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Post by gnu2vball on Jan 11, 2015 9:23:44 GMT -5
I respect Illini fans, players, and Coach Hambly. But in terms of tradition/respect as volleyball programs (performance and appearances in Final Fours included) Illinois ain't there. Not even close to USC and UCLA. Sorry.
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Post by canda on Jan 11, 2015 10:37:35 GMT -5
This is how I regarded the situation. describing the ACC as mediocre is ludicrous. The ACC had four teams with a higher rpi than Purdue, Minnesota, and Michigan. The ACC is one of the top 5 conferences that hardly makes them mediocre. Are they as strong as the Big? No. But are they mediocre? of course not. The ACC is solid and getting better every year. Didn't we learn from the tournament that the RPI was a joke, when looking at final results.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jan 11, 2015 11:26:01 GMT -5
Yes that was me volleyfan24, and I take it as a compliment that you laughed. It was sarcasm but to say that its one of the top coaching positions in the country is just delusional. Is it a good postition absolutely. To coach for a private school with a name, history, tradition, education and backing like ND few schools if any can match that in the nation, but it is certainly not the most desirable and to say top 5 is a huge exaggeration. The top positions right now in no particular order I am going to say and many would agree are Penn State, Stanford, Texas, UCLA, USC, Nebraska. After that there are a slew of second and third tier schools who are right on par with Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame have the ability to rise to the top of the sport and become a blue blood program much like the other schools already named sure but they have a long way to go before people start proclaiming them a volleyball school/program or to compete for ACC let alone NCAA titles. Once they can hang one of those banners up in their gym then I will be ready to call them a top program but until then they will be stuck playing catch up just like everyone else. Notre dame carries a great name, but as far as volleyball, not even close to a top coaching destination. Sorry
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 11, 2015 11:46:45 GMT -5
describing the ACC as mediocre is ludicrous. The ACC had four teams with a higher rpi than Purdue, Minnesota, and Michigan. The ACC is one of the top 5 conferences that hardly makes them mediocre. Are they as strong as the Big? No. But are they mediocre? of course not. The ACC is solid and getting better every year. Didn't we learn from the tournament that the RPI was a joke, when looking at final results. Doesn't change the point that the ACC is coming. UNC was a legit final four contender and returns an army of arms, if not Nelson. They bring in two top 50 players and a member of the JNT training team. FSU has gone from a great team to a great program, and with a 6'1" lefty setter/RS and a transfer from Purdue coming in, there is every reason to believe they will continue to be a major player. Duke was a match or two from being seeded again this year and they return their primary weapon, while continuing to land solid recruiting classes. Louisville skipped a beat this year but they won't be down long. Notre Dame is clearly announcing their intentions to be very serious about volleyball. Virginia replaces a walk-on MH who was starting with the Dallas POY, and the one weapon they lose, Janowski, is being replaced with a 6'4" top 100 recruit from A5. In short, they are getting better, which is meaningful for a team that lost 4 matches in the 5th set this season. This should be a 20 win team next year. And I say all this not to suggest that the ACC is better than the Big 10 or Pac 12, but they are certainly in the top 5 conferences and building momentum.
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Post by Ralph Kramden on Jan 11, 2015 12:06:40 GMT -5
Perhaps JMac wants to keep more of his hard earned money for himself? The state of Washington has one of the highest costs of living in the country, and all signs coming out of the state legislature point towards significant increases in taxes including a state income tax, a carbon emissions tax on gasoline, higher property taxes, and "freeways" being changed to tollways, to name only a few.
Areas around South Bend are absolutely gorgeous, the cost of living is significantly lower than that of Washington, and the state legislature seems to be less inclined to raise taxes. Economically speaking this is probably a great move for JMac and his family.
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Post by chancelucky on Jan 11, 2015 13:28:21 GMT -5
The ACC frequently proves to be a tougher conference to conquer than people think. In particular, I remember when Lee Maes took over Virginia and many posters here were certain that Virginia would immediately dominate the ACC. Some similar things were said when Tim Horsmon came to Maryland. Of that group of then "new to the ACC" coaches, Chris Poole at FSU was the only one who had significant success in the conference while some longtime ACC coaches have managed to continue to do very well.
There is, however, a difference of degree here. Mclaughlin, I'm pretty sure, is the first head coach to have won a national championship or even gone to multiple final fours as a head coach to come to the ACC. Still, I suspect he sees it as a challenge more than a matter of slumming. His arrival at Notre Dame is an exciting thing for college volleyball. It's yet another sign that the sport is getting more regionally diverse. It's also definitely the first time the ACC will have 3 coaches from the prior season's end of year top 10.
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Post by Not Me on Jan 11, 2015 13:34:18 GMT -5
It was sarcasm but to say that its one of the top coaching positions in the country is just delusional. Is it a good postition absolutely. To coach for a private school with a name, history, tradition, education and backing like ND few schools if any can match that in the nation, but it is certainly not the most desirable and to say top 5 is a huge exaggeration. The top positions right now in no particular order I am going to say and many would agree are Penn State, Stanford, Texas, UCLA, USC, Nebraska. After that there are a slew of second and third tier schools who are right on par with Notre Dame. Does Notre Dame have the ability to rise to the top of the sport and become a blue blood program much like the other schools already named sure but they have a long way to go before people start proclaiming them a volleyball school/program or to compete for ACC let alone NCAA titles. Once they can hang one of those banners up in their gym then I will be ready to call them a top program but until then they will be stuck playing catch up just like everyone else. Notre dame carries a great name, but as far as volleyball, not even close to a top coaching destination. Sorry But was Washington a top destination before he got there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 13:38:30 GMT -5
No buy-out clause in JMac / Washington contract? That may be poor work by UW administration.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jan 11, 2015 14:34:01 GMT -5
Notre dame carries a great name, but as far as volleyball, not even close to a top coaching destination. Sorry But was Washington a top destination before he got there? In my opinion Washington has benefit of being in pac also. Think that helps.
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Post by dsound on Jan 11, 2015 15:09:18 GMT -5
I am going to get hammered for this but in the last tournament game, he seemed removed a bit. I know you can't tell much on television but it seemed that he was irritated before the game commenced or had moved on? Just a gut thing . I was there sitting on the bench side and that struck me, too. It seemed odd that he looked like he was in a sour mood from the walk out. And then the players were all tight.... Last year's FF made it apparent and this year made it clear that despite his many strengths he has a flaw of not being able to get the team to relax and have fun while still playing at a high level. I hope the new coach is able to balance these seemingly opposite needs. Good luck to him and his family, and very much gratitude for making the program what it is now.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 11, 2015 16:27:43 GMT -5
I am going to get hammered for this but in the last tournament game, he seemed removed a bit. I know you can't tell much on television but it seemed that he was irritated before the game commenced or had moved on? Just a gut thing . This reminds of "Son Of Sam"
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Post by bigfan on Jan 11, 2015 16:29:36 GMT -5
No buy-out clause in JMac / Washington contract? That may be poor work by UW administration. Seriously who would ever think of a "BUYOUT" clause for a womens volleyball coach? PSU are you paying attention?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 11, 2015 16:54:44 GMT -5
No buy-out clause in JMac / Washington contract? That may be poor work by UW administration. Seriously who would ever think of a "BUYOUT" clause for a womens volleyball coach? PSU are you paying attention? Tom Hilbert at Colorado State has a $1,000,000 buyout. It's not like buyouts are unheard of in volleyball.
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Post by hardbop on Jan 11, 2015 17:30:56 GMT -5
No buy-out clause in JMac / Washington contract? That may be poor work by UW administration. Seriously who would ever think of a "BUYOUT" clause for a womens volleyball coach? PSU are you paying attention? PSU isn't stupid. Money is only a minor deterrent. No buyout clause for RR but if he leaves his contract stipulates that the Creamery will discontinue the"russdigsroseberry" ice cream flavor.
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Post by akbar on Jan 11, 2015 17:34:26 GMT -5
Seriously who would ever think of a "BUYOUT" clause for a womens volleyball coach? PSU are you paying attention? PSU isn't stupid. Money is only a minor deterrent. No buyout clause for RR but if he leaves his contract stipulates that the Creamery will discontinue the"russdigsroseberry" ice cream flavor. That's COLD!
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