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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 9, 2015 23:47:24 GMT -5
Because they havent worked very hard, had much success, and did not have an exceptional coach, or at least one who had enough drive everyday to be exceptional. As great a draw as Jmac is, he isnt as great a draw as ND the institution, but the combination is incredibly attractive. Name the number of schools that right now are as strong in ALL these areas? Some are stronger in some areas, but in terms of having all of these things, the list is very, very, very small, and UW is also probably not on that list of having ALL of those things, Nebraska certainly isnt. Great academics Great reputation prestige in degree great campus great athletics great regional recruiting base ability to recruit nationally unlimited resources great coach I totally understand what you're saying, but I don't think any of those are applicable for the recruits that want the volleyball tradition of Nebraska, Penn State, Texas or Stanford and follow in the footsteps of its alumni. Or what if the recruit wants to be in the national spotlight or play tough competition in conferences like the B1G or Pac-12? It seems like the trend in volleyball is that in order to be the best (or be seen as the best), you have to defeat the best, which is why people feel the "rich get richer and poor get poorer" in volleyball. Is it possible JMac may have been able to do what he did at Washington because it was a Pac school that gave athletes who wanted to play in the Pac the opportunities to upset legendary programs like USC, Stanford and UCLA on a weekly basis, which was able to catch national attention, which put the team higher in the polls, which attracted better recruits? In order for JMac to get the ball rolling, which teams in the ACC will he have to defeat year after year that will catapult ND to a top 5 ranking? Or will ND be another program like Hawaii or Texas that almost gets to coast through their conference schedules and rise in the polls because the B1G and Pac-12 are beating each other up? If that's the case, JMac better start scheduling tough preseason matches, which has been one of his criticisms of not doing over the years, or pray that Florida State, UNC, and Duke don't fade back into the darkness anytime soon. You're a dumbass. If you think that JMac will not be able to bring quality recruits to Notre Dame, you are mistaken. Dorothymantooth is spot on in his comments above.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 9, 2015 23:50:17 GMT -5
I totally understand what you're saying, but I don't think any of those are applicable for the recruits that want the volleyball tradition of Nebraska, Penn State, Texas or Stanford and follow in the footsteps of its alumni. Or what if the recruit wants to be in the national spotlight or play tough competition in conferences like the B1G or Pac-12? It seems like the trend in volleyball is that in order to be the best (or be seen as the best), you have to defeat the best, which is why people feel the "rich get richer and poor get poorer" in volleyball. Is it possible JMac may have been able to do what he did at Washington because it was a Pac school that gave athletes who wanted to play in the Pac the opportunities to upset legendary programs like USC, Stanford and UCLA on a weekly basis, which was able to catch national attention, which put the team higher in the polls, which attracted better recruits? In order for JMac to get the ball rolling, which teams in the ACC will he have to defeat year after year that will catapult ND to a top 5 ranking? Or will ND be another program like Hawaii or Texas that almost gets to coast through their conference schedules and rise in the polls because the B1G and Pac-12 are beating each other up? If that's the case, JMac better start scheduling tough preseason matches, which has been one of his criticisms of not doing over the years, or pray that Florida State, UNC, and Duke don't fade back into the darkness anytime soon. You're a dumbass. If you think that JMac will not be able to bring quality recruits to Notre Dame, you are mistaken. Dorothymantooth is spot on in his comments above. I was secretly hoping he would take the Hawaii job when it opened, because I've always been fan of his, but I guess thats a no go anymore. But I agree. He will recruit even better at notre dame. Washington is a great school, but it does not compare to notre dame
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 9, 2015 23:52:57 GMT -5
I totally understand what you're saying, but I don't think any of those are applicable for the recruits that want the volleyball tradition of Nebraska, Penn State, Texas or Stanford and follow in the footsteps of its alumni. Or what if the recruit wants to be in the national spotlight or play tough competition in conferences like the B1G or Pac-12? It seems like the trend in volleyball is that in order to be the best (or be seen as the best), you have to defeat the best, which is why people feel the "rich get richer and poor get poorer" in volleyball. Is it possible JMac may have been able to do what he did at Washington because it was a Pac school that gave athletes who wanted to play in the Pac the opportunities to upset legendary programs like USC, Stanford and UCLA on a weekly basis, which was able to catch national attention, which put the team higher in the polls, which attracted better recruits? In order for JMac to get the ball rolling, which teams in the ACC will he have to defeat year after year that will catapult ND to a top 5 ranking? Or will ND be another program like Hawaii or Texas that almost gets to coast through their conference schedules and rise in the polls because the B1G and Pac-12 are beating each other up? If that's the case, JMac better start scheduling tough preseason matches, which has been one of his criticisms of not doing over the years, or pray that Florida State, UNC, and Duke don't fade back into the darkness anytime soon. You're a dumbass. Hurt much?
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 9, 2015 23:54:06 GMT -5
Well, at least Shoji may get past the NCAA second round in the coming years.
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Post by zenyada on Jan 9, 2015 23:57:03 GMT -5
Of note is that UW hasn't gotten a big-time commitment since 2012. Seems like not that long since those girls are still underclassmen, but for someone looking forward it could be concerning. JMac probably realized that A bit unclear, but fine if you're including Scambray as a 2012 "big time" committment. She's only a rising sophomore so it feels premature to move on for the reason you stated. You make it sound as if its became burdensome to recruit to UW and I dont believe it. And/or there's no talent left in the '16 and '17 pool, to cover gaps or mistakes. Not the case imo.
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Post by Volley1234 on Jan 10, 2015 0:07:18 GMT -5
The Notre Dame name gets recruits alone. Taylor Morey chose a struggling Notre Dame team at the time instead of a top 10 ranked Dayton program mainly because the prestige.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 10, 2015 0:07:23 GMT -5
Really? I'm not being sarcastic or a smart ass, either. If that's the case, why don't they already have top girls from everywhere? Is JMac that dreamy of a coach for girls in Indiana, Florida, Illinois, and Kentucky to pick him over Nebraska, Penn State, Texas, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Purdue? Because they havent worked very hard, had much success, and did not have an exceptional coach, or at least one who had enough drive everyday to be exceptional. As great a draw as Jmac is, he isnt as great a draw as ND the institution, but the combination is incredibly attractive. Name the number of schools that right now are as strong in ALL these areas? Some are stronger in some areas, but in terms of having all of these things, the list is very, very, very small, and UW is also probably not on that list of having ALL of those things, Nebraska certainly isnt. Great academics Great reputation prestige in degree great campus great athletics great regional recruiting base ability to recruit nationally unlimited resources great coach No offense to ND, but if I had a four-year academic schollie from UW or ND, I'd pick U-Dub, because I always considered Washington and Berkeley as the two best public schools in America for academics. When I hear "Notre Dame," I associate it immediately with football, not academics. Prior to this thread, I never thought a degree from ND was considered prestigious. Again, I'm not mocking ND, because I was never informed well about how to think about it--outside of hearing that family elders didn't want a cousin going there because it's a Catholic school.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 10, 2015 0:08:01 GMT -5
Not hurt but annoyed by your ignorance.
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Post by zenyada on Jan 10, 2015 0:16:22 GMT -5
Of note is that UW hasn't gotten a big-time commitment since 2012. Seems like not that long since those girls are still underclassmen, but for someone looking forward it could be concerning. JMac probably realized that A bit unclear, but fine if you're including Scambray as a 2012 "big time" committment. She's only a rising sophomore so it feels premature to move on for the reason you stated. You make it sound as if its became burdensome to recruit to UW and I dont believe it. And/or there's no talent left in the '16 and '17 pool, to cover gaps or mistakes. Not the case imo. Maybe more to the point how many scholarships have been available since Scambray?
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Post by volleyfan24 on Jan 10, 2015 0:21:53 GMT -5
Someone in here said Notre Dame was one of the Top 5 WCVB coaching positions in the country. I would like to thank you I needed a laugh today
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Post by Upfrontvb on Jan 10, 2015 0:32:11 GMT -5
For what ever reason he left for, ND is lucky to get him. I just feel bad for the team that is left behind at Washington. Girls that played for him the last 3 years and will be seniors this coming year and freshmen that are very good players who went there to play for him.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 10, 2015 0:41:04 GMT -5
Someone in here said Notre Dame was one of the Top 5 WCVB coaching positions in the country. I would like to thank you I needed a laugh today Now don't be ignorant, or BIK will go smashing away on his keyboard in a fury and start hurling insults! LOL
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Jan 10, 2015 0:48:58 GMT -5
Because they havent worked very hard, had much success, and did not have an exceptional coach, or at least one who had enough drive everyday to be exceptional. As great a draw as Jmac is, he isnt as great a draw as ND the institution, but the combination is incredibly attractive. Name the number of schools that right now are as strong in ALL these areas? Some are stronger in some areas, but in terms of having all of these things, the list is very, very, very small, and UW is also probably not on that list of having ALL of those things, Nebraska certainly isnt. Great academics Great reputation prestige in degree great campus great athletics great regional recruiting base ability to recruit nationally unlimited resources great coach No offense to ND, but if I had a four-year academic schollie from UW or ND, I'd pick U-Dub, because I always considered Washington and Berkeley as the two best public schools in America for academics. When I hear "Notre Dame," I associate it immediately with football, not academics. Prior to this thread, I never thought a degree from ND was considered prestigious. Again, I'm not mocking ND, because I was never informed well about how to think about it--outside of hearing that family elders didn't want a cousin going there because it's a Catholic school. Notre Dame is consistently ranked as a top 20 university, well above any public schools in the country. The name tied to the university is very respected in interviews and such. Also, I'm not sure wat logic you use to determine that UW is the second best public school for academics. UCLA, Michigan, UNC, UVA, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech all off the top of my head would be better for academics. Seattle is a great city, but if we're just basing off academics, it would show lots of obliviousness and poor research to accept a 4 year scholarship at UW over ND.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 10, 2015 0:57:36 GMT -5
Of note is that UW hasn't gotten a big-time commitment since 2012. Seems like not that long since those girls are still underclassmen, but for someone looking forward it could be concerning. JMac probably realized that A bit unclear, but fine if you're including Scambray as a 2012 "big time" committment. She's only a rising sophomore so it feels premature to move on for the reason you stated. You make it sound as if its became burdensome to recruit to UW and I dont believe it. And/or there's no talent left in the '16 and '17 pool, to cover gaps or mistakes. Not the case imo. How is it unclear? It's been over two calendar years since UW "bingo'd" a difference maker. Because of that, they're not bringing in anyone who makes them better in 2015 (despite losing the NPOY and another All-American) nor in 2016 (when they lose another All-American plus Strickland/Wade/Beals). There's still talent left in the '16 pool, but I'm not sure any of the relatively few elite players available are considering UW at this point. Next year was probably always going to be somewhat of an unknown without Vansant, but UW will have some gaps after that as well. And it's rumored that the one 2017 they really went after and wanted (needed, to keep up with the Joneses?) may already be out of reach. Would UW have been chopped liver if JMac stayed? Certainly not. But the talent isn't such that he's giving up the chance for any titles at UW during the time he needs to rebuild the Irish program. Is recruiting to UW "burdensome"? No, but they swung and missed on several top targets (which perhaps happened too late to pick up Option B?). It'd be pretty frustrating to be a program on top of everybody and still lose those battles over factors that won't change (academics, geography, university brand). Many think, and this is what you really don't agree with, that an elite program at ND would not go through such a dry spell closing on the very top recruits, and that, and $$$, is what made this opportunity compelling. If a coach with such high aspirations is going to spend some time out of the mix, it would make sense to use that time to invest in building the program that might ultimately have the higher ceiling rather than plowing through some solid/OK seasons and hoping to wrest another KV away from Stanford & USC.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 10, 2015 1:18:59 GMT -5
Someone in here said Notre Dame was one of the Top 5 WCVB coaching positions in the country. I would like to thank you I needed a laugh today Now don't be ignorant, or BIK will go smashing away on his keyboard in a fury and start hurling insults! LOL
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