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Post by tomclen on Dec 24, 2014 10:41:35 GMT -5
"Hmmpf, not only do these jackasses know nothing about volleyball, but they don't know the first thing about ice cream."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 10:42:08 GMT -5
Columbus has the world's greatest ice cream at Jeni's. When people say things like that, I can only assume they have never been to Italy. I have to say, though, I'm making some pretty awesome gelato in my own kitchen these days. My current favorite is made with non-homogenized whole milk and cream (makes a difference), duck egg yolks (makes a difference), wildflower honey (makes a difference), and a small splash of Scotch (adds some really interesting complex flavors). Does the "splash" of scotch go in the ice cream, or you (or both)? Do you have next day delivery?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 12:31:36 GMT -5
Columbus has the world's greatest ice cream at Jeni's. When people say things like that, I can only assume they have never been to Italy. I have to say, though, I'm making some pretty awesome gelato in my own kitchen these days. My current favorite is made with non-homogenized whole milk and cream (makes a difference), duck egg yolks (makes a difference), wildflower honey (makes a difference), and a small splash of Scotch (adds some really interesting complex flavors). 1 - The best American ice cream is Whitey's in the Quad Cities (IL/IA) 2 - You are 100% spot on with Italian ice cream and gelato. If you can't make it to Italy, you make sure to find Italian-owned places elsewhere in Europe.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 24, 2014 13:07:02 GMT -5
Actually, I have been to Italy. I can only assume you have never been to Jeni's. That's true, you have me there. (I have been to Graeter's.) Where did you have ice cream (or gelato) in Italy? I've had it multiple places in Napoli and in Firenze, and it was better in Firenze. Gelato is not ice cream. Neither is custard. OK, now the last part of that is just misguided. Yes, you can make an ice cream without first making a custard, but that's just not how you make a good ice cream. To make a good ice cream, you make a custard as the base. (Of course this is an opinion, but what do you expect?) As for gelato not being ice cream, well, yes and no. They are clearly the same family. The main differences have to do with what percentage of fat, sugar, and egg is included. (Also the temperature it is typically served at.) Same family, correct. But gelato, ice cream, and frozen custard all have different recipes and different consitencies, and they do taste different. Don't try to throw down with us Dairy Staters on frozen dairy desserts. And I agree with you that Firenze has the best gelato. I gelato-ed in Roma, Firenze, and Veneto. Firenze all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 17:06:49 GMT -5
That's true, you have me there. (I have been to Graeter's.) Where did you have ice cream (or gelato) in Italy? I've had it multiple places in Napoli and in Firenze, and it was better in Firenze. OK, now the last part of that is just misguided. Yes, you can make an ice cream without first making a custard, but that's just not how you make a good ice cream. To make a good ice cream, you make a custard as the base. (Of course this is an opinion, but what do you expect?) As for gelato not being ice cream, well, yes and no. They are clearly the same family. The main differences have to do with what percentage of fat, sugar, and egg is included. (Also the temperature it is typically served at.) Same family, correct. But gelato, ice cream, and frozen custard all have different recipes and different consitencies, and they do taste different. Don't try to throw down with us Dairy Staters on frozen dairy desserts. And I agree with you that Firenze has the best gelato. I gelato-ed in Roma, Firenze, and Veneto. Firenze all the way. Is that a frenzied endorsement?
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Post by psumaui on Dec 24, 2014 17:08:50 GMT -5
I vote to bring it back to Honolulu at the SSC in 2017 or 18. They had it here in 1999. Warm weather and plenty to do when not watching volleyball!
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 24, 2014 23:27:33 GMT -5
I vote to bring it back to Honolulu at the SSC in 2017 or 18. They had it here in 1999. Warm weather and plenty to do when not watching volleyball! It will never be in Hawaii again.
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Post by psumaui on Dec 24, 2014 23:33:59 GMT -5
I vote to bring it back to Honolulu at the SSC in 2017 or 18. They had it here in 1999. Warm weather and plenty to do when not watching volleyball! It will never be in Hawaii again. Guess you have some kind of inside information on this? Never is a long time!
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 24, 2014 23:45:16 GMT -5
It will never be in Hawaii again. Guess you have some kind of inside information on this? Never is a long time! Considering the AVCA mission to grow membership and have the convention be a destination for club, high school, and college coaches, HawIi is just not feasible.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 25, 2014 0:20:56 GMT -5
It will never be in Hawaii again. Guess you have some kind of inside information on this? Never is a long time! You don't need any "inside information." All you have to do is realize that there are no arenas big enough for the Final Four anywhere on the islands.
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Post by psumaui on Dec 25, 2014 0:57:24 GMT -5
Guess you have some kind of inside information on this? Never is a long time! You don't need any "inside information." All you have to do is realize that there are no arenas big enough for the Final Four anywhere on the islands. 1999 Final was played here. So what you are telling me is that 10,000 to 11,000 is not big enough? Also, there is a nice convention center nearby. There was just over 11,000 that attended this years Final match.
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 25, 2014 1:10:33 GMT -5
the bid spec is for a 10,000 seat arena, but doing the minimum isn't usually enough, I wouldn't think.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 25, 2014 2:40:08 GMT -5
10,000 to 11,000 capacity is certainly not enough. Even the somewhat disappointing turnout for Oklahoma City was over 11,000.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 25, 2014 8:42:25 GMT -5
Once again, the convention accounts for 40% of the AVCAs budget for the year. They need to make sure that all the membership can easily and economically attend the convention. The location is a major part of that formula.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Dec 28, 2014 20:36:52 GMT -5
I'd agree that there are more exciting options for host cities, but, come on, do you think people who were not already planning on attending are really planning a 4-day to week-long vacation around the VB Final Four due to the excitement of the host city? This is happening in the middle of the holiday season and people who are traveling for the holidays already have the expense of their normal holiday travel. Are families tacking on another legit vacation centered on the Final Four based on the amenities of the host-city? I'd doubt it. I'd think the vast majority of attendees are hardcore volleyball fans and of that group there are (1) the ones that will go no matter where it is held, and (2) those that will go if it is close enough and cheap enough. Great city amenities (shopping, dining, nightlife, cultural, etc.) are merely a bonus, not a deciding factor for most, IMO.
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