seattle from the East coast, all the while traveling so close to the holidays. Hence the final fours in the Midwest. I happen to think Seattle is a "top-tier" city. I mean, it's not London or Tokyo or New York, but it's not frickin' Oklahoma City, either.
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