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Post by n00b on Jan 28, 2015 16:21:15 GMT -5
n00b said "She's now getting FIVE years of scholarship money, FIVE years of room and board and FIVE years of training. Just not the instant gratification." Didja miss the part where she walked on at Nebraska? GO HUSKERS If she did, it's by choice. Nebraska may not have had scholarship money available for her during her year in residency, but a transfer IS allowed to receive full room and board during that time. The point I was making is that requiring an athlete to sit out of competition for a year, does not mean they lose scholarship money.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 28, 2015 16:24:35 GMT -5
n00b said "She's now getting FIVE years of scholarship money, FIVE years of room and board and FIVE years of training. Just not the instant gratification." Didja miss the part where she walked on at Nebraska? GO HUSKERS If she did, it's by choice. Nebraska may not have had scholarship money available for her during her year in residency, but a transfer IS allowed to receive full room and board during that time. The point I was making is that requiring an athlete to sit out of competition for a year, does not mean they lose scholarship money. Yes, a player sitting out can in fact be on scholarship at her new school. It was her choice to attend Nebraska and pay her spring semester. She most certainly could have attended a school that had money available in the spring.
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Post by InTheKnow on Jan 28, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -5
This decision to transfer hurts the LSU team, program and coaches career possibly. I wouldn't realease someone who did that to my team unless they had a legitimate family reason or major problems. Fyi, Fran has more character is her pinky toe than most of you. She is very highly regarded in the coaching ranks. I'm sure she considered all things and made a good decision. If Briana suffers instant satisfaction them so be it. She'll be no worse than all the athletes in other sports.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 28, 2015 16:38:18 GMT -5
This decision to transfer hurts the LSU team, program and coaches career possibly. I wouldn't realease someone who did that to my team unless they had a legitimate family reason or major problems. Fyi, Fran has more character is her pinky toe than most of you. She is very highly regarded in the coaching ranks. I'm sure she considered all things and made a good decision. If Briana suffers instant satisfaction them so be it. She'll be no worse than all the athletes in other sports. Fran is an exceptional person. I also agree that late transfers hurt teams. Question, did the starting middle who transferred into LSU two weeks ago hurt her team, program, coach? I think it is a fair question.
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Post by gotball on Jan 28, 2015 16:42:09 GMT -5
What about a SA that has not had their scholarship renewed by their school and is technically a transfer? When SJSU released players late in the spring semester last year, they justified it as being in compliance with the NCAA rule that you have until July 1 to notify. I feel that puts a hardship on the SA to find a new program that would also have scholarships available in just a few months following their release. If you feel all transfers should sit out a year, I don't think you could justify it in the San Jose State situation. I've contacted the NCAA Legislative group regarding the July 1st issue and expressed my opinion. They might care less what I think, but I think the July 1 date needs to move to sometime in January, following the completion of the indoor season. Schools that utilize their indoor teams to fulfill sand teams, then the coach wants to release players, it is wrong to allow them to wait until June. Waiting to notify until after the sand season is completely taking advantage of the SA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 17:19:18 GMT -5
The reason this is a good rule for volleyball is that coaches can grant a kid a release if they handled things the right way. BB doesn't have that freedom all kids have to sit, even if they are a 1. good kid with 2. good reasons to Transfer. I suspect in this case the player didn't reach those 2 criteria. I'm hard-pressed to think of two less objective standards than "good kid" and "good reasons to transfer." Unless you subscribe to the Whizzer White Potter Stewart line of thinking that you'll know it when you see it. As gogophers just pointed out to me via pm, it wasn't Whizzer White, it was Potter Stewart. Color me obscenely (and supremely) embarrassed! Whizzer still can claim title to coolest name for a Supreme Court Justice.
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Post by gnu2vball on Jan 28, 2015 18:41:52 GMT -5
I'm hard-pressed to think of two less objective standards than "good kid" and "good reasons to transfer." Unless you subscribe to the Whizzer White Potter Stewart line of thinking that you'll know it when you see it. As gogophers just pointed out to me via pm, it wasn't Whizzer White, it was Potter Stewart. Color me obscenely (and supremely) embarrassed! Whizzer still can claim title to coolest name for a Supreme Court Justice. I believe he (White) was a pretty fair football player in his day.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 28, 2015 19:41:07 GMT -5
It is inaccurate and perhaps unfair to suggest that the refusal of a coach to grant a transfer exception is entirely arbitrary. The NCAA rules provide for an appeal of the coach's decision to deny a release (one-time transfer exception) with a committee independent of the athletic department (previously, the committee could include some athletic department staff). That committee can either affirm or over-rule the coach's decision. That is not to say that some coaches don't act arbitrarily in making the decision, or that the committee is assuredly independent, but it is a fact that the decision is subject to a review process. As someone who has served on this type of committee, I always felt that student-athletes who approached the appeal from the stand-point of simply airing grievances against the coach or program did themselves a disservice because my natural inclination is to support a student-athlete's right to transfer for whatever reason given that any general student has that right (provided s/he remained in good academic standing). In these situations, a coach would invariably raise some issue with the athlete's conduct in response. It's rare that either a student-athlete or a coach is entirely at fault when a situation like this arises.
I also think that it is not inherently unethical that a coach could deny a transfer to his or her player, and simultaneously accept a transfer into his or her program. They are two completely different decisions made by two different people/entities each of which is allowable under NCAA rules.
The most common reason coaches give for denying a release (one-time transfer exception), other than the recruiting disadvantage, is that they feel it would be a competitive disadvantage for that player to immediately be able to play against their old team. Given that some conferences have a blanket rule requiring intra-conference transfers to sit out a year, it's not that much of a stretch in that particular argument to say that having a released player able to compete immediately in an inter-conference match or more significantly, in a post-season match, is disadvantageous.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 28, 2015 21:29:06 GMT -5
LSU's position on the matter is best expressed in song:
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Post by BigFanEst2006 on Jan 28, 2015 22:47:17 GMT -5
...Maybe a kid was underrecruited out of high school. Then after having a great freshman and sophomore season, B1G-time coach makes a call to a former club coach just to make sure she knows that if she wanted to, she could play at a top program. Kid was perfectly happy at previous school, but then transfers... The hypothetical situation you painted above is far removed from Briana’s transfer. LOL Briana requested to transfer in her freshman year… N00b has an interesting thought. She has her right to transfer to better her own goals and dreams, but if she was miserable as some posters are indicating AND requested a transfer her Freshman year, then why did she stay one more year? No matter what a coach promises or says, if it was an unhealthy environment for her, she should have left a year ago with 100% support from family, coaches and LSU. And then, if this was the case and she had left after her Freshman season, this all would be a non-issue.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 28, 2015 23:00:20 GMT -5
The hypothetical situation you painted above is far removed from Briana’s transfer. LOL Briana requested to transfer in her freshman year… N00b has an interesting thought. She has her right to transfer to better her own goals and dreams, but if she was miserable as some posters are indicating AND requested a transfer her Freshman year, then why did she stay one more year? No matter what a coach promises or says, if it was an unhealthy environment for her, she should have left a year ago with 100% support from family, coaches and LSU. And then, if this was the case and she had left after her Freshman season, this all would be a non-issue. She stayed a second year because her coach asked her to give it another year before deciding. I don't believe she was miserable, I believe she felt it wasnt the right fit. Fran is a great person, and a very good coach, I cant imagine any part of the program would make her miserable. In my opinion forcing her to sit a year of residency is her right, and within the rules. I think forcing her to sit the sand season in which she said she would even redshirt is piling on and unnecessary. LSU did not have sand volleyball when she committed there, if she never played sand volleyball at LSU she wouldnt even need a release to participate this sand season. I get the sitting out in the fall, sitting out a non-competitive beach season, I don't.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 28, 2015 23:18:32 GMT -5
N00b has an interesting thought. She has her right to transfer to better her own goals and dreams, but if she was miserable as some posters are indicating AND requested a transfer her Freshman year, then why did she stay one more year? No matter what a coach promises or says, if it was an unhealthy environment for her, she should have left a year ago with 100% support from family, coaches and LSU. And then, if this was the case and she had left after her Freshman season, this all would be a non-issue. She stayed a second year because her coach asked her to give it another year before deciding. I don't believe she was miserable, I believe she felt it wasnt the right fit. Fran is a great person, and a very good coach, I cant imagine any part of the program would make her miserable. In my opinion forcing her to sit a year of residency is her right, and within the rules. I think forcing her to sit the sand season in which she said she would even redshirt is piling on and unnecessary. LSU did not have sand volleyball when she committed there, if she never played sand volleyball at LSU she wouldnt even need a release to participate this sand season. I get the sitting out in the fall, sitting out a non-competitive beach season, I don't. Oh, come on, quit talking out of both sides. She's either a great person and a very good coach, or a coach with situational ethics. Pick one already.
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Post by volleytology on Jan 28, 2015 23:51:13 GMT -5
I don't know Holman but I do know Fran and she's a quality person and coach and treats her players very well. Never heard of a "miserable" 1st team all-american ? But I guess there's a first for everything. I can't even imagine her misery level at Nebraska if she's a not 1st team all-american there. I guess she's a guaranteed starter there in 2016 ? How do the other Nebraska middles feel about that ? Is anyone familiar with her work ethic or how she got along with her teammates at LSU ? What was her recruiting ranking coming out of HS?
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Post by milkmandan on Jan 28, 2015 23:53:17 GMT -5
Nebraska has two middles who will be seniors in 2015, Haggerty and Cici Hall. My advice to Keil and Larson would be "work hard and get better because two very good MB's will be ready to play in 2016."
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 29, 2015 0:25:15 GMT -5
I don't know Holman but I do know Fran and she's a quality person and coach and treats her players very well. Never heard of a "miserable" 1st team all-american ? But I guess there's a first for everything. I can't even imagine her misery level at Nebraska if she's a not 1st team all-american there. I guess she's a guaranteed starter there in 2016 ? How do the other Nebraska middles feel about that ? Is anyone familiar with her work ethic or how she got along with her teammates at LSU ? What was her recruiting ranking coming out of HS? Fran is a terrific person, and well respected. At the highest levels current players understand that coaches are always going to bring in players who can compete for their positions. Its part of it. They do not have a middle who is in the same class as Holman. Wouldnt begin to speculate on how hard she works or how she gets along with teammates, others of course would weigh in with no basis.
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