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Post by brickwall on May 10, 2016 19:30:38 GMT -5
I completely agree that no coach should complain about missing a week of off season workouts to go to HP. It is only a week for A3, right? Plus they will work your daughter really hard and she will be exhausted. It's not a holiday. 3 2-hour training sessions every day, with a 1-1/2 hour classroom session at night. Unfortunately, some high school coaches bitterly resent any activity (e.g., club, HP, Nationals, camps, recruiting, etc.) that suggests that the HS coach and his/her program are not the top priority for a volleyball player. This perfectly explains our entire high school athletic department.
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Post by vballgrl on May 10, 2016 20:00:23 GMT -5
What club is charging 8k per year? That's the number mentioned most recently in a different thread. Frankly, I find it appalling and in my area, I'd recommend to kids to not play club for that money and set it aside for college tuition directly. But if you are talking travel--you're looking at a ton of expenses clubs don't really tell you about--hotel rooms, gas, air tickets for some, entry fees at venues (not everywhere, but for a lot), parking fees, meals while on the road. It adds up pretty fast. So, yeah, club is costing a bunch of people $8-10k/year. Sadly, in some areas, 8k is about right. Includes qualifiers entry and travel (usually) and all the basics. Usually 2 coaches as well
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Post by foodforthought on May 10, 2016 20:16:17 GMT -5
I have a daughter that is playing DI and a son who is commited to play at a DI school. Our daughter never tried out for HP but our son has done it the last two years and it was an excellent experience. He usually tried out at sessions that were not connected to a qualifier when possible. The tryouts can be as long as 4 hours which can be a lot the night before a qualifier, we are fortunate to live near a site that hosts the tryouts at an independent time. My son didn't do HP for visability but did it for development. He received instruction from college coaches and formed friendships with kids across the country. He is a better all around player because of his HP experience . If I had to choose between a college camp and a HP A2 or higher spot, I'd go with HP. I've heard a mixed bag about A3, and some people elect not to take an A3 spot if that is what they're assigned. I encouraged a player to try out and told him that he could decline if he didn't make a higher group. He ended up making A1 which shows you'll never know unless you try out!
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Post by sandman32 on May 10, 2016 20:56:03 GMT -5
For those that have put kids through the pipeline or those that have been involved in it, I have a question or two. 1) It looks like tryouts are the night before or the last evening of National Qualifiers plus a few other events, is this correct? 2) Looking at the girls future select, it costs $700 and is in Michigan, do the kids stay in a dorm? Or does the family have to fork out for a hotel as well for the players? 3) For objective parents who have done it, is this cost worth the week? Or are local specific camps that are much lower a better option? Just trying to navigate my way through on the off hand chance that we consider something like this next year. I know, asking random people is not a great way to parent but there is experience and knowledge here that is can be very helpful Make no mistake, the volleyball camps of USAV HP are the cash cow that feeds their machine. Without them we would lose to "insert name here" every year. Now with that said I'll answer your questions: 1.)Typically tryouts are the night before qualifiers start. 2.)The cost of the program covers all lodging costs, and except in a few instances where kids are required to bring their own lunch money, such as at the USAV HP Championship. all food is covered also. 3.)Now on to is it worth it... this is very much a subjective question so I will tell you my experience. My daughter has been on the FSNT, Select A1, Select Continental, and now Youth A1. She also attended the Holiday Camps for the past three years. We are one of the lemmings who feed the machine so that they can invite 24 kids to the YNT tryout for 12 spots. With that said, as a person and a player, the amount my daughter has grown since she entered the program was unimaginable when she entered. She was a meek, shy, inward, uncertain little girl. Now shes an outgoing confident young woman. The people she has met, and the friendships she has made with girls from all over the country, they have enriched her culturally in ways that would not have been possible or via situations that would have never presented themselves without being in the program. Her Volleyball IQ has significantly increased and put her understanding of the game well past most kids in our club, and possibly even some coaches. The pride that she carries with her in knowing that she's part of a select group of people who have ever put on a jersey which says USA on the back and represented her country. The calm confidence in which she approaches life. These things are irreplaceable. To me, the lucky man who gets to pay the bill for all of these opportunities she has to chase her dreams, the experience is priceless. Besides if I wasn't paying for the USAV HP experience I'd be paying for vacations to Maui, or the Caribbean, or somewhere.... which actually doesn't sound like a bad idea either. lol Maybe that's what I'll do once she's in college. A quick update. The A2 girl I spoke of did get an invite very late in the process after some intervention.
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Post by jma1968 on May 12, 2016 16:58:14 GMT -5
From the USAV Website:
Girls’ Select: Some athletes have already received an invitation. Due unforeseen circumstances, remaining results will be available on Wednesday May 18th after 12:00pm MST.
First set of Select invitations went out Tuesday. A Second round of Select invitations were supposed to go out today, and then a final round May 16. Any idea what happened?
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Post by calical on May 12, 2016 17:34:15 GMT -5
From the USAV Website: Girls’ Select: Some athletes have already received an invitation. Due unforeseen circumstances, remaining results will be available on Wednesday May 18th after 12:00pm MST. First set of Select invitations went out Tuesday. A Second round of Select invitations were supposed to go out today, and then a final round May 16. Any idea what happened? Oh that's torture for the girls that are waiting! Many girls from Holiday Camp received theirs on Tuesday, and a few are still holding out hope of making A1. Do you know if A2 invitations went out Tuesday as well?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 17:51:55 GMT -5
From the USAV Website: Girls’ Select: Some athletes have already received an invitation. Due unforeseen circumstances, remaining results will be available on Wednesday May 18th after 12:00pm MST. First set of Select invitations went out Tuesday. A Second round of Select invitations were supposed to go out today, and then a final round May 16. Any idea what happened? It could be a number of things--but they have a limited staff and the Olympics coming up quick--and there have been multiple snafus within Brazil that are likely requiring unexpected additional time from the staff. That's a guess though.
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Post by brickwall on May 12, 2016 21:02:19 GMT -5
From the USAV Website: Girls’ Select: Some athletes have already received an invitation. Due unforeseen circumstances, remaining results will be available on Wednesday May 18th after 12:00pm MST. First set of Select invitations went out Tuesday. A Second round of Select invitations were supposed to go out today, and then a final round May 16. Any idea what happened? It could be a number of things--but they have a limited staff and the Olympics coming up quick--and there have been multiple snafus within Brazil that are likely requiring unexpected additional time from the staff. That's a guess though. They were having computer glitches with the youth results. Had to close registration in the middle of it and restart at 1:00 pm two days later. Maybe this is related, or it delayed them finishing select results.
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Post by eldorado on May 12, 2016 21:32:08 GMT -5
Some (many) A1 invites who didn't get national invites will decline so likely there will be trickle down. May take longer to complete than usual I'd think
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on May 12, 2016 21:48:28 GMT -5
I am sure the parents of Harmotto, Foluke, Larson, Fawcett , Hodge and others were very upset at having to pay that tryout fee so their daughters could get a jump on international competition as teenagers. Yes, the reality is that they needed the other lower level player tryout fees at that same tryout to fund their trip to a youth or junior World Championship to gain that valuable experience. Seems like the HP program may be working. Might want to fact check your statement
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Post by norcal on May 12, 2016 21:57:17 GMT -5
Some (many) A1 invites who didn't get national invites will decline so likely there will be trickle down. May take longer to complete than usual I'd think Historically, Youth A1 is the switch over. Many A1 Select girls move instead to college camps this July to finalize recruiting/ or join their committed college for its July camp and did not try out. Others that did not receive a Youth National Team invite will decline as noted. Youth A1 (non National Team) list will be significantly different than A1 Select list.
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Post by sandman32 on May 13, 2016 7:37:04 GMT -5
Some (many) A1 invites who didn't get national invites will decline so likely there will be trickle down. May take longer to complete than usual I'd think Historically, Youth A1 is the switch over. Many A1 Select girls move instead to college camps this July to finalize recruiting/ or join their committed college for its July camp and did not try out. Others that did not receive a Youth National Team invite will decline as noted. Youth A1 (non National Team) list will be significantly different than A1 Select list. Though I agree with most of what you've said, I also want to point out that the 2019 kids are in a different place in the recruiting process, so I'd expect most of them to be back.
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Post by eldorado on May 13, 2016 21:37:12 GMT -5
Historically, Youth A1 is the switch over. Many A1 Select girls move instead to college camps this July to finalize recruiting/ or join their committed college for its July camp and did not try out. Others that did not receive a Youth National Team invite will decline as noted. Youth A1 (non National Team) list will be significantly different than A1 Select list. Though I agree with most of what you've said, I also want to point out that the 2019 kids are in a different place in the recruiting process, so I'd expect most of them to be back. Neither 2019 setter from A1 last year tried out this year. Summer is awfully short for many of these girls. Great program, not knocking it but once was enough it seems.
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Post by norcal on May 13, 2016 22:03:10 GMT -5
Historically, Youth A1 is the switch over. Many A1 Select girls move instead to college camps this July to finalize recruiting/ or join their committed college for its July camp and did not try out. Others that did not receive a Youth National Team invite will decline as noted. Youth A1 (non National Team) list will be significantly different than A1 Select list. Youth has 10 fewer spots (12 YNT + 33 A1) than Select (55 A1) which takes up some of that slack. Edited to add: Actually, I now see another page on usav with a different date and location for the YNT tryout that indicates that A1 and YNT tryouts happen at exactly the same time and may be 2 completely separate camps. Does anybody know whether there is any overlap between YNT tryouts and Youth A1, or is it two completely separate camps with 24 (YNT) and 33 girls (A1)? They are separate tracks. Thus the declines for those not invited to YNT. I believe that final YNT roster is 12 (post tryouts).
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Post by Northern lights on May 15, 2016 12:46:15 GMT -5
Does USA HP programs have funds available to those athlete's deemed with the highest ceiling? Is their state or federal funding, Maybe a future Olympian program?
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