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Post by setterdump on Mar 3, 2015 12:52:16 GMT -5
Why did Campbell leave? She was from Raleigh area, and played club ball around that area. Committed to Duke early and then moved to Colorado for last year of HS. Also a degree from Duke is pretty nice. I don't know but it couldn't have been an issue of playing time for Campbell because she started pretty much every match for Duke her freshman & sophomore years and was playing 6 rotations. Maybe she wanted better competition in the Big 10? Duke is one of those schools that rarely has kids transfer out. The only two I can think of are Campbell and Nana Meriwether to UCLA. Like Stanford, I also don't think Duke has ever taken in a transfer in volleyball, but I could be wrong. As great as Sklar has been for Duke, I will say this- I would like to see her be even more aggressive on the court as a hitter. I sometimes feel like she is holding back some and trying too hard to avoid making mistakes. Duke will rely on her to score heavily this season, and I want to see her become that dominant all-around OH that I know she can (ex. 1st or 2nd team AA).
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Post by sulo on Mar 3, 2015 14:18:08 GMT -5
UNC had more than a "really" good tournament last year, they has a tremendous year by any measure. Also. don't forget that UNC came painfully( for them ) close to back-to back ACC titles as in 2013 in the last match of the season for the title,they blew an large lead in game 4(22-15 or something like that) and lost in 5 to the Blue Devils. My Carolina sources informed me that to her credit, Duke libero Ali McCurdy simply refused to let Duke lose that day. I don't know much about Duke for this coming year, but I do think UNC will be very strong again.
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Post by cardcounter on Mar 3, 2015 15:06:06 GMT -5
I see UNC coach Sagula at SoCal club tournaments all the time. He is putting in the recruting hours. IMO at least 50% of a program's success is the ability to recruit.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 3, 2015 15:22:42 GMT -5
I see UNC coach Sagula at SoCal club tournaments all the time. He is putting in the recruting hours. IMO at least 50% of a program's success is the ability to recruit. Agreed, I see him and AC Rackham at all the Texas tournaments. I am sure Duke coaches are at some of these tournaments, but always see UNC.
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Post by vballdad1 on Mar 3, 2015 18:37:38 GMT -5
A part of me wonders how good Duke could have been this past season if not for 3 factors: 1) Elizabeth Campbell transferring; 2) Awele Nwaeze de-committing last minute, and 3) Maggie Deichmeister not getting injured last off-season. Campbell and Nwaeze were impact players for their respective teams in the Big 10 (Ohio State and Indiana) this past season, and would have added much-needed firepower, physicality, and blocking for Duke. Coming in as the reigning ACC Setter of the Year, I thought Deichmeister was poised for a great senior season but her injury really set her back. With those 3, I think Duke could have been a very different team and won the ACC over UNC and FSU. Anyway, as trianglevolleyball said, Duke has not been able to keep up with UNC recently in terms of recruiting pipeline especially at outside hitter, which will be an issue if Duke still wants to be an ACC contender once Sklar graduates. With that said, I'm very excited about Leah Meyer coming in next year. I'm not sure where Nagel will choose to play her, but she can crush the ball from anywhere on the court although she may be most comfortable in the middle ( ). She, along with the return of a healthy Deichmeister, will help Duke replace the production of Obeime and Williams from last year. 1) Campbell was unhappy with playing time as she was injured her sophomore year and coach held her out longer than Campbell wanted. 2) Nwaeze did not de commit, she didn't make grades to get into Duke. 3) Deichmeister is back for her 5th year so that will help. I don't know that much about Meyer but they sure could use her as another pin hitter and Atkinson will be back after missing the end of the year with an injury. Both middles coming back with another year of experience. Karelov at Libero and Sklar all the way around, will be interesting...
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Post by mizunoman on Mar 3, 2015 22:55:40 GMT -5
[/quote]1) Campbell was unhappy with playing time as she was injured her sophomore year and coach held her out longer than Campbell wanted. 2) Nwaeze did not de commit, she didn't make grades to get into Duke. 3) Deichmeister is back for her 5th year so that will help.[/quote]
Also heard that Campbell felt she could be an impact player in and wanted to play at a higher level conference...
Yes, Nwaeze did not have the grades, and I'm surprised that no one brought this idea of grades up sooner when comparing Duke with UNC and FSU. I cannot say for sure, but I would think that all three programs have "slots" that they can utilize for athletes who don't make the grades exactly (I'm not trying to slam any of the programs or question the integrity of the institutions academically), but I would think that the academic level of "a not making the academic cut" kid at UNC and FSU would be lower than the academic level of a Duke kid who didn't make the academic cut based on the more rigorous academic reputation that Duke has.
I can imagine that it is neither easy nor an exact science to get...
(1) top national recruits who are smart enough to get into Duke but not SO smart that they don't have academically preferred Ivy League scholarship options (2) top national recruits who have the grades to get into Duke but who are also willing to commit to 4 years of continued rigorous academics which will most likely take away (even if ever-so-slightly) some time and focus from the "volleyball portion" of their college experience
So Duke recruiting has to find kids who are really good players who are smart but not TOO smart and are willing to commit to a high academic challenge for their four years of college...
Is their problem isolated? No. Every college coach faces the challenge of finding their recruiting niche and marketing and manipulating it. Duke's problem is, however, quite unique considering its level of academics and level of division 1 competition.
I'm sure many will want to offer examples to negate some point or another that I've made, but I am just trying to imagine that Duke recruiting can't be a simple recipe for any sport...volleyball included.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 3, 2015 23:08:59 GMT -5
Well I think Stanford has done quite well, and their academic requirements are a bit higher. I do agree though that some schools maintain their academic integrity to the letter while other may bend a bit.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 4, 2015 0:16:23 GMT -5
Well I think Stanford has done quite well, and their academic requirements are a bit higher. I do agree though that some schools maintain their academic integrity to the letter while other may bend a bit. are you saying their admission requirements for student athlets are higher, or the general public?
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 0:23:50 GMT -5
Well I think Stanford has done quite well, and their academic requirements are a bit higher. I do agree though that some schools maintain their academic integrity to the letter while other may bend a bit. are you saying their admission requirements for student athlets are higher, or the general public? I am saying Stanford's academic requirements for acceptance are a little bit higher than Duke's and Stanford has done well getting top prospects. This is not taking anything away from Duke because they are a nationally respected university.
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Post by vballdad1 on Mar 4, 2015 0:51:05 GMT -5
are you saying their admission requirements for student athlets are higher, or the general public? I am saying Stanford's academic requirements for acceptance are a little bit higher than Duke's and Stanford has done well getting top prospects. This is not taking anything away from Duke because they are a nationally respected university. I wouldn't be so sure about that
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Post by bkedane on Mar 4, 2015 9:08:47 GMT -5
are you saying their admission requirements for student athlets are higher, or the general public? I am saying Stanford's academic requirements for acceptance are a little bit higher than Duke's and Stanford has done well getting top prospects. This is not taking anything away from Duke because they are a nationally respected university. This doesn't answer the question. The answer is that the qualifications for those admitted is a little higher. But the qualification for admitted student-athletes is not higher.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 16:08:20 GMT -5
Duke has consistently been a front-runner in the ACC. After many years of uphill battle, UNC has arrived (as an ACC power). FSU is the team to catch. Lots of crazy things going on there, an for now - it all seems to be working.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 16:49:33 GMT -5
As long as Duke can stay in the hunt with UNC & FSU, and one or two more teams in ACC can turn the corner (Miami needs to be more consistent) the ACC will move ahead of the SEC and Big XII alone as the #3 conference for number of quality teams.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 17:06:52 GMT -5
Serious question... Isn't Duke the Stanford of the East? And would other PU's consider a degree from Duke or Stanford to be on the same level as the Ivy's? Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Mar 4, 2015 21:35:57 GMT -5
Serious question... Isn't Duke the Stanford of the East? And would other PU's consider a degree from Duke or Stanford to be on the same level as the Ivy's? Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
You are pretty far off the mark. I'm currently applying for colleges and Duke is consistently rated above half the Ivy League and features the best business school in the country. After the top tier of HYP and Stanford, Duke jostles around with UChicago, MIT and the rest of the Ivy schools for top ten spots. Berkeley is a public school, much larger, and better compared to Michigan and Virginia.
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