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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 11:15:06 GMT -5
You can decline a bid (say you have a player on your roster because you were short and had to grab someone from another team and do not want to lock them in on that roster) then accept it later with your correct team if you earn it at a different qualifier. That is interesting that Baja ended up taking one. I would not be surprised if it was messed up and they were not going to take one. From the directors and coaches I talked with while trying to figure out Bid Playoff's there was 2 bids left in the playoff, then they only gave 1 of them out? Also SPRI 18 Mizuno was making an interesting argument. They were the only team that had a bid and did not participate in the Bid playoff from the teams that lost first round games. Now there official finish is 16th. According to the USAV seeding handbook your last multi team tournament with other bid tournaments taking precedent should be the top basis for seeding at bid tournaments. SPRI Miz, who ran into a tough morning match in Ocean Bay should be seeded pretty low in St. Louis. They wanted to participate in the playoff so they could move up their official finish, but were not allowed to. Lot of talk about this tournament. My biggest thing is the bid playoff's. How do you not have this figured out already and have courts available. If you lost at 8am, you had to wait until 2pm to figure out where you are playing and when. They did not even realize it until 2pm. Also how do they not know if you are accepting a bid if you accept or not. This should be done at registration (if you receive a bid would you accept it?) so right away after the first round of Gold playoffs they know who might have to playoff. Not have to call every single team over and ask hey are you going to take a bid. If they were calling teams while they were playing that delayed the process another hour. Anyone else eat from the BBQ stand, delicious. I believe the bid playoff bracket is for securing a bid NOT final finish in event. The soul purpose is to hand out the trickle down bids. Therefore, that team will be recorded as a tie for 9th place finish in final standings.
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Post by vcoachus on Jan 20, 2015 13:27:25 GMT -5
Hey guys. I was on here trying to find the final results and saw what was being posted about the LIVBC team and thought I could shed some light. I spoke to a couple of the coaches who were watching this game. The incident did occur and it was a fellow livbc club team that was involved. The player was hit in face and went down but stayed in game. He later was out for weekend with the head injury. SOME on the team did celebrate the hit but not ALL. Libero, setter and #12 were the ones who were mentioned by the three coaches. Hopefully the player is fine and it will be addressed by their coach and possibly their parents. That LIVBC team is good and sometimes a few players can hurt the reputation of the entire team and I'm sure those players regret what they did. They are just kids and have a lot to learn. I can tell you that college coaches do care about conduct and not just talent. Tell your boys that we want the WHOLE package.
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Post by lgb00 on Jan 20, 2015 14:20:47 GMT -5
You can decline a bid (say you have a player on your roster because you were short and had to grab someone from another team and do not want to lock them in on that roster) then accept it later with your correct team if you earn it at a different qualifier. That is interesting that Baja ended up taking one. I would not be surprised if it was messed up and they were not going to take one. From the directors and coaches I talked with while trying to figure out Bid Playoff's there was 2 bids left in the playoff, then they only gave 1 of them out? Also SPRI 18 Mizuno was making an interesting argument. They were the only team that had a bid and did not participate in the Bid playoff from the teams that lost first round games. Now there official finish is 16th. According to the USAV seeding handbook your last multi team tournament with other bid tournaments taking precedent should be the top basis for seeding at bid tournaments. SPRI Miz, who ran into a tough morning match in Ocean Bay should be seeded pretty low in St. Louis. They wanted to participate in the playoff so they could move up their official finish, but were not allowed to. Lot of talk about this tournament. My biggest thing is the bid playoff's. How do you not have this figured out already and have courts available. If you lost at 8am, you had to wait until 2pm to figure out where you are playing and when. They did not even realize it until 2pm. Also how do they not know if you are accepting a bid if you accept or not. This should be done at registration (if you receive a bid would you accept it?) so right away after the first round of Gold playoffs they know who might have to playoff. Not have to call every single team over and ask hey are you going to take a bid. If they were calling teams while they were playing that delayed the process another hour. Anyone else eat from the BBQ stand, delicious. I have a much greater appreciation of the SCVA tournament after attending the BWVC. 1) Top seeds should stay on their courts until the lose their seed or the have to play a higher seed (at BWVC, the top seeds played on 6 different courts moving after every win in the gold bracket -which means you have to wait for 3 courts to finish - as opposed to 2 - before proceeding with the next match). 2) Play challenge matches on day 2 when all the teams are there and then you can have an 8 team gold bracket. This allows the finals to be played when people are at the facility to watch and gives the organizers all night to figure out the bid bracket and post it if they need to go beyond the top 8. 3) I did try the BBQ and I was amazed the it was only $7 for a good sized pulled pork sandwich at a convention center. Kinda nice :-).
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Post by vb01 on Jan 20, 2015 14:49:45 GMT -5
1. Make it mandatory for any teams in the Gold Bracket to check in with the tournament desk the morning of day 3... no more chasing around and waiting to find who would accept, etc... 2. With 3 teams that already had bids and 2 teams that historically do not accept bids how was there ZERO for sight that there MIGHT be a need for a bid playoff?!?!?
Easily correctable for next year. I do agree though, if pre-quarters is what you want, do it afternoon of day 2. Or a play-in match (basically the exact same thing. At least then you'd have your silver bracket ready to go for any trickle down.
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Post by vcoachus on Jan 20, 2015 16:47:15 GMT -5
Does anyone have the link to see final results for each age group?
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Post by pwvb on Jan 20, 2015 18:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 20, 2015 18:28:01 GMT -5
Does anyone have the final list of everyone who accepted their bid?
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Post by pwvb on Jan 20, 2015 18:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by cadf on Jan 20, 2015 19:13:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have the final list of everyone who accepted their bid? USA doesn't post those for about a week to 10 days after the event usually.
Very curious to see if Baja did in fact accept a bid. I assumed they would not, like previous years, and like SCVA.
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Post by vcoachus on Jan 20, 2015 19:59:24 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 11:56:06 GMT -5
These guys really need to learn how to put final finishes into the AES System.
In 18 Open alone, NVC-UA finishes 5th. How? They lost in the Pre-Quarters. So at best 9th. Congrats on the bid by the way.
Sucks to be SPVB Mizuno who gets penalized in the final finish category. All other teams who lost in pre-quarters played in a bid playoff which somehow correlates to final finish. Mizuno is thrown in at 12th. All teams should be 9th place who lost pre-quarters if they can not play in bid playoff. Yes, I know they already have a bid from CA.
However, they get it right in the 16 Open division.
Consistency boys...consistency. This is pretty laughable. I will wait to hear the excuses or just fix it. Problem when tournament directors only run a tournament 1x per year.
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Post by cadf on Jan 21, 2015 15:17:19 GMT -5
Same people have been running this for years, and I've never seen it this disorganized. The moving of courts during the 3rd day was crazy. Also don't know why they can't place the court numbers in some type of logical arrangement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 18:10:37 GMT -5
Good thing they stole/essentially shut down Wisconsin's 3 bid qualifier.
It's easy to see why half of the girls side of things split to form AAU/JVDA. Fortunately for USAV, there aren't enough boys teams to do that/make it matter.
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Post by pwvb on Jan 21, 2015 19:02:42 GMT -5
congrats to HPSTL club this past weekend in open division play across all ages groups 6 top ten finishes of which 4 ended in top 4.
Top performing clubs across all OPEN division age groups, top ten includes all those tied for 9th place HPSTL, 6 top ten, 4 top 4 LIVBC, 5 top ten, 2 top 4 Ultimate, 5 top ten, 2 top 4 Adversity, 4 top ten, 0 top 4 MVC, 4 top ten, 3 top 4
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Post by pwvb on Jan 21, 2015 19:07:16 GMT -5
congrats to HPSTL club this past weekend in open division play across all ages groups 6 top ten finishes of which 4 ended in top 4. Top performing clubs across all OPEN division age groups, top ten includes all those tied for 9th place HPSTL, 6 top ten, 4 top 4 LIVBC, 5 top ten, 2 top 4 Ultimate, 5 top ten, 2 top 4 Adversity, 4 top ten, 0 top 4 MVC, 4 top ten, 3 top 4 Correction: Ultimate had 6 top ten finishes congrats to all teams for a great weekend UPDATED HPSTL, 6 top ten, 4 top 4 Ultimate, 6 top ten, 2 top 4 LIVBC, 5 top ten, 2 top 4 Adversity, 4 top ten, 0 top 4 MVC, 4 top ten, 3 top 4
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